RE: Missing registration marks
Oh, my goodness, Winfried!! IT WORKS!!! THANKS SO MUCH! Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:40 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Missing registration marks Hi, That's not fully correct. You can do either of the following: o Deactivate "Generate Acrobat Data" as Linda said. o Or you can have "Generate Acrobat Data" activated and set the margins to 0 in Acrobat in "Document | Crop Pages". This way you do not need to create 2 PDF files out of FrameMaker. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Linda G. Gallagher > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:16 PM > To: 'Fred Ridder'; pe...@knowhowpro.com > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > > I've not followed this whole thread, so maybe someone has > covered this, but > you also need to deselect the Generate Acrobat Data option in > the FM print > dialog. > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > RMIMA Membership Manager > www.RMIMA.org > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:18 AM > To: pe...@knowhowpro.com > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > > > Peter Gold wrote: > > > The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size > to display > > the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have > enough room > > for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. > > > Absolutely correct. But the paper size only needs to be 1" > larger in each > dimension than the page size. According to Linda's last post, > there should > be plenty of room. She reported a page size of 5.827" by 8.268" being > printed to letter-size paper, which is an oversize of 2.673" > in width and > 2.732" in height. So this doesn't look like the problem, either. > > > > -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bra...@hp.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/branam%40hp.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
Hi, That's not fully correct. You can do either of the following: o Deactivate "Generate Acrobat Data" as Linda said. o Or you can have "Generate Acrobat Data" activated and set the margins to 0 in Acrobat in "Document | Crop Pages". This way you do not need to create 2 PDF files out of FrameMaker. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Linda G. Gallagher > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:16 PM > To: 'Fred Ridder'; pe...@knowhowpro.com > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > > I've not followed this whole thread, so maybe someone has > covered this, but > you also need to deselect the Generate Acrobat Data option in > the FM print > dialog. > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > RMIMA Membership Manager > www.RMIMA.org > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:18 AM > To: pe...@knowhowpro.com > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > > > Peter Gold wrote: > > > The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size > to display > > the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have > enough room > > for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. > > > Absolutely correct. But the paper size only needs to be 1" > larger in each > dimension than the page size. According to Linda's last post, > there should > be plenty of room. She reported a page size of 5.827" by 8.268" being > printed to letter-size paper, which is an oversize of 2.673" > in width and > 2.732" in height. So this doesn't look like the problem, either. > > > > -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
Thanks, Linda. Great name, by the way. :-) No one mentioned it, but I found it in the book I downloaded, so I've been watching for that. But it certainly would have been a useful hint if I didn't have the book. Thanks again, Linda -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:16 AM To: 'Fred Ridder'; pe...@knowhowpro.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Missing registration marks I've not followed this whole thread, so maybe someone has covered this, but you also need to deselect the Generate Acrobat Data option in the FM print dialog. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates RMIMA Membership Manager www.RMIMA.org -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: pe...@knowhowpro.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Missing registration marks Peter Gold wrote: > The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size to display > the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have enough room > for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. Absolutely correct. But the paper size only needs to be 1" larger in each dimension than the page size. According to Linda's last post, there should be plenty of room. She reported a page size of 5.827" by 8.268" being printed to letter-size paper, which is an oversize of 2.673" in width and 2.732" in height. So this doesn't look like the problem, either. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin...@techcomplus.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bra...@hp.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/branam%40hp.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
Sounds like someone should enter a feature request to fix the UI so this is made clear. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > > Good one Linda. I forgot about that and nobody had mentioned it yet. I'll bet > money that this was the cause of Linda Branam's problem. > > Registration marks and interactive features like hyperlinks are for mutually > exclusive applications. > > -Fred Ridder > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
Good one Linda. I forgot about that and nobody had mentioned it yet. I'll bet money that this was the cause of Linda Branam's problem. Registration marks and interactive features like hyperlinks are for mutually exclusive applications. -Fred Ridder > From: lin...@techcomplus.com > To: docu...@hotmail.com; pe...@knowhowpro.com > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:16:21 -0700 > CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > I've not followed this whole thread, so maybe someone has covered this, but > you also need to deselect the Generate Acrobat Data option in the FM print > dialog. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
I've not followed this whole thread, so maybe someone has covered this, but you also need to deselect the Generate Acrobat Data option in the FM print dialog. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates RMIMA Membership Manager www.RMIMA.org -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:18 AM To: pe...@knowhowpro.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Missing registration marks Peter Gold wrote: > The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size to display > the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have enough room > for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. Absolutely correct. But the paper size only needs to be 1" larger in each dimension than the page size. According to Linda's last post, there should be plenty of room. She reported a page size of 5.827" by 8.268" being printed to letter-size paper, which is an oversize of 2.673" in width and 2.732" in height. So this doesn't look like the problem, either. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lin...@techcomplus.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
