FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-08 Thread Helen Borrie
At 11:42 PM 7/07/2011, Fred Ridder wrote:
>I think you are runnign up against one of FrameMaker's undocumented features. 
> 
>When you generate a PDF, FrameMaker passes bookmark data to Acrobat for all 
>the tag names that are set in the book file's PDF Setup, *plus* data for any 
>additional tags in a specific chapter if that chapter's file-level PDF Setup. 
>This behavior has been this way for a while--at least since FrameMaker 6 and 
>Acrobat 6, which was the first time I came up against it--and was apparently 
>done as a feature (although it is completely undocumented). 
> 
>If you look at the PDF Setup for the TOC file, I am certain you will see all 
>of the ...TOC styles in the "Include" list box on the Bookmarks tab. Just move 
>them to the "Don't Include" list and then save the TOC file with these 
>changes. When you next make the PDF, the TOC entries should be gone from the 
>bookmarks list.

Indeed, indeed!  Thanks to all who helped out with this - I had totally 
forgotten about the document-level settings.

Cheers,
Helen



FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Helen Borrie
Hello List,

I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8.  I'm trying to 
build a sub-book at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a front 
page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order.  Bookmarks generation 
is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific include list of 
paragraph types.  The types defined for the TOC are not in that include list.

Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very 
tight and strictly hierarchical,  because this content will eventually be 
converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they are 
preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page. 

There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it 
contains one para format that is in the include list.

How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?

TIA,
Helen

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RE: FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Helen,

Take a look at this blog post for a possible solution:

http://frameautomation.com/2010/09/09/setting-acrobat-bookmarks-for-a-book/

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com


Hello List,

I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8.  I'm trying
to build a sub-book at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a
front page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order.  Bookmarks
generation is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific
include list of paragraph types.  The types defined for the TOC are not in
that include list.

Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very
tight and strictly hierarchical,  because this content will eventually be
converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they
are preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page.


There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it
contains one para format that is in the include list.

How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?

TIA,
Helen


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RE: FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Fred Ridder

I think you are runnign up against one of FrameMaker's undocumented features. 
 
When you generate a PDF, FrameMaker passes bookmark data to Acrobat for all the 
tag names that are set in the book file's PDF Setup, *plus* data for any 
additional tags in a specific chapter if that chapter's file-level PDF Setup. 
This behavior has been this way for a while--at least since FrameMaker 6 and 
Acrobat 6, which was the first time I came up against it--and was apparently 
done as a feature (although it is completely undocumented). 
 
If you look at the PDF Setup for the TOC file, I am certain you will see all of 
the ...TOC styles in the Include list box on the Bookmarks tab. Just move 
them to the Don't Include list and then save the TOC file with these changes. 
When you next make the PDF, the TOC entries should be gone from the bookmarks 
list.
 
At my previous employer I actually used this undocumented feature to improve 
the usability of the bookmarks in a handful of our documents that had atypical 
organizations. The book-level PDF Setup include the bookmarks to be picked up 
from *every* chapter, but a couple of chapters had additional, specialized tags 
identified in their book-level PDF Setup. 
 
The annoying thing is that under some set of circumstances I've never 
identified (because it is pretty rare), FrameMaker spontaneously adds a bunch 
of errant tags to the PDF Setup bookmarks list for some specific file, like the 
...TOC tags in your TOC file. Unless you know the cause you'll spend many hours 
trying to get the bookmarks to behave (or deleting the errant ones from the PDF 
each itme you publish). But now you know...
 
-Fred Ridder

 

 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:11:15 +1200
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: hele...@iinet.net.au
 Subject: FM8: Bookmarks problem
 
 Hello List,
 
 I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8. I'm trying to 
 build a sub-book at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a front 
 page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order. Bookmarks generation 
 is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific include list of 
 paragraph types. The types defined for the TOC are not in that include list.
 
 Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very 
 tight and strictly hierarchical, because this content will eventually be 
 converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they 
 are preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page. 
 
 There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it 
 contains one para format that is in the include list.
 
 How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?
 
 TIA,
 Helen
 
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RE: FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Helen Borrie
At 11:42 PM 7/07/2011, Fred Ridder wrote:
I think you are runnign up against one of FrameMaker's undocumented features. 
 
