Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Scott Prentice
There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt 
with issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not 
exactly the same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution 
for FM. You might search the archives for retina or perhaps those 
people will chime in with their experiences.


Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:
Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about 
upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac 
loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing 
brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, 
and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I 
contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at 
full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that 
-- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for 
some time now, they have yet to test this!
Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first 
pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and 
install their latest Adobe software, and then test for native screen 
resolution *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on 
the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full resolution, then I'm 
SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old.
Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full 
screen resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to 
degrade the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question 
#2: If it has been necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor 
in order to run FM12, how does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it 
superior in quality of image, crispness of print, etc., or is 
it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand 
of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res 
big-screen monitor offered by Dell?
(This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 
1024x768 screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina 
screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K 
with FrameMaker 12 and were experiencing issues with the display and 
eventually had to adjust the display resolution. However, If you want 
you can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check if it 
works fine with your display or not.)





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Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 05:26 -0400 15/4/15, Austin Meredith wrote:

Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about 
upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded 
with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant 
precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run 
FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe 
about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution 
on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K 
Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test 
this!

Failing Scott's response pointing you in the direction of people with hands-on 
experience, and if you have a FrameMaker 12 install you can de-license from 
your current machine, why not try your local Apple store (if you have one) and 
see if they'd let you trial it on a real machine and 5k display?

Here in the UK I got surprisingly good support from the business team at my 
nearest Apple store (about two hours from here), even though they knew 
perfectly well that I was only in for a single machine. In fact it was they who 
came up with the idea of hosting OS X Snow Leopard under Parallels (which you 
would need for Windows) and running all my legacy software there. Kept me out 
of the clutches of the Adobe licensing model, and allowed me to go on using 
Eduroa for mail.

I don't have a Retina Display, but I have the latest Apple stand-alone 
big-screen Thunderbolt display (2560 x 1440), and I've not had any issues with 
FrameMaker 12 on that. I don't know if this is comparable though.

-- 
Steve
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Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker will run on a Mac only in a Windows emulator. Seems like
most people use Parallels. Here's their knowledge base article on
Retina displays:

http://kb.parallels.com/en/114700

The native resolution of my 15-inch Retina MacBook's screen is
2880x1800, which is about 220 ppi. If I switch it to that mode,
everything is unreadable and lots of UI elements are too small to
click accurately. This mode is occasionally useful for editing large
graphics when I don't have an external monitor.

The MacBook's default mode is 1440x900 HiDPI, which is 2880x1800 but
each UI element uses four times as many pixels for smoother fonts etc.

I don't find text sharper or more readable on the Retina display than
I do on a more standard-resolution external display.

I find text sharper and more readable with Windows and ClearType on a
standard-resolution display than with OS X and Retina.

The OS X UI provides only vague and coarse settings for this stuff.
SwitchResX is essential if you want fine control.

 On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:

 Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about
 upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded
 with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant
 precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run
 FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe
 about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution
 on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the
 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to
 test this!
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RE: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Ragnar Hanås
Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904?
Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14' format 
makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM!
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital
Sweden

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with 
issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the 
same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might 
search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with 
their experiences.

Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:
Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading 
my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the 
Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K 
Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 
under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it 
was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina 
monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has 
been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this!

Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke 
purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe 
software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should 
turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at 
full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old.

Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen 
resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the 
resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been 
necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how 
does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness 
of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some 
other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res 
big-screen monitor offered by Dell?


(This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 
screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has 
not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and 
were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the 
display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for 
FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.)



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Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Alan Litchfield
I can't answer your question about FM12 on the 5k Retina but I can say 
you are able to run your Windows OS perfectly well without Parallels. 
You can use Bootcamp to run Windows natively on the Apple Hardware. I 
have Windows installed on my MacBook Pro bootcamp partition and can 
select to run Windows or MacOS.


I also take that a step further and run the bootcamp installed Windows 
OS through VirtualBox as a VM so I can be running the Mac and its 
applications and the few Windows applications I need to run (mostly 
Visio and FrameMaker).


The issue you are likely to encounter is having Windows video drivers 
that will support hardware you want to use. That may require you to 
limit the video quality. The VirtualBox extras that are installed into 
Windows also allow me to make use of the Apple drivers for improved 
video output when I am running Windows as a VM.


