Hi Syed
Many of these features may be addressed in the next release of
FrameMaker. I can put you in touch with FM product manager if you are
interesting in learning more about the FM roadmap and planned features.
Kind regards
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Yves
Hi Syed
Many of these features may be addressed in the next release of
FrameMaker. I can put you in touch with FM product manager if you are
interesting in learning more about the FM roadmap and planned features.
Kind regards
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Yves
I was only evaluating FrameMaker 10's XML / DocBook / DITA features to
see if it made sense to use XML source instead of .fm for new
projects.
Nobody pointed me to DITA-FMx. Sounds like it would be worth
evaluating if I needed to do DITA.
If I did not already own FrameMaker the need to buy a
I am not sure ... I will go check the site to see which version it is and
report back soon.
Z
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:55 AM
To:
Okay, it looks like it is Confluence 4.X ... we use their hosted site for Jira
by Atlassian (www.atlassian.com), so it is there latest hosted version of
Confluence.
Z
-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:44 PM
To: 'Robert
Hi Robert
You are correct in saying that it takes more time to be productive with
FrameMaker and DITA, but I think "two weeks or more of downtime" is a bit
exaggerated. With DITA-FMx, you can be up and running within an hour (or
two). Moreover, DITA-FMx has good documentation and an excellent
I am not sure ... I will go check the site to see which version it is and
report back soon.
Z
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:55 AM
To: framers at
Okay, it looks like it is Confluence 4.X ... we use their hosted site for Jira
by Atlassian (www.atlassian.com), so it is there latest hosted version of
Confluence.
Z
-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:44 PM
To: 'Robert
I should also mention that when I was getting started with DITA, I took a
course about DITA in FM at Front Runner in Toronto
(http://www.front-runner.com/) that was taught by Bernard Aschwanden. Since
then, he's written a book about learning DITA (with tutorials):
Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.
A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in to this
version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was released by Adobe for
FrameMaker 9)?
If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched the Adobe
web site and
It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the
structured interface to see it (File Preferences General). I don't have
very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the
underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more
Well .. technically, it's both. Many features in FM are implemented as
plugins. The DITA support in FM since FM8 has been delivered as FDK
client plugins, but it is included pre-installed with the default
installation. You're thinking of the DITA Application Pack for FM7.2
.. that was
Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA novice!
The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a FrameMaker 9 Plug-in for
DITA Open Toolkit here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html
But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at
Ah, the DITA Open Toolkit (or DITA OT) is a separate beast. It's a free, open
source program that allows you to create output from your DITA content
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA_Open_Toolkit).
Determine what output you need to create. If you need to create PDFs only, you
might want to do
In case no one else has mentioned it, you can also use DITA2Go as an
alternative to the DITA-OT (or Flare or RoboHelp). It's free, and it's
highly configurable. The learning curve is not as steep as for the
DITA-OT, especially for those familiar with its sister product Mif2Go,
and the
On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code
that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java
Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of
Thanks, Nadine and Scott.
As I mentioned in my other e-mail, DITA is just a learning curiosity for me at
this point. It *seems* overly compex for what I need, but looking to learn
nevertheless ...
Now to real reason for this thread!
My *current* flow is simple:
1. Write the documents
Oh my .. I don't know how I left that out of my post. Yes .. DITA2Go is
an excellent choice for publishing from DITA. Especially since you can
now run it directly from the DITA-FMx menu in Frame (7.2 on up)!
Jeremy .. I may just quote you in the future. This is so true .. OT is
the most
On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:07:03 -0700, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that
can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying
to figure out the best way to proceed here.
Do people have recommendations
That sounds like manual coding with a text editor. I expect more from
an authoring tool.
I know enough about DocBook and DITA that I could be immediately
productive with Oxygen XML or XMetal. In contrast, FrameMaker looks
like two weeks or more of downtime while dealing with the lack of
Well .. *if* you switched to DITA, there are lots of options for getting
very clean HTML (already discussed). If you stay with unstructured FM,
you don't want to get the HTML directly from FM (as you've found) .. it
can probably be fixed up a bit from what you're seeing, but that option
is not
Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
I already have a login on mif2go.com and recently download the demo version of
MIF2go 4.0.
Just need to install and try it to see if it is what works best for me. If so,
then I will proceed to a purchase.
Thanks again!
Z
Hi Syed
Buying DITA-FMx makes sense for everyone who is using FrameMaker. Just take
a look at the DITA Feature Comparison on the Leximation site:
www.leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php
Believe me, you cannot really do DITA in a production environment with
FrameMaker without DITA-FMx.
Hi, Yves.
Oh, I agree that if I were indeed _needing_ to use DITA for my work right now,
then DITA-FMx would be at the top of the list.
However, with my current documentation workflow (as mentioned in a different
thread), it is overkill for me to buy DITA-FMx for my own education purposes at
Hi Robert
You are correct in saying that it takes more time to be productive with
FrameMaker and DITA, but I think two weeks or more of downtime is a bit
exaggerated. With DITA-FMx, you can be up and running within an hour (or
two). Moreover, DITA-FMx has good documentation and an excellent
Are you using Confluence 3.x or 4.x? The work I've been doing is
irrelevant to 3.x, which requires wiki markup.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
I already have
I should also mention that when I was getting started with DITA, I took a
course about DITA in FM at Front Runner in Toronto
(http://www.front-runner.com/) that was taught by Bernard Aschwanden. Since
then, he's written a book about learning DITA (with tutorials):
Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al.
