Grouping Definitions

2007-01-08 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com 
As well as grouping para and char tags alphabetically by beginning their 
names with their general class and adding a specific suffix (e.g. 
"HeadingChapter", "HeadingSection", etc.) may I suggest that you prefix 
them with short codes to quickly apply them from the keyboard.

Thus "HeadingChapter" might become "hc_HeadingChapter", "HeadingSection" 
might become "hs_HeadingSection", etc. to be readily applied by typing 
Ctrl-9, typing 'hc' or whatever, then pressing Enter.  Char formats can be 
named similarly.  So can variables (insert with Ctrl-0) and conditional 
formats (Ctrl-4 apply, Ctrl-5 remove specific format (handy when several 
formats are overlapped).  I would not create some char formats by meaning, 
particularly emphasis, unless you use the same formats for different 
languages where different conventions apply.  Are you really going to 
create an essentially italic format for 'Emphasis', 'ShipNames', 
'BookTitles', 'OperaTitles', etc. and all the other usages where italic is 
applied by convention.  Probably not.

Try naming cross-references by a name that reflects their purpose and 
appearance in the text, e.g. 'Chapter_99,_"Title",_on_page_99', 
'Step_9_in_"Heading"_on_page_99', etc. as you can't specify xrefs from the 
keyboard.

Why all the underscores?  Some third-party tools don't like spaces in 
format names or require awkward workarounds to handle them.  So plan for 
the future and don't use spaces in format names.  Ever.

--
Hedley Finger
Training Content Developer and Tools Specialist
MYOB Australia Pty Ltd 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

? MYOB Technology Pty Ltd 2007

Re: Grouping Definitions

2007-01-07 Thread hedley . finger 
Erp, sorry for repeating the advice about meaningful, names, grouping by 
alpha ordering, and prefixing keyboard shortcut codes.  Shoulda read all 
the other posts on this topic before polluting the bandwidth.  (Although I 
do like to think that I pioneered the use of shortcut prefixes ...)

Hedley

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MYOB Australia Pty Ltd http://myob.com/au
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia
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Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread MATT TODD 
Hi, everyone,

I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character
definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character
Definition window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a Size
folder and all color definitions in a Color folder, and I'd like those
folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.
I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles
having to do with tables in a Table folder, all styles defining
numbered, lettered, or bulleted lists in a Lists folder - and those
folders to appear in the Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way,
I'm the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin
Chautauqua.

Matt

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RE: Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Diane Gaskill 
Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.

As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to
name them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty
standard examples:

BodyText

Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
Bullet2
Bullet3

Heading1
Heading2
Heading3
Heading4
Heading5

Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
Indent2
Indent3

Numbered1 n=1 starts a list
Numbered2 n+ (continued numbering)
Numbereda a=1(2nd level, lettered list)
Numberedb a+(2nd level, lettered list, continued)
There are several ways to set up autonumbering, this is a simple method)

TableBullet1
TableBullet2
TableHeading
TableText
TableTitle

In addition, to facilitate keyboard shortcuts, you can add a prefix in front
of the tag names, like this:

bo Body
b1 Bullet1
h1 Heading1
i1 Indent1
n1 Numbered1
n2 Numbered2
na Numbereda
nb Numberedb


That way, you will neve have to scroll through even a small group of tags.
You get the right one the first time. Note that you do not need to have a
space between the prefix and the tag name.  You can also use underscores if
you want to.  For example, b1 Bullet1, b1Bullet1, and b1_bullet1 all work
the same way.

To use the keyboard shortcut, Press F9, type the prefix, and press Enter.

Organize your character tags the same way.  Press F8 by itself to set the
default paragraph font.  Press F8, enter the char tag prefix, and then press
Enter to use the shortcut.

Name variable names and conditional text tags the same way.  You need to do
a little planning to set this up, but in the long run it can save you a lot
of time.

Hope this helps.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems


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Hi, everyone,

I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character
definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character
Definition window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a Size
folder and all color definitions in a Color folder, and I'd like those
folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.
I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles
having to do with tables in a Table folder, all styles defining
numbered, lettered, or bulleted lists in a Lists folder - and those
folders to appear in the Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way,
I'm the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin
Chautauqua.

Matt

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RE: Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Kaye Bonney 
Matt,

If you want to apply tags using the keyboard accelerators F8 and F9, give each 
tag a unique prefix such as b1 bullet1, b2 bullet 2, h1 head1, h2 head2, etc., 
then you can just hit F9 b1 ENTER to apply the first bullet tag to your 
paragraph. Use F8 for character tags.

Kaye Bonney
Oracle 

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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:33 AM
To: MATT TODD; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions

Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.