I wouldn't be too hard on Adobe. They gave up on proper Mac support when 
they stopped FM development on the Mac from version 8. Anything the 
offer now is extra.


Good luck
Alan

On 16/04/15 6:02 am, Robert Lauriston wrote:

FrameMaker will run on a Mac only in a Windows emulator. Seems like
most people use Parallels. Here's their knowledge base article on
Retina displays:

http://kb.parallels.com/en/114700

The native resolution of my 15-inch Retina MacBook's screen is
2880x1800, which is about 220 ppi. If I switch it to that mode,
everything is unreadable and lots of UI elements are too small to
click accurately. This mode is occasionally useful for editing large
graphics when I don't have an external monitor.

The MacBook's default mode is 1440x900 HiDPI, which is 2880x1800 but
each UI element uses four times as many pixels for smoother fonts etc.

I don't find text sharper or more readable on the Retina display than
I do on a more standard-resolution external display.

I find text sharper and more readable with Windows and ClearType on a
standard-resolution display than with OS X and Retina.

The OS X UI provides only vague and coarse settings for this stuff.
SwitchResX is essential if you want fine control.


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:

Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about
upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded
with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant
precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run
FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe
about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution
on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the
5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to
test this!

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Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Tori Muir


  
  
For those of us with eyesight that's not what
  it used to be due to age, a 14" screen is simply not a viable
  option, no matter how high the resolution. 

FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15"
Retina MacBook Pro hooked up to a 27" Thunderbolt display (a mere
2560 x 1440 pixels), and it looks *awesome*. I'm not sure the
exact resolution I'm running, as I use VMware Fusion and it has its
own monitor settings within the virtual machine. 
Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com

On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hans wrote:

  
  
  
  
Why
not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904?
Even
better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The
14 format makes it much more easier to work while
travelling. And no problems running FM!
Ragnar
Hanas
Uddevalla
Hospital
Sweden


  
From:
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12
using the 5K Retina screen?
  



  There are a number of people on this list
(I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina
MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing,
but it's well beyond the "compatible" resolution for FM. You
might search the archives for "retina" or perhaps those
people will chime in with their experiences.

Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:


  
Because of fading eyesight due to old
  age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and
  software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the
  Windows operating system,because of Apple's amazing
  brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears
  so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that
  iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was
  possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on
  the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the
  fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for
  some time now, they have yet to test this!
  
  
  
 
  
  
Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I
  would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest
  Apple hardware, and download and install their latest
  Adobe software, and thentest for native screen resolution
  *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on
  the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full
  resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting
  old.
  
  
  
 
  
  
Question #1: Has anyone on this list
  succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a
  5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade
  the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12?
  Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the
  resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does
  FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of
  image, crispness of print, etc., or is itinferior?
  Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of
  monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest
  hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell?
  
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
(This was Adobe's response: "The
  Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution
  (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under
  
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html.
  5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker
  12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were
  experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to
  adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you
  can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check
  if it works fine with your display or not.")
  
  
  




 

RE: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

2015-04-15 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Agreed! I use my 15.6 laptop only when I travel (which is quite a bit). When I 
am at my desk at work or at home, I dock my laptop and connect to twin 24 
1920x1200 displays for my work.

Only way my old eyes would survive long-term staring at a screen.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:53 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

For those of us with eyesight that's not what it used to be due to age, a 14 
screen is simply not a viable option, no matter how high the resolution.

FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15 Retina MacBook 
Pro hooked up to a 27 Thunderbolt display (a mere 2560 x 1440 pixels), and it 
looks *awesome*.   I'm not sure the exact resolution I'm running, as I use 
VMware Fusion and it has its own monitor settings within the virtual machine.


Tori Muir

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www.spot-on-creative.comhttp://www.spot-on-creative.com

On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hanås wrote:
Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904?
Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14' format 
makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM!
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital
Sweden

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?

There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with 
issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the 
same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might 
search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with 
their experiences.

Good luck!
...scott


On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote:
Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading 
my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the 
Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K 
Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 
under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it 
was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina 
monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has 
been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this!

Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke 
purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe 
software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should 
turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at 
full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old.

Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen 
resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the 
resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been 
necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how 
does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness 
of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some 
other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res 
big-screen monitor offered by Dell?


(This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 
screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has 
not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and 
were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the 
display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for 
FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.)









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