RE: Printing with line numbers
Are they asking for this just to make it easier to pinpoint something on a page, to avoid having to describe things as the second sentence in the third paragraph under 'Oblating the Retromizer'? Some standard document formats need line numbers as part of their requirements. For example: 1. Some legal documents. 2. Patent filings (numbered every five lines). Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Printing with line numbers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they asking for this just to make it easier to pinpoint something on a page, to avoid having to describe things as the second sentence in the third paragraph under 'Oblating the Retromizer'? Some standard document formats need line numbers as part of their requirements. For example: 1. Some legal documents. 2. Patent filings (numbered every five lines). Z That's true, but the original poster specified this was a request from reviewers, implying an editing, not a production requirement. Uh ... yes, point. I overlooked that in the original request - sorry! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Printing with line numbers
Hi, There is the free FrameScript script InsertLineCounter.fsl which does that for you. Works very well. http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1 Apart from that you could think of solutions with tables or additonal flows. Not very convenient. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Hirons Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:53 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Printing with line numbers Gurus, Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers? If so, how? I have reviewers wanting this. Peter ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Printing with line numbers
From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this can be achieved with FrameScript. Dan Emory, in 1999, said the following, but again, I don't know if there have been subsequent efforts to to create a plug-in that achieves these things. When I want line numbering I use LaTeX Good luck Alan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Free Framers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Line numbering and file breaks From: Dan Emory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:24 -0700 (MST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. - Is it possible to have line numbering down the side of a page, where the numbering counts only the lines with text in them and not blank lines? Despite what some others have stated, there is no viable way to do this in FrameMaker without developing an API client. And, despite what one poster suggested, development of such an API client would NOT be trivial, because it would have to detect both the presence and the vertical position of each text line, whether in or out of a table, and would have to deal with all of the following, which affect whether a line is numbered, and, if it is, the positioning of the line number: a. The ability to suppress line numbering for text that should not be numbered. b. Suppress line numbering for empty paragraphs c. Properly number text insets that are imported by reference. d. The variable amounts of white space between wrapped lines of a multi-line paragraph caused by the line spacing setting, and, if the paragraph is set for variable spacing, the variations in inter-line spacing produced by the presence of subscripts, superscripts, larger font sizes of formatted text strings within paragraphs, and anchored frames inserted within the text of a paragraph. e. Variations in the Space Above/Below settings of paragraphs and tables. f. Variations in the top/bottom cell margins of rows, and the alignment (top, bottom, or center) of text within cells. g. Suppression of line numbering for table heading and footing rows that repeat on each page of a multi-page table. h. The empty spaces created by graphics. Additionally, such an API client would have to deal successfully with: a. Multi-column page layouts, inserting the line numbers in that case in the gaps between columns. b. Other variations in master page usage which affect where and how the line numbers would appear. c. If line numbers run consecutively throughout a large multi-file book (as opposed to starting the line numbering at 1 on each page), the API client would also have to deal with the continuation of the line numbering in each file of the multi-file book, and the large range in the number of line number digits (from 1 to 6), finding some way to fit them within the page margins, and the gaps between columns in multi-column layouts. Certainly, the complexity of a line numbering capability such as that described above explains why it is not presently available in FrameMaker, and why (to my knowledge) no one has developed an API client that will do it. In my view, the only feasible way it could be done is to: a. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the Numbering or Pagination properties panel of the FrameMaker Paragraph Designer palette b. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the FrameMaker Table Designer palette. c. Add a Line Numbering Properties dialog to the FrameMaker Format Document menu that would be similar to the existing Change Bar Properties dialog. d. Add a line numbering continuation/restart parameter to the FrameMaker Set Up Document dialog in the book file. e. Impose tight restrictions on paragraph and table formats, as well as master pages (e.g., no multi-column layouts for columns where line numbering is required), to minimize the problems imposed by variations in spacing and page layout described previously. f. Develop a set of templates that implement the capabilities and limitations described in a, b, c, and d above. Peter Hirons wrote: Gurus, Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers? If so, how? I have reviewers wanting this. Peter ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to
Re: Printing with line numbers
Hi Art, As I said, I have not done it myself. But if you have the script and it works perhaps you could provide Peter with the requisite info on how to get it? I have not had the need in FM ;) Cheers Alan Art Campbell wrote: So the script doesn't work on your system, Alan? I've run it on 7 8 systems... Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this can be achieved with FrameScript. -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Printing with line numbers
So the script doesn't work on your system, Alan? I've run it on 7 8 systems... Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I understand, and I have not done this myself in FM, is that this can be achieved with FrameScript. Dan Emory, in 1999, said the following, but again, I don't know if there have been subsequent efforts to to create a plug-in that achieves these things. When I want line numbering I use LaTeX Good luck Alan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Free Framers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Line numbering and file breaks From: Dan Emory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:24 -0700 (MST) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. - Is it possible to have line numbering down the side of a page, where the numbering counts only the lines with text in them and not blank lines? Despite what some others have stated, there is no viable way to do this in FrameMaker without developing an API client. And, despite what one poster suggested, development of such an API client would NOT be trivial, because it would have to detect both the presence and the vertical position of each text line, whether in or out of a table, and would have to deal with all of the following, which affect whether a line is numbered, and, if it is, the positioning of the line number: a. The ability to suppress line numbering for text that should not be numbered. b. Suppress line numbering for empty paragraphs c. Properly number text insets that are imported by reference. d. The variable amounts of white space between wrapped lines of a multi-line paragraph caused by the line spacing setting, and, if the paragraph is set for variable spacing, the variations in inter-line spacing produced by the presence of subscripts, superscripts, larger font sizes of formatted text strings within paragraphs, and anchored frames inserted within the text of a paragraph. e. Variations in the Space Above/Below settings of paragraphs and tables. f. Variations in the top/bottom cell margins of rows, and the alignment (top, bottom, or center) of text within cells. g. Suppression of line numbering for table heading and footing rows that repeat on each page of a multi-page table. h. The empty spaces created by graphics. Additionally, such an API client would have to deal successfully with: a. Multi-column page layouts, inserting the line numbers in that case in the gaps between columns. b. Other variations in master page usage which affect where and how the line numbers would appear. c. If line numbers run consecutively throughout a large multi-file book (as opposed to starting the line numbering at 1 on each page), the API client would also have to deal with the continuation of the line numbering in each file of the multi-file book, and the large range in the number of line number digits (from 1 to 6), finding some way to fit them within the page margins, and the gaps between columns in multi-column layouts. Certainly, the complexity of a line numbering capability such as that described above explains why it is not presently available in FrameMaker, and why (to my knowledge) no one has developed an API client that will do it. In my view, the only feasible way it could be done is to: a. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the Numbering or Pagination properties panel of the FrameMaker Paragraph Designer palette b. Add a line numbering on/off parameter to the FrameMaker Table Designer palette. c. Add a Line Numbering Properties dialog to the FrameMaker Format Document menu that would be similar to the existing Change Bar Properties dialog. d. Add a line numbering continuation/restart parameter to the FrameMaker Set Up Document dialog in the book file. e. Impose tight restrictions on paragraph and table formats, as well as master pages (e.g., no multi-column layouts for columns where line numbering is required), to minimize the problems imposed by variations in spacing and page layout described previously. f. Develop a set of templates that implement the capabilities and limitations described in a, b, c, and d above. Peter Hirons wrote: Gurus, Does anyone know if it is possible to get FM to print with line numbers? If so, how? I have reviewers wanting this. Peter ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To