As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to name 
them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty 
standard examples:

BodyText

Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
Bullet2
Bullet3

Heading1
Heading2
Heading3
Heading4
Heading5

Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
Indent2
Indent3

Numbered1 n=1 starts a list
Numbered2 n+ (continued numbering)
Numbereda a=1(2nd level, lettered list) Numberedb a+(2nd level, lettered 
list, continued) There are several ways to set up autonumbering, this is a 
simple method)

TableBullet1
TableBullet2
TableHeading
TableText
TableTitle

In addition, to facilitate keyboard shortcuts, you can add a prefix in front of 
the tag names, like this:

bo Body
b1 Bullet1
h1 Heading1
i1 Indent1
n1 Numbered1
n2 Numbered2
na Numbereda
nb Numberedb


That way, you will neve have to scroll through even a small group of tags.
You get the right one the first time. Note that you do not need to have a space 
between the prefix and the tag name.  You can also use underscores if you want 
to.  For example, b1 Bullet1, b1Bullet1, and b1_bullet1 all work the same way.

To use the keyboard shortcut, Press F9, type the prefix, and press Enter.

Organize your character tags the same way.  Press F8 by itself to set the 
default paragraph font.  Press F8, enter the char tag prefix, and then press 
Enter to use the shortcut.

Name variable names and conditional text tags the same way.  You need to do a 
little planning to set this up, but in the long run it can save you a lot of 
time.

Hope this helps.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems


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Hi, everyone,

I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character 
definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character Definition 
window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a Size
folder and all color definitions in a Color folder, and I'd like those 
folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.
I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles having 
to do with tables in a Table folder, all styles defining numbered, lettered, 
or bulleted lists in a Lists folder - and those folders to appear in the 
Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way, I'm 
the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin Chautauqua.

Matt

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RE: Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Diane Gaskill 
Exactly.  I mentioned that a little further down my message. Same with F8 for 
char tags.
Diane

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Sent: Jan 5, 2007 12:51 PM
To: MATT TODD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions

Matt,

If you want to apply tags using the keyboard accelerators F8 and F9, give each 
tag a unique prefix such as b1 bullet1, b2 bullet 2, h1 head1, h2 head2, etc., 
then you can just hit F9 b1 ENTER to apply the first bullet tag to your 
paragraph. Use F8 for character tags.

Kaye Bonney
Oracle 

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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:33 AM
To: MATT TODD; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions

Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.

As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to name 
them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty 
standard examples:

BodyText

Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
Bullet2
Bullet3

Heading1
Heading2
Heading3
Heading4
Heading5

Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
Indent2
Indent3

Numbered1 n=1 starts a list
Numbered2 n+ (continued numbering)
Numbereda a=1(2nd level, lettered list) Numberedb a+(2nd level, lettered 
list, continued) There are several ways to set up autonumbering, this is a 
simple method)

TableBullet1
TableBullet2
TableHeading
TableText
TableTitle

In addition, to facilitate keyboard shortcuts, you can add a prefix in front 
of the tag names, like this:

bo Body
b1 Bullet1
h1 Heading1
i1 Indent1
n1 Numbered1
n2 Numbered2
na Numbereda
nb Numberedb


That way, you will neve have to scroll through even a small group of tags.
You get the right one the first time. Note that you do not need to have a 
space between the prefix and the tag name.  You can also use underscores if 
you want to.  For example, b1 Bullet1, b1Bullet1, and b1_bullet1 all work the 
same way.

To use the keyboard shortcut, Press F9, type the prefix, and press Enter.

Organize your character tags the same way.  Press F8 by itself to set the 
default paragraph font.  Press F8, enter the char tag prefix, and then press 
Enter to use the shortcut.

Name variable names and conditional text tags the same way.  You need to do a 
little planning to set this up, but in the long run it can save you a lot of 
time.

Hope this helps.

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems


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Subject: Grouping Definitions


Hi, everyone,

I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character 
definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character Definition 
window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a Size
folder and all color definitions in a Color folder, and I'd like those 
folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.
I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles 
having to do with tables in a Table folder, all styles defining numbered, 
lettered, or bulleted lists in a Lists folder - and those folders to appear 
in the Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way, I'm 
the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin Chautauqua.

Matt

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Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread MATT TODD 
Hi, everyone,

I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character
definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character
Definition window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a "Size"
folder and all color definitions in a "Color" folder, and I'd like those
folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.
I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles
having to do with tables in a "Table" folder, all styles defining
numbered, lettered, or bulleted lists in a "Lists" folder - and those
folders to appear in the Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way,
I'm the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin
Chautauqua.

Matt

Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Art Campbell 
There is no grouping tool, but it's easy to use the same prefix on tag
names so tags with the same purpose (adjusting size, color, etc.) are
grouped by the default alphabetic listing.

Art

On 1/5/07, MATT TODD  wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character
> definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character
> Definition window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a "Size"
> folder and all color definitions in a "Color" folder, and I'd like those
> folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection pop-up.

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Charles Beck 
This is how I've always done it, too.

Chuck


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Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:18 PM
To: MATT TODD
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Grouping Definitions

There is no grouping tool, but it's easy to use the same prefix on tag
names so tags with the same purpose (adjusting size, color, etc.) are
grouped by the default alphabetic listing.