A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in to this
version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was released by Adobe for
FrameMaker 9)?
If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched the Adobe
web site and
It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the
structured interface to see it (File > Preferences > General). I don't have
very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the
underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more
Well .. technically, it's both. Many features in FM are implemented as
plugins. The DITA support in FM since FM8 has been delivered as FDK
client plugins, but it is included pre-installed with the default
installation. You're thinking of the "DITA Application Pack for FM7.2"
.. that was
Hmmm ... I may have been quite unclear in my question, since I am a DITA novice!
The reason I asked is that the Adobe web site has a "FrameMaker 9 Plug-in for
DITA Open Toolkit" here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/fm9_opentoolkit.html
But I don't see an equivalent for FM 10 ... at
Ah .. the OT plugin. Yes .. that's a "connector" plugin that allows you
to process your DITA content through the DITA Open Toolkit. Adobe
provided that for FM9, but hasn't made one for FM10 (they want you to
use RoboHelp instead). The FM9 version should work for FM10 (although it
was a bit
Thanks for the detailed reply, Scott!
Right now, DITA is a curiosity for me and I want to learn more about it. I.e.,
I don't have any specific need to create documents/output using DITA for our
company.
So, buying DITA-FMx does not make sense for me, since I would not be able to
justify
Ah, the DITA Open Toolkit (or DITA OT) is a separate beast. It's a free, open
source program that allows you to create output from your DITA content
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA_Open_Toolkit).
Determine what output you need to create. If you need to create PDFs only, you
might want to do
In case no one else has mentioned it, you can also use DITA2Go as an
alternative to the DITA-OT (or Flare or RoboHelp). It's free, and it's
highly configurable. The learning curve is not as steep as for the
DITA-OT, especially for those familiar with its sister product Mif2Go,
and the
On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice
wrote:
>To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code
>that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java
>Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of
>output from DITA,
Thanks, Nadine and Scott.
As I mentioned in my other e-mail, DITA is just a learning curiosity for me at
this point. It *seems* overly compex for what I need, but looking to learn
nevertheless ...
Now to real reason for this thread!
My *current* flow is simple:
1. Write the documents
Oh my .. I don't know how I left that out of my post. Yes .. DITA2Go is
an excellent choice for publishing from DITA. Especially since you can
now run it directly from the DITA-FMx menu in Frame (7.2 on up)!
Jeremy .. I may just quote you in the future. This is so true .. "OT is
the most
On Fri, 18 May 2012 11:07:03 -0700, "Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" wrote:
>So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that
>can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying
>to figure out the best way to proceed here.
>
>Do people have recommendations as to the
That sounds like manual coding with a text editor. I expect more from
an authoring tool.
I know enough about DocBook and DITA that I could be immediately
productive with Oxygen XML or XMetal. In contrast, FrameMaker looks
like two weeks or more of downtime while dealing with the lack of
Hi Syeed---
I would suggest you look at MIF2Go if you've just got one writer or
workstream, or possibly WebWorks if you have multiple. Both do all that
you ask for.
I've used both, and am very happy with MIF2Go. WebWorks ePublisher
Express is working fine for a client, but I don't do anything
Well .. *if* you switched to DITA, there are lots of options for getting
very clean HTML (already discussed). If you stay with unstructured FM,
you don't want to get the HTML directly from FM (as you've found) .. it
can probably be fixed up a bit from what you're seeing, but that option
is not
Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
I already have a login on mif2go.com and recently download the demo version of
MIF2go 4.0.
Just need to install and try it to see if it is what works best for me. If so,
then I will proceed to a purchase.
Thanks again!
Z
Hi Syed
Buying DITA-FMx makes sense for everyone who is using FrameMaker. Just take
a look at the DITA Feature Comparison on the Leximation site:
www.leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php
Believe me, you cannot really "do DITA" in a production environment with
FrameMaker without
Hi, Yves.
Oh, I agree that if I were indeed _needing_ to use DITA for my work right now,
then DITA-FMx would be at the top of the list.
However, with my current documentation workflow (as mentioned in a different
thread), it is overkill for me to buy DITA-FMx for my own education purposes at
Are you using Confluence 3.x or 4.x? The work I've been doing is
irrelevant to 3.x, which requires wiki markup.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> Thanks, Jeremy. I will take a look at his efforts to do this.
>
> I already have a login on
I was only evaluating FrameMaker 10's XML / DocBook / DITA features to
see if it made sense to use XML source instead of .fm for new
projects.
Nobody pointed me to DITA-FMx. Sounds like it would be worth
evaluating if I needed to do DITA.
If I did not already own FrameMaker the need to buy a
I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful
that ships with the product. There's a lot out there in blogs and
wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask,
you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have
provided more
The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is
really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but
DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.
Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to
I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.
FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook /
Hi Robert...
It's unfortunate that you headed down the Structured Application path
.. that has nothing to do with creating a DITA project .. that's how you
create the files that allow you to author in an XML model like DITA or
DocBook, but the DITA structured application has already been
I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I?d heard that Adobe
added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help
people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no
substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble
I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful
that ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and
wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask,
you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have
provided
>The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is
??really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
??tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but
??DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.
Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how
I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.
FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook /
Hi Robert...
It's unfortunate that you headed down the "Structured Application" path
.. that has nothing to do with creating a DITA project .. that's how you
create the files that allow you to author in an XML model like DITA or
DocBook, but the DITA structured application has already been
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