When you generate a PDF, FrameMaker passes bookmark data to Acrobat for all 
the tag names that are set in the book file's PDF Setup, *plus* data for any 
additional tags in a specific chapter if that chapter's file-level PDF Setup. 
This behavior has been this way for a while--at least since FrameMaker 6 and 
Acrobat 6, which was the first time I came up against it--and was apparently 
done as a feature (although it is completely undocumented). 
 
If you look at the PDF Setup for the TOC file, I am certain you will see all 
of the ...TOC styles in the Include list box on the Bookmarks tab. Just move 
them to the Don't Include list and then save the TOC file with these 
changes. When you next make the PDF, the TOC entries should be gone from the 
bookmarks list.

Indeed, indeed!  Thanks to all who helped out with this - I had totally 
forgotten about the document-level settings.

Cheers,
Helen

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FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Helen Borrie
Hello List,

I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8.  I'm trying to 
build a "sub-book" at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a front 
page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order.  Bookmarks generation 
is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific include list of 
paragraph types.  The types defined for the TOC are not in that include list.

Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very 
tight and strictly hierarchical,  because this content will eventually be 
converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they are 
preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page. 

There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it 
contains one para format that is in the include list.

How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?

TIA,
Helen



FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Helen,

Take a look at this blog post for a possible solution:

http://frameautomation.com/2010/09/09/setting-acrobat-bookmarks-for-a-book/

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com


Hello List,

I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8.  I'm trying
to build a "sub-book" at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a
front page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order.  Bookmarks
generation is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific
include list of paragraph types.  The types defined for the TOC are not in
that include list.

Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very
tight and strictly hierarchical,  because this content will eventually be
converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they
are preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page.


There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it
contains one para format that is in the include list.

How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?

TIA,
Helen




FM8: Bookmarks problem

2011-07-07 Thread Fred Ridder

I think you are runnign up against one of FrameMaker's undocumented features. 

When you generate a PDF, FrameMaker passes bookmark data to Acrobat for all the 
tag names that are set in the book file's PDF Setup, *plus* data for any 
additional tags in a specific chapter if that chapter's file-level PDF Setup. 
This behavior has been this way for a while--at least since FrameMaker 6 and 
Acrobat 6, which was the first time I came up against it--and was apparently 
done as a feature (although it is completely undocumented). 

If you look at the PDF Setup for the TOC file, I am certain you will see all of 
the ...TOC styles in the "Include" list box on the Bookmarks tab. Just move 
them to the "Don't Include" list and then save the TOC file with these changes. 
When you next make the PDF, the TOC entries should be gone from the bookmarks 
list.

At my previous employer I actually used this undocumented feature to improve 
the usability of the bookmarks in a handful of our documents that had atypical 
organizations. The book-level PDF Setup include the bookmarks to be picked up 
from *every* chapter, but a couple of chapters had additional, specialized tags 
identified in their book-level PDF Setup. 

The annoying thing is that under some set of circumstances I've never 
identified (because it is pretty rare), FrameMaker spontaneously adds a bunch 
of errant tags to the PDF Setup bookmarks list for some specific file, like the 
...TOC tags in your TOC file. Unless you know the cause you'll spend many hours 
trying to get the bookmarks to behave (or deleting the errant ones from the PDF 
each itme you publish). But now you know...

-Fred Ridder



> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 20:11:15 +1200
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: helebor at iinet.net.au
> Subject: FM8: Bookmarks problem
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I'm having a problem with PDF generation from unstructured FM8. I'm trying to 
> build a "sub-book" at the moment for tech reviewers, consisting of a front 
> page, a generated TOC and five chapters, in that order. Bookmarks generation 
> is selected and it is set up to make bookmarks for a specific include list of 
> paragraph types. The types defined for the TOC are not in that include list.
> 
> Although the book itself is in unstructured FM, the book structure is very 
> tight and strictly hierarchical, because this content will eventually be 
> converted to structured. The bookmarks for the chapters are fine, but they 
> are preceded by bookmarks for every entry in the TOC and for the front page. 
> 
> There is also a bookmark for the front page, which I do understand, since it 
> contains one para format that is in the include list.
> 
> How can I suppress this bookmarking of the TOC entries, please?
> 
> TIA,
> Helen
> 
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