RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-31 Thread Tammy Van Boening
never encountered any issues with it. TVB From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:56 PM To: Mike Cc: framers Subject: Re: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing

Re: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-30 Thread Mike
highlighting this use of that feature. Craig From: mhoff...@adobe.com To: i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:18:57 + Mike, You are correct. That was my post. The point I

RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-30 Thread Craig Ede
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:28:44 + Mike, I will verify the correct answer for you and post it here soon. Sorry that your Q didn’t get answered. We had well over 100 Qs between chat and the Q

RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-30 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
To: Craig Ede Cc: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers Subject: Re: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies My question was ignored many times during the webinar. Do the search enhancements include finding matches in included files? Currently, the only way I can search for strings

Re: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-30 Thread Roman Banks
From: Shlomo Perets shlo...@microtype.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; craig...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies I will demonstrate various techniques for marker management

Re: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-30 Thread Scott Prentice
By included files do you mean text insets? If so .. I don't believe that a search will find anything in an inset (certainly would be nice). Once way you can do that is to create a special book that you use for authoring, which is different than the one you use to create PDFs from. Add your

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't buy that at all. DITA has major costs that are not offset unless you have substantial opportunities for reuse and publish in multiple languages. There's no rational reason to spend money on low-value upgrades. Do a cost-benefit analysis and know what you're paying for. At one old job we

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor/features.html On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Bernard Gagne bernyga...@rogers.com wrote: That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author (which

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe also says it does not support DocBook: http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/framemakerxmlauthor/faq.html (see What is the difference ...) On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
8:41 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies I don't have the original message handy, but I think the original poster was saying that at least the last three FrameMaker releases have been on an 18-month cycle. We get a new version of FM every

search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Craig Ede
of that feature. Craig From: mhoff...@adobe.com To: i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:18:57 + Mike, You are correct. That was my post. The point I was making was that if you subscribe for 2

RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Shlomo Perets
://microtype.com From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM Subject: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com, framers framers@lists.frameusers.com I'm especially excited about the search

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-27 Thread Bernard Gagne
That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author (which should more appropriately be called FrameMaker DITA Author) is useless. Oxygen and XMetal have nothing to fear. Berny Gagne Senior Technical Writer Siemens Canada On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:28:02 AM,

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-27 Thread Mike Wickham
I don't have the original message handy, but I think the original poster was saying that at least the last three FrameMaker releases have been on an 18-month cycle. We get a new version of FM every year and a half. This was previously the case with Creative Suite software, too. Mike Wickham

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-27 Thread Scott Prentice
Hi Berny... FM XML Author should work fine for DocBook (as well as full FM12 does). Have you seen or heard different? ...scott On 1/24/14 6:24 AM, Bernard Gagne wrote: That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author (which should more appropriately be called

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-24 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hello Framers It has been interesting and entertaining to read the various posts about upgrades and pricing. Thanks to Syed for persisting with this. A few statements that have been made raised my eyebrows somewhat: "Three releases of FrameMaker in 18 months" - really? I must have missed two

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:28 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: The unhappy ones are probably the small users - like myself - who helped FrameMaker become what it is and Adobe *clearly* does not care about us anymore. That is unlike the founders of Frame Technology who I met many years

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
My guess is Adobe's goal in creating FrameMaker XML Author and pricing it at $400 is to eliminate the cost savings incentive for structured FrameMaker users to switch to Oxygen or XMetal instead of adding more FM seats. Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-23 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Do XML editors generally support conditional text and content reuse? Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 22-Jan-14 9:43 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: >> Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to >> compete with other XML editors

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Maxwell Hoffman said: For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So somebody out there is happy with Adobe. ;-) Perhaps. :) But, at what cost? The unhappy ones are probably the small

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:49 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Financial success by large companies is not the only measure of success that matters. It is why in my 35+ years of work, I have chosen to do many small startups and try to only work for small companies. My current startup

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Rick Quatro
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as successful as it is. In my

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Rick Quatro said: Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Maxwell Hoffman said: > For another viewpoint, Adobe was just named in the top 100 companies to work > for by Fortune. Our 2013 revenues considerably exceeded projections. So > "somebody" out there is happy with Adobe. ;-) Perhaps. :) But, at what cost? The unhappy ones are probably the small

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:49 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: >Financial success by large companies is not the only measure of success that >matters. It is why in my 35+ years of work, I have chosen to do many small >startups and try to only work for small companies. My current

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Rick Quatro
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as successful as it is. In my

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Rick Quatro said: > Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this > discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that > FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete > documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as

Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to > compete with other XML editors out there. The idea is fantastic, but the cost > needs to be around $100-150 a seat. A list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_XML_editors. Many licensed and free versions listed