RE: Overrides a necessary evil?
If you need it that badly, then you can write page breaks into your structure, so that it's not an override. Set up an attribute on any elements that could require a page break (Headings, for example) and write in a context rule that applies a page break if you set the attribute to a certain value. Gary In my opinion, I think most would agree, page breaks are just about the only acceptable override in non-structured documents. As you point out, sometimes you need to fix awkward breaks. This e-mail, and any attachments are strictly confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. The content may also contain legal, professional or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, by return of email, and then delete the e-mail and any attachments. You should not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on this transmission. Please ensure you have adequate virus protection before you open or detach any documents from this transmission. Advantica, Inc. is a company incorporated in Delaware with its headquarters at 600 Bent Creek Blvd., Suite 100, Mechanicsburg, PA 17050 U.S.A. Advantica Ltd. is a company registered in England and Wales with company No. 3294136 and registered office at Holywell Park, New Ashby Road, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3GR, United Kingdom. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Overrides a necessary evil?
Hi Kristy, I get around the pagination issue in my structured documents by adding a pagination attribute to my section elements that includes the choices Top_Of_Page and Top_Of_Column. This allows me to start any section at the top of a page or column if necessary. Context-based formatting rules in the EDD detect the value of the pagination attribute and set the pagination properties of the corresponding heading paragraph accordingly. You can use this technique to gain fine control over any layout-specific properties in structured documents. I also find this technique useful to swap out the graphical icons associated with warnings, cautions, notes, and tips. I also use this technique to control alignment in table cells. I have also added attributes to the root element of a chapter to toggle branding-specific color schemes throughout the entire document. Best regards, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Overrides
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, William Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snipped-- Richard's solution is spot-on. For a long time, I deleted any extra spaces I saw at the end of a paragraph, --snipped-- --William Actually, there is one downside to this that I frequently come across, but this has mainly to do with headings that go into a ToC or the like. If you leave a space at the end of a heading also this space will be imported to the ToC too, so that if you have a dotted tab after the heading it will add space before the tab dotted line. Also, and this appears mainly in narrow columns, trailing spaces somtimes affect the line it appears in if the line is just on the verge of splitting. I can see this by removing the space, then the whole line rearranges itself on the screen (filling the not so empty space to the right). I have not tested this thoroughly with printed samples though. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson -- It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. -- Edsel Murphy, dec. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Overrides
Leah Smaller wrote: I never use manual overrides for formatting. But I have noticed that when the last word (right before the pilcrow) has a special character format, the pgf name is shown with an asterisk . This asterisk, of course, signifies a format override for that specific paragraph. If I leave a blank space between the last word and the pilcrow, the asterisk does not appear. Why does this issue bother me ? 1) I don't like a perfectly good pgf, with no overrides, displayed as if there are overrides. 2) Leaving a blank space between the character formatted word and the pilcrow is not a good workaround because spell checker picks it up as extra space and that adds many more mouse clicks to the workday. Comments? Solutions? I always type a space (just one) at the end of a sentence, and that includes at the end of a paragraph. Spell checker never flags these (and yes, I do have it set to find extra spaces), and it shouldn't -- a single space after the last sentence in a pgf isn't extra. The only reason I can think of that spell checker would flag that space is if you include \p in the Find Space Before entries. I like consistently having a space before the pilcrow for several reasons: -- If I merge pgfs (delete the pilcrow), that space needs to be there to separate the now-adjacent sentences. -- As you noted, separating a char format from the pilcrow prevents a pgf override (due to an FM bug). -- Similarly, separating a text inset from the pilcrow of its container pgf prevents that pgf from taking on the formatting of the first pgf in the text inset (another FM bug). I see now downside to typing that space, and no reason to end sentences differently depending on where in the pgf they occur. IMHO, YMMV, etc. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Overrides
If you capture the end-of-paragraph mark with your localized (character formatting) exception, Frame treats it as an overridden paragraph style, rather than a localized character format. Richard's solution is spot-on. For a long time, I deleted any extra spaces I saw at the end of a paragraph, under the geezer-like assumption that Every Byte is Sacred, and using the least number of them to do a job was a positive social good. This is one of those little things that looks like an anal-retentive bookkeeping problem until you make a habit out of it and have to update a book to a new template using TemplateMapper. TemplateMapper can handle character exceptions, but sticks all paragraphs into the new style, heedless of local exceptions. Suddenly, all those overridden paragraphs get paved over, and you have to go back and put in all the localized exceptions by hand. --William Combs, Richard wrote: Leah Smaller wrote: I never use manual overrides for formatting. But I have noticed that when the last word (right before the pilcrow) has a special character format, the pgf name is shown with an asterisk . This asterisk, of course, signifies a format override for that specific paragraph. If I leave a blank space between the last word and the pilcrow, the asterisk does not appear. Why does this issue bother me ? 1) I don't like a perfectly good pgf, with no overrides, displayed as if there are overrides. 2) Leaving a blank space between the character formatted word and the pilcrow is not a good workaround because spell checker picks it up as extra space and that adds many more mouse clicks to the workday. Comments? Solutions? I always type a space (just one) at the end of a sentence, and that includes at the end of a paragraph. Spell checker never flags these (and yes, I do have it set to find extra spaces), and it shouldn't -- a single space after the last sentence in a pgf isn't extra. The only reason I can think of that spell checker would flag that space is if you include \p in the Find Space Before entries. I like consistently having a space before the pilcrow for several reasons: -- If I merge pgfs (delete the pilcrow), that space needs to be there to separate the now-adjacent sentences. -- As you noted, separating a char format from the pilcrow prevents a pgf override (due to an FM bug). -- Similarly, separating a text inset from the pilcrow of its container pgf prevents that pgf from taking on the formatting of the first pgf in the text inset (another FM bug). I see now downside to typing that space, and no reason to end sentences differently depending on where in the pgf they occur. IMHO, YMMV, etc. Richard Richard G. Combs ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Overrides
Oops. I see now downside... should be no downside... Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Overrides
Being compulsive and also having had an excellent trainer (Sholom Peretz), I never use manual overrides for formatting. But I have noticed that when the last word (right before the pilcrow) has a special character format, the pgf name is shown with an asterisk . This asterisk, of course, signifies a format override for that specific paragraph. If I leave a blank space between the last word and the pilcrow, the asterisk does not appear. Why does this issue bother me ? 1) I don't like a perfectly good pgf, with no overrides, displayed as if there are overrides. 2) Leaving a blank space between the character formatted word and the pilcrow is not a good workaround because spell checker picks it up as extra space and that adds many more mouse clicks to the workday. Comments? Solutions? Have a good week, Leah Smaller Technical Communicator Certified Feldenkrais Method practitioner [EMAIL PROTECTED] What you truly learn best will appear to you later as your own discovery. (Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