Art

On 1/5/07, MATT TODD  wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I am a newbie using FM 7.0. Does FM provide a way to group character 
> definitions or paragraph styles. For example, in the Character 
> Definition window, I'd like to place all size definitions in a "Size"
> folder and all color definitions in a "Color" folder, and I'd like 
> those folders to appear in the Character Definition window selection
pop-up.

-- 
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art.campbell at gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 09:19 -0500 5/1/07, MATT TODD wrote:

>I am a newbie using FM 7.0.

Welcome to the Great Big Adventure ;-)

>Does FM provide a way to group character definitions or paragraph styles. For 
>example, in the Character Definition window, I'd like to place all size 
>definitions in a "Size" folder and all color definitions in a "Color" folder, 
>and I'd like those folders to appear in the Character Definition window 
>selection pop-up.

No: all tag definitions that you define in the Paragraph or Character Designer 
are listed alphabetically in the Paragraph and Character palettes. However, it 
makes sense to use similar names to collect related tag names together, for 
example by called the first and subsequent paragraph tags for a numbered list 
'Numbered1' and 'Numbered', rather than, say, 'FirstNumbered' and 'Numbered', 
which would separate them in the tag list.

Tags whose names start with '~' appear at the bottom of the list. I use this 
convention to signal tags that aren't meant to be selected by users, but which 
are part of some internal mechanisation. However, this really only applies to 
environments where FrameMaker tags are applied automatically, such as 
structured FrameMaker and - I guess - FrameScript.

However, your question may expose a misunderstanding in how tag names are, or 
ideally should be, used. Because you may decide to restyle a tag, it's best to 
name them according to their purpose and not their function. For example, don't 
call a paragraph tag '10 point Bookman', for example, but call it 'Body'. That 
way it still has a sensible name even if you decide not to use Bookman. 
Similarly, a character tag for emphasising text can be called 'Emphasis' and 
not 'Italic'. (If I've misinterpreted what you wrote, just ignore this 
paragraph.)

> I'd like the same thing in the Paragraph Designer - all paragraph styles 
> having to do with tables in a "Table" folder, all styles defining numbered, 
> lettered, or bulleted lists in a "Lists" folder - and those folders to appear 
> in the Paragraph Designer selection pop-up.

It is remotely possible that a plug-in might exist to do this, but I don't know 
of one. I also cannot see what advantage it would give you, but what do I know? 
Certainly the ergonomics of the designer dialogs are sub-optimal, but we all 
know that.

>Anyway to accomplish this in native FM, or perhaps a script? By the way, I'm 
>the same Matt who won the LavaCon registration at the 2006 Austin Chautauqua.

Well done.

-- 
Steve

Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Diane Gaskill 
Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.

As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to
name them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty
standard examples:

BodyText

Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
Bullet2
Bullet3

Heading1
Heading2
Heading3
Heading4
Heading5

Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
Indent2
Indent3

Numbered1

Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Kaye Bonney 
Matt,

If you want to apply tags using the keyboard accelerators F8 and F9, give each 
tag a unique prefix such as b1 bullet1, b2 bullet 2, h1 head1, h2 head2, etc., 
then you can just hit F9 b1 ENTER to apply the first bullet tag to your 
paragraph. Use F8 for character tags.

Kaye Bonney
Oracle 

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From: framers-bounces+kaye.bonney=oracle.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+kaye.bonney=oracle@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:33 AM
To: MATT TODD; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions

Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.

As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to name 
them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty 
standard examples:

BodyText

Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
Bullet2
Bullet3

Heading1
Heading2
Heading3
Heading4
Heading5

Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
Indent2
Indent3

Numbered1

Grouping Definitions

2007-01-05 Thread Diane Gaskill 
Exactly.  I mentioned that a little further down my message. Same with F8 for 
char tags.
Diane

-Original Message-
>From: Kaye Bonney 
>Sent: Jan 5, 2007 12:51 PM
>To: MATT TODD 
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
>Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions
>
>Matt,
>
>If you want to apply tags using the keyboard accelerators F8 and F9, give each 
>tag a unique prefix such as b1 bullet1, b2 bullet 2, h1 head1, h2 head2, etc., 
>then you can just hit F9 b1 ENTER to apply the first bullet tag to your 
>paragraph. Use F8 for character tags.
>
>Kaye Bonney
>Oracle 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+kaye.bonney=oracle.com at lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-bounces+kaye.bonney=oracle.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
>Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
>Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:33 AM
>To: MATT TODD; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Grouping Definitions
>
>Hello Matt and welcome to the world of FM.
>
>As far as I know, FM cannot do this for you.  To group tags, you need to name 
>them so that they fall into groups by themselves.  Here are some pretty 
>standard examples:
>
>BodyText
>
>Bullet1 (the number referS to the level)
>Bullet2
>Bullet3
>
>Heading1
>Heading2
>Heading3
>Heading4
>Heading5
>
>Indent1 (matches the level of Bullet1, Numbered1, etc.)
>Indent2
>Indent3
>
>Numbered1