Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with their experiences. Good luck! ...scott On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old. Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell? (This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
At 05:26 -0400 15/4/15, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! Failing Scott's response pointing you in the direction of people with hands-on experience, and if you have a FrameMaker 12 install you can de-license from your current machine, why not try your local Apple store (if you have one) and see if they'd let you trial it on a real machine and 5k display? Here in the UK I got surprisingly good support from the business team at my nearest Apple store (about two hours from here), even though they knew perfectly well that I was only in for a single machine. In fact it was they who came up with the idea of hosting OS X Snow Leopard under Parallels (which you would need for Windows) and running all my legacy software there. Kept me out of the clutches of the Adobe licensing model, and allowed me to go on using Eduroa for mail. I don't have a Retina Display, but I have the latest Apple stand-alone big-screen Thunderbolt display (2560 x 1440), and I've not had any issues with FrameMaker 12 on that. I don't know if this is comparable though. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
FrameMaker will run on a Mac only in a Windows emulator. Seems like most people use Parallels. Here's their knowledge base article on Retina displays: http://kb.parallels.com/en/114700 The native resolution of my 15-inch Retina MacBook's screen is 2880x1800, which is about 220 ppi. If I switch it to that mode, everything is unreadable and lots of UI elements are too small to click accurately. This mode is occasionally useful for editing large graphics when I don't have an external monitor. The MacBook's default mode is 1440x900 HiDPI, which is 2880x1800 but each UI element uses four times as many pixels for smoother fonts etc. I don't find text sharper or more readable on the Retina display than I do on a more standard-resolution external display. I find text sharper and more readable with Windows and ClearType on a standard-resolution display than with OS X and Retina. The OS X UI provides only vague and coarse settings for this stuff. SwitchResX is essential if you want fine control. On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904? Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14' format makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM! Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen? There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with their experiences. Good luck! ...scott On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old. Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell? (This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
I can't answer your question about FM12 on the 5k Retina but I can say you are able to run your Windows OS perfectly well without Parallels. You can use Bootcamp to run Windows natively on the Apple Hardware. I have Windows installed on my MacBook Pro bootcamp partition and can select to run Windows or MacOS. I also take that a step further and run the bootcamp installed Windows OS through VirtualBox as a VM so I can be running the Mac and its applications and the few Windows applications I need to run (mostly Visio and FrameMaker). The issue you are likely to encounter is having Windows video drivers that will support hardware you want to use. That may require you to limit the video quality. The VirtualBox extras that are installed into Windows also allow me to make use of the Apple drivers for improved video output when I am running Windows as a VM. I wouldn't be too hard on Adobe. They gave up on proper Mac support when they stopped FM development on the Mac from version 8. Anything the offer now is extra. Good luck Alan On 16/04/15 6:02 am, Robert Lauriston wrote: FrameMaker will run on a Mac only in a Windows emulator. Seems like most people use Parallels. Here's their knowledge base article on Retina displays: http://kb.parallels.com/en/114700 The native resolution of my 15-inch Retina MacBook's screen is 2880x1800, which is about 220 ppi. If I switch it to that mode, everything is unreadable and lots of UI elements are too small to click accurately. This mode is occasionally useful for editing large graphics when I don't have an external monitor. The MacBook's default mode is 1440x900 HiDPI, which is 2880x1800 but each UI element uses four times as many pixels for smoother fonts etc. I don't find text sharper or more readable on the Retina display than I do on a more standard-resolution external display. I find text sharper and more readable with Windows and ClearType on a standard-resolution display than with OS X and Retina. The OS X UI provides only vague and coarse settings for this stuff. SwitchResX is essential if you want fine control. On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
For those of us with eyesight that's not what it used to be due to age, a 14" screen is simply not a viable option, no matter how high the resolution. FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15" Retina MacBook Pro hooked up to a 27" Thunderbolt display (a mere 2560 x 1440 pixels), and it looks *awesome*. I'm not sure the exact resolution I'm running, as I use VMware Fusion and it has its own monitor settings within the virtual machine. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hans wrote: Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904? Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14 format makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM! Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen? There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it's well beyond the "compatible" resolution for FM. You might search the archives for "retina" or perhaps those people will chime in with their experiences. Good luck! ...scott On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system,because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe software, and thentest for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old. Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness of print, etc., or is itinferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell? (This was Adobe's response: "The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.")
RE: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen?
Agreed! I use my 15.6 laptop only when I travel (which is quite a bit). When I am at my desk at work or at home, I dock my laptop and connect to twin 24 1920x1200 displays for my work. Only way my old eyes would survive long-term staring at a screen. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 2:53 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen? For those of us with eyesight that's not what it used to be due to age, a 14 screen is simply not a viable option, no matter how high the resolution. FWIW, my eyesight is decidedly declined, I run Frame 11 on a 15 Retina MacBook Pro hooked up to a 27 Thunderbolt display (a mere 2560 x 1440 pixels), and it looks *awesome*. I'm not sure the exact resolution I'm running, as I use VMware Fusion and it has its own monitor settings within the virtual machine. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.commailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.comhttp://www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/15/15, 1:06 PM, Ragnar Hanås wrote: Why not a Fujitsu Lifebook U904? Even better resolution than Mac (3200 x 1800 vs 2880x1800). The 14' format makes it much more easier to work while travelling. And no problems running FM! Ragnar Hanas Uddevalla Hospital Sweden From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 17:55 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What is your experience with FM12 using the 5K Retina screen? There are a number of people on this list (I believe) who have dealt with issues using FM12 on retina MacBook Pro laptops. I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it's well beyond the compatible resolution for FM. You might search the archives for retina or perhaps those people will chime in with their experiences. Good luck! ...scott On 4/15/15 2:26 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: Because of fading eyesight due to old age, I have been thinking about upgrading my hardware and software. I'd like to purchase a new iMac loaded with the Windows operating system, because of Apple's amazing brilliant precise 5K Retina monitor on which print appears so crisp, and then run FrameMaker 12 under Windows on that iMac. However, when I contacted Adobe about whether it was possible to run FrameMaker 12 at full screen resolution on the 5K Retina monitor, they responded that -- despite the fact that the 5K Retina monitor has been being sold for some time now, they have yet to test this! Apparently Adobe's attitude is that I would need to first pig-in-a-poke purchase the latest Apple hardware, and download and install their latest Adobe software, and then test for native screen resolution *myself*. --If it should turn out that FM12 won't run on the 5K Retina screen I had just purchased at full resolution, then I'm SOL, and shame on my eyes for getting old. Question #1: Has anyone on this list succeeded in running FM12 at full screen resolution on a 5K Retina monitor? Or, has it been necessary to degrade the resolution of the screen in order to run FM12? Question #2: If it has been necessary to degrade the resolution of this monitor in order to run FM12, how does FM12 look on this monitor? --Is it superior in quality of image, crispness of print, etc., or is it inferior? Question #3: Should I instead purchase some other brand of monitor for the visually disabled, such as the latest hi-res big-screen monitor offered by Dell? (This was Adobe's response: The Compatible screen resolution is 1024x768 screen resolution (1280x800 recommended) mentioned under http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html. 5K Retina screen has not yet been tested with FrameMaker 12. We had tested 4K with FrameMaker 12 and were experiencing issues with the display and eventually had to adjust the display resolution. However, If you want you can install the trial version for FrameMaker 12 and check if it works fine with your display or not.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.commailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list