At 18:31 -0400 30/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The
Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from
Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8
you will get a LOT
At 18:31 -0400 30/4/08, wrote:
>One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The
>Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from
>Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8
>you will get a LOT of use out of
Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:30 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Lester C. Smalley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve
Rickaby
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-)
Rene L. Stephenson
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From
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> Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:00:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
>
>> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the
>> Frame
>> 5 manual was the last to be
>> produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote:
If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy
it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it
clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about
master pages; reference pages; generating
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:
The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow,
but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an
avocation or a full-time effort. My
AM
Subject: RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker
We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing
to the misuse and misunderstanding of learning curve?
A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of knowledge (Y
axis) in a short period of time (X axis). Something
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve
Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the
author].
Cheers!
...scott
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea.
Deirdre
Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame
5 manual was the last to be
produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is
a lot better than the current
offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.)
The FrameMaker 8 manual is
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame
5 manual was the last to be
produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is
a lot better than the current
offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8
Search the Web for generative understanding and generative learning.
The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning
curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It charts
very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment.
Generative understanding
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation.
Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2)
I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion.
3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that
meaning doesn't take
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message.
*pleeebt*
Deirdre
/rant
On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation.
Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2)
I was using an
The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no
hard copy is included or sold
separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and
bind yourself, but sheesh. It's
over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking
about sending it
So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either?
Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away
from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe
programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times
when I've
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote:
>If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy
>it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it
>clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about
>master pages; reference pages;
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com
On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote:
> The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow,
> but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an
> avocation or a full-ti
We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing
to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"?
A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of knowledge (Y
axis) in a short period of time (X axis). Something that takes a long
time to learn has a
;
project files. ;-)
ONWARD! :-)
Rene L. Stephenson
- Original Message
From: Scott White <swh...@alamark.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:08:57 AM
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
I found the Framemaker manual to be very co
rameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:57:35 AM
Subject: RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker
We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing
to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"?
A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots o
Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea.
Deirdre
On 4/30/08, Combs, Richard wrote:
> We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing
> to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"?
>
> A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve
Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the
author].
Cheers!
...scott
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea.
>
> Deirdre
> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame
> 5 manual was the last to be
> produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is
> a lot better than the current
> offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.)
The FrameMaker 8
arning curve for FrameMaker
> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame
> 5 manual was the last to be
> produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is
> a lot better than the current
> offering (although I've not seen
Search the Web for "generative understanding" and "generative learning."
The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning
curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It "charts"
very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment.
Generative
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation.
Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2)
I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion.
3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that
meaning doesn't take
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message.
*pleeebt*
Deirdre
/rant
On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation.
>
> Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2)
> I was using an expression -- an
>>The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no
>>hard copy is included or sold
>>separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and
>>bind yourself, but sheesh. It's
>>over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking
One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The
Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from
Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8
you will get a LOT of use out of this one.
Z
Mike Wickham
> > So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either?
>
> Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away
> from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe
> programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times
> when
-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:30 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Lester C. Smalley; framers at frameusers.com; Steve
Rickaby
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-)
Rene L
@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are
these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy and
use with the program. I think I am understanding their purpose
correctly. The equivalent
Hi David,
In my opinion, itt should not take you more than a month to be hands on.
Thanks
Debashish
On 4/29/08, Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)
wrote:
>
> Listers:
>
> I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any
> experiences or information you can share
Hi David:
I'm in the same situation as you. I'm well versed in Word, and have
just started learning FrameMaker. I've been working with someone
else's FrameMaker templates for four months now. The learning curve
for me is fairly steep, but mostly because FrameMaker is conceptually
different
ounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
> Sent: 2008-04-29 08:25
> To: Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
>
> Hi David:
>
> I'
At 08:25 -0500 29/4/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>So, for me, the curve is fairly steep. For what it's worth, I'm now
>(four months into it) considered the office expert, even though three
>other people have been using it longer than I have.
Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's book 'FrameMaker 7:
Ditto that! Excellent resource.
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:41 AM
To: Deirdre Reagan
Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: Learning curve
> FrameMaker isn't very intuitive and consists of many layers (body
> pages, master pages, and reference pages, for instance) to make even
> the simplest document function.
Word isn't intuitive either. No software is. "Familiar" is a more accurate term.
If you've developed running headers and
If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy
it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it
clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about
master pages; reference pages; generating and formatting Tables of
Contents, Indices, Lists
Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are
these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy and
use with the program. I think I am understanding their purpose
correctly. The equivalent of a macro in Word, I believe. Anyway,
there are loads of them and
at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:09 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are
these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy
s.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:09 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker
>
> Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons --
The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow,
but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an
avocation or a full-time effort. My recommendations:
1. Go for it with intensity and determination; dabbling won't work.
2. Get the previously recommended
Listers:
I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any
experiences or information you can share will be appreciated.
I've focused largely on MS Word for the past fifteen years of my career,
and have become quite adept at designing templates for technical
publications.
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