7, 2006 2:57 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
>
> > I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead
> > of creating an override.
>
> Of course, IMO the ultimate redefinition sol
In documents that will endure and need to be updated, its always via
character styles
In throw-away docs (e.g. one-time memo, fax cover page...) I use both
named styles and ad hoc formatting: Control-B, Control-I, etc.,
depending on what is set up in the template.
In structured docs there are
, eh?
Rita Muller
Technical Writer
Morrow Technologies Corporation
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:14:34 -0500
From: Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
To: John Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc
John Wilcox wrote:
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please
reply off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week.
Thanks for your time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
Well,
If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a
tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM
interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting
if the tools for creating them simply aren't there. :-)
Being a manager and until
: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
Maybe we could start a new thread, the horrors of FM inline styles,
and how I survived the experience. ;-)
Might be fun, eh?
Might be. ;-)
Horrors:
* inability to globally update a document from
Bill Swallow wrote:
Being a manager and until recently a template
owner, I completely disagree. UI tweaks passively
hinder
misuse. Proper training and education for writers
actively
prevents misuse, and even initiates their own
investigation
into other ways to prevent needless headaches in
I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid
mistakes.
What a silly notion! ;-) LOL!!!
I totally agree with you, Joe.
If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality
documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those
standards
And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using
Frame, I was told in no uncertain terms to stay the heck away from the
toolbar. Fearing the wrath of the production guru, I complied. ;)
In conclusion, if you are a manager, don't fix the interface, simply
intimidate your
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Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:28 AM
To: Bill Swallow
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
Bill:
One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision
One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision.
Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other
properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy
to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these
methods:
Trust me... if you
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Intel
Parsippany, NJ
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Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
I've redefined over 60
malin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
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Of Andrew Becraft
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:40 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a
In documents that will endure and need to be updated, its always via
character styles
In "throw-away" docs (e.g. one-time memo, fax cover page...) I use both
named styles and ad hoc formatting: Control-B, Control-I, etc.,
depending on what is set up in the template.
In structured docs there are
I'm with Bill here, and it looks like 99% of the pollsters.
Character catalog. ALWAYS, and FOREVER.
> Maybe we could start a new thread, "the horrors of FM inline styles, and how
> I survived the experience." ;-)
>
> Might be fun, eh?
Might be. ;-)
Horrors:
* inability to globally update a document from a template (let's say
you need to change style based on rebranding)
* inability to get
John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please
> reply off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week.
> Thanks for your time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
Well,
At 9:25 am -0700 17/1/06, Combs, Richard wrote:
>If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a
>tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM
>interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting
...and Silicon Prairie's Paragraph
> If you're in charge of template compliance, and especially if you're a
> tech pubs manager, you might want to learn how to customize the FM
> interface -- it's much easier to avoid overrides and ad hoc formatting
> if the tools for creating them simply aren't there. :-)
Being a manager and
Bra-vo!
-Original Message-
I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead of
creating an override.
Bill Swallow wrote:
> Being a manager and until recently a template owner, I
> completely disagree. UI tweaks passively hinder misuse.
> Proper training and education for writers actively prevents
> misuse, and even initiates their own investigation into other
> ways to prevent needless
Swallow
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:44 AM
To: rmuller at morrowcorp.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
> Maybe we could start a new thread, "the horrors of FM inline styles,
> and how I survived the
> Bill Swallow wrote:
> > Being a manager and until recently a template
> owner, I completely disagree. UI tweaks passively
hinder
> misuse. Proper training and education for writers
actively
> prevents misuse, and even initiates their own
investigation
> into other ways to prevent needless
> I favor the idea that quality starts with designing the process to avoid
> mistakes.
What a silly notion! ;-) LOL!!!
I totally agree with you, Joe.
> If we agree that formatting standards for documents produce quality
> documents, then logically we should set up our tools so that those
>
Bill,
You're singing to the choir dude. ;-)
I planned out a global template for the long term. It's worked well for over
four years and some 100+ manuals so far. What you describe as "The benefits"
are exactly what I'm reaping as a result. It's a beautiful thing! Certainly
worth the little bit
Bill:
One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision.
Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other
properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy
to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these
methods:
* Save a
And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using
Frame, I was told in no uncertain terms to stay the heck away from the
toolbar. Fearing the wrath of the production guru, I complied. ;)
In conclusion, if you are a manager, don't fix the interface, simply
intimidate your
-
From: framers-bounces+stacydow=yahoo-inc@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+stacydow=yahoo-inc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:28 AM
To: Bill Swallow
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use
> One reason is to adjust text pagination, for final revision.
> Overriding keep-with, widow/orphan, start-position, and some other
> properties of paragraph formats may be necessary. However, it's easy
> to manage or restore original formatting by one or more of these
> methods:
Trust me... if
Now if Ron (of all people) could be intimidated into compliance, then
it *must* work! LOL!!!
Seriously though, you get more mileage from shared knowledge than from
systematic limitations.
On 1/17/06, Ron Miller wrote:
> And I'm a perfect example of this. As I wrote, when I started using
>
> I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead
> of creating an override.
Of course, IMO the ultimate redefinition solution is to redefine the
shortcuts so they apply character and/or paragraph formats. What
could be simpler than redefining CTRL+B to apply a bold character
om
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
> I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead
> of creating an override.
Of course, IMO the ultimate redefinition solution is to redefine the
shortcuts so they apply character and/or paragraph form
- Original Message -
From: "Doug" <dbailey4...@gmail.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
> I've redefined over 60 shortcuts so they open a catalog instead
> of creating an ove
, as attributes, Bold,
Emphasis (Italics), etc.
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Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics
Character catalog
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
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When I started using Frame a number of years ago, I was told in no
uncertain terms by the person who designed the template to stay away
from the Bold and Italic buttons. In fact, I was told to assume they
didn't exist.
So for me, at least, since I've kept that lesson with me always, it's B.
Hi, John.
John Wilcox wrote:
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
I
To: framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John Wilcox wrote:
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
time!
A. Click the B and I buttons
Press Ctrl+B Ctrl+I
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM
To: 'framers@lists.FrameUsers.com'
Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
This came up as a possible style
Character catalog. Always.
On 1/16/06, John Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
_
Regards,
To: 'framers at lists.FrameUsers.com'
Subject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B
Character catalog
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
> From: Spreadbury, David [mailto:david.spreadbury at tellabs.com]
> I must assume you are looking at Unstructured FrameMaker users.
Yes, Unstructed FM. I should have specified that. :)
jw
John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
> time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
Or:
C:
When I started using Frame a number of years ago, I was told in no
uncertain terms by the person who designed the template to stay away
from the Bold and Italic buttons. In fact, I was told to assume they
didn't exist.
So for me, at least, since I've kept that lesson with me always, it's B.
Hi, John.
John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog.
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To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John Wilcox w
ject: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
B. Select Bold and Emphasis
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Subject: Re: POLL: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your
> time!
>
> A. Click the B
Character catalog. Always.
On 1/16/06, John Wilcox wrote:
> This came up as a possible style standards issue here. Please reply
> off-list, and I'll summarize the results next week. Thanks for your time!
>
> A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I.
> B. Select Bold and Emphasis
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