Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-05-15 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:31 -0400 30/4/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8 you will get a LOT

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-05-15 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:31 -0400 30/4/08, wrote: >One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The >Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from >Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8 >you will get a LOT of use out of

RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-05-01 Thread McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:30 PM To: Mike Wickham; Lester C. Smalley; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Rickaby Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-05-01 Thread Mollye Barrett
.com; > Steve Rickaby > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:00:10 PM > Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker > >> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the >> Frame >> 5 manual was the last to be >> produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp

RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote: If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about master pages; reference pages; generating

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott White
Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow, but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an avocation or a full-time effort. My

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
AM Subject: RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing to the misuse and misunderstanding of learning curve? A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of knowledge (Y axis) in a short period of time (X axis). Something

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the author]. Cheers! ...scott Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. Deirdre

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame 5 manual was the last to be produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is a lot better than the current offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.) The FrameMaker 8 manual is

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame 5 manual was the last to be produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is a lot better than the current offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
Search the Web for generative understanding and generative learning. The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It charts very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment. Generative understanding

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion. 3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that meaning doesn't take

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message. *pleeebt* Deirdre /rant On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no hard copy is included or sold separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and bind yourself, but sheesh. It's over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking about sending it

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either? Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times when I've

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:00 -0400 29/4/08, Lester C. Smalley wrote: >If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy >it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it >clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about >master pages; reference pages;

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott White
Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer wrote: > The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow, > but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an > avocation or a full-ti

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Combs, Richard
We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"? A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of knowledge (Y axis) in a short period of time (X axis). Something that takes a long time to learn has a

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
; project files. ;-) ONWARD! :-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Scott White <swh...@alamark.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:08:57 AM Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker I found the Framemaker manual to be very co

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
rameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:57:35 AM Subject: RE: Learning curve for FrameMaker We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"? A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots o

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. Deirdre On 4/30/08, Combs, Richard wrote: > We're professional communicators, right? Can we please stop contributing > to the misuse and misunderstanding of "learning curve"? > > A steep learning curve is one on which you acquire lots of

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Scott Prentice
As usual .. an interesting writeup on this in Wikipedia .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve Apparently there is some disagreement over this one [according to the author]. Cheers! ...scott Deirdre Reagan wrote: > Thank you for that lesson, Richard. I had no idea. > > Deirdre

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
> Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame > 5 manual was the last to be > produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is > a lot better than the current > offering (although I've not seen a FrameMaker 8 manual.) The FrameMaker 8

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
arning curve for FrameMaker > Lester omits to mention what will be known to many here - that the Frame > 5 manual was the last to be > produced by the tech authors at Frame Corp. I have a copy, and yes, it is > a lot better than the current > offering (although I've not seen

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
Search the Web for "generative understanding" and "generative learning." The problem with the common time vs. attempts vs. progress learning curve model is that it's applied to a single simple task. It "charts" very well, but it's not a reliable model outside a lab experiment. Generative

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) I was using an expression -- an idiom! -- to articulate my opinion. 3) While curves and charts and graphs do have technical meaning, that meaning doesn't take

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Deirdre Reagan
ps I forgot to stick out my tongue at the end of that message. *pleeebt* Deirdre /rant On 4/30/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: > And I think we've reached the other end of this conversation. > > Ok, pretty sure that 1) I wasn't talking about charts and graphs. 2) > I was using an expression -- an

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Mike Wickham
>>The FrameMaker 8 manual is worse, because there isn't one-- at least, no >>hard copy is included or sold >>separately. Adobe does include a file on the CD that you can print and >>bind yourself, but sheesh. It's >>over 1000 pages and awkward to print and bind in an office. I'm thinking

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread azdunc...@triad.rr.com
One of the best books for FrameMaker that I have in my collection is: The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas Neuburger. You can order this from Amazon or http://www.twelfthnight.com/. Even though it does not cover 7 or 8 you will get a LOT of use out of this one. Z Mike Wickham

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread Peter Gold
> > So there is no proper hyperlinked online guide either? > > Yes, there's online help, but it's nice to have a book you can read away > from the computer. Also, the help files that come with various Adobe > programs are not (in my opinion) well done. There have been countless times > when

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-30 Thread McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)
-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene Stephenson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:30 PM To: Mike Wickham; Lester C. Smalley; framers at frameusers.com; Steve Rickaby Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker Maybe the should outsource the manual to someone on this list. ;-) Rene L

Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Scott Prentice
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy and use with the program. I think I am understanding their purpose correctly. The equivalent

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Deb
Hi David, In my opinion, itt should not take you more than a month to be hands on. Thanks Debashish On 4/29/08, Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security) wrote: > > Listers: > > I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any > experiences or information you can share

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi David: I'm in the same situation as you. I'm well versed in Word, and have just started learning FrameMaker. I've been working with someone else's FrameMaker templates for four months now. The learning curve for me is fairly steep, but mostly because FrameMaker is conceptually different

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Kelly McDaniel
ounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: 2008-04-29 08:25 > To: Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security) > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker > > Hi David: > > I'

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:25 -0500 29/4/08, Deirdre Reagan wrote: >So, for me, the curve is fairly steep. For what it's worth, I'm now >(four months into it) considered the office expert, even though three >other people have been using it longer than I have. Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's book 'FrameMaker 7:

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Pinkham, Jim
Ditto that! Excellent resource. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:41 AM To: Deirdre Reagan Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: Re: Learning curve

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Peter Gold
> FrameMaker isn't very intuitive and consists of many layers (body > pages, master pages, and reference pages, for instance) to make even > the simplest document function. Word isn't intuitive either. No software is. "Familiar" is a more accurate term. If you've developed running headers and

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Lester C. Smalley
If you can find a copy of FrameMaker 5 (e-bay, Craig's List, etc.) buy it for the manual; I still have the book (approx 700 pages) and it clearly explains a great deal of how Frame works: lots of info about master pages; reference pages; generating and formatting Tables of Contents, Indices, Lists

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy and use with the program. I think I am understanding their purpose correctly. The equivalent of a macro in Word, I believe. Anyway, there are loads of them and

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Linda G. Gallagher
at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:09 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons -- what are these called? Scripts that peope have written that you can buy

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Scott Prentice
s.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:09 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Learning curve for FrameMaker > > Also, one other thing: FrameMaker has a lot of add-ons --

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-29 Thread Dennis Brunnenmeyer
The learning curve for FrameMaker can be steep or relatively shallow, but it depends how how deep you involve yourself and whether its an avocation or a full-time effort. My recommendations: 1. Go for it with intensity and determination; dabbling won't work. 2. Get the previously recommended

Learning curve for FrameMaker

2008-04-28 Thread Chinell, David F (GE EntSol, Security)
Listers: I apologize in advance for asking an admittedly vague question, but any experiences or information you can share will be appreciated. I've focused largely on MS Word for the past fifteen years of my career, and have become quite adept at designing templates for technical publications.