Peter Gold wrote: > The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size to display > the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have enough room > for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. Absolutely correct. But the paper size only needs to be 1" larger in each dimension than the page size. According to Linda's last post, there should be plenty of room. She reported a page size of 5.827" by 8.268" being printed to letter-size paper, which is an oversize of 2.673" in width and 2.732" in height. So this doesn't look like the problem, either. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > I just tried creating a PDF with registration marks from FrameMaker 8.0 and > Acrobat 9.0 Pro using the "print to Adobe PDF printer" method with the > Standard job options (box standard Adobe setup) and it worked fine. It even > worked fine using the Smallest File Size job options settings. So that > doesn't appear to be the problem. > > -Fred Ridder The paper size has to be "larger enough" than the page size to display the marks. IOW, a slightly-larger paper size may not have enough room for the marks. Try a tabloid or larger paper size. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
I just tried creating a PDF with registration marks from FrameMaker 8.0 and Acrobat 9.0 Pro using the "print to Adobe PDF printer" method with the Standard job options (box standard Adobe setup) and it worked fine. It even worked fine using the Smallest File Size job options settings. So that doesn't appear to be the problem. -Fred Ridder > From: art.campb...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:56:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: Missing registration marks > To: bra...@hp.com > CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; i...@mikewickham.com > > I believe you have to specify the Press Quality Distiller Job options too, > although the PDF Xa standard also support them -- some others may. > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Branam, Linda C wrote: > > > OK, I must not be doing something right. I bought and downloaded the Frame > > 7.0 guide from Scriptorium (THANKS, Nadine!). I'm trying to follow the > > directions (which parallel the ones that the list gave me) but no luck. > > > > I'm printing to letter size paper, so in the PDF Setup dialog box I set the > > page size at 5.827" by 8.268". Then in the Printer Setup dialog box for the > > Adobe PDF printer, I first selected Letter and printed. When that didn't > > work I tried again with A4. Still no luck. > > > > Any suggestions? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
I believe you have to specify the Press Quality Distiller Job options too, although the PDF Xa standard also support them -- some others may. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Branam, Linda C wrote: > OK, I must not be doing something right. I bought and downloaded the Frame > 7.0 guide from Scriptorium (THANKS, Nadine!). I'm trying to follow the > directions (which parallel the ones that the list gave me) but no luck. > > I'm printing to letter size paper, so in the PDF Setup dialog box I set the > page size at 5.827" by 8.268". Then in the Printer Setup dialog box for the > Adobe PDF printer, I first selected Letter and printed. When that didn't > work I tried again with A4. Still no luck. > > Any suggestions? > > > Thanks, > Linda > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Branam, Linda C > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:45 PM > To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users > Subject: RE: Missing registration marks > > Thanks to everyone who told me about the page size setting. I'll try that > out. > > > Thanks, > Linda > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:41 PM > To: Branam, Linda C; Frame Users > Subject: Re: Missing registration marks > > You have to set the paper size larger than the page size so that there is > room to show the registration marks. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bra...@hp.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/branam%40hp.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
OK, I must not be doing something right. I bought and downloaded the Frame 7.0 guide from Scriptorium (THANKS, Nadine!). I'm trying to follow the directions (which parallel the ones that the list gave me) but no luck. I'm printing to letter size paper, so in the PDF Setup dialog box I set the page size at 5.827" by 8.268". Then in the Printer Setup dialog box for the Adobe PDF printer, I first selected Letter and printed. When that didn't work I tried again with A4. Still no luck. Any suggestions? Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Branam, Linda C Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:45 PM To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users Subject: RE: Missing registration marks Thanks to everyone who told me about the page size setting. I'll try that out. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:41 PM To: Branam, Linda C; Frame Users Subject: Re: Missing registration marks You have to set the paper size larger than the page size so that there is room to show the registration marks. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bra...@hp.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/branam%40hp.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Missing registration marks
Thanks to everyone who told me about the page size setting. I'll try that out. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Mike Wickham [mailto:i...@mikewickham.com] Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:41 PM To: Branam, Linda C; Frame Users Subject: Re: Missing registration marks You have to set the paper size larger than the page size so that there is room to show the registration marks. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
You have to set the paper size larger than the page size so that there is room to show the registration marks. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
Hi, Linda: A bit off topic, but if you can afford this book, I recommend that you buy it: http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/publishing-fundamentals-unstructured-framemaker-8-all-detail.htm When I started out with FM, I had a similar book (FM for Dummies) that was worth its weight in gold. Cheers, Nadine > > On 12/4/09 7:00 PM, Branam, Linda C wrote: > >> I wanted registration marks to appear on my PDF version of the Frame doc, >> and I specified them everywhere I could think of, but they aren't showing, >> even though I made sure Western was selected in both the Print Book dialog >> and the subdialog PDF Setup for Selected Files. >> >> Anyone have an idea what's going on? >> >> >> Thanks, >> Linda >> >> Linda Frost Branam >> Senior Technical Editor - Aesbus Knowledge Solutions >> HP Personal Systems Group--Notebooks >> Cell: 832-692-8326 >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. >> >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net >> >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Missing registration marks
First question, what size paper is the document or PDF? Second question, what size paper are you printing to? If they are the same size, then you won't see the registration marks. Scott On 12/4/09 7:00 PM, Branam, Linda C wrote: > > I wanted registration marks to appear on my PDF version of the Frame doc, and > I specified them everywhere I could think of, but they aren't showing, even > though I made sure Western was selected in both the Print Book dialog and the > subdialog PDF Setup for Selected Files. > > Anyone have an idea what's going on? > > > Thanks, > Linda > > Linda Frost Branam > Senior Technical Editor - Aesbus Knowledge Solutions > HP Personal Systems Group--Notebooks > Cell: 832-692-8326 > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
