Re: Special character: punctuation space

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The other space is the non-breaking space, which is a fixed space, and which (if
you are converting to HTML, stays a non-breaking space (nbsp;).

Ctrl+space to enter
\ (backslash-space) to search/replace.

Grant

 On July 1, 2013 at 12:04 PM Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.
 
  I believe those are the only special spaces available, though, so if thin
 space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing
 one that was the width of punctuation, and I doubt if there is one, since
 how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in
 proportional spacing. For example, a ? will take up more room than a !.
 
  If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
 nothing. :)
  On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com  wrote:
  Number space: Esc+space+1
 Em space: Esc+space+m
 En space: Esc+space+n
 Thin space: Esc+space+t
  
 You probably want thin space.

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Re: Special character: punctuation space

[Mike Wickham]

I don't think it would work, but I don't know. I picked up the trick 
somewhere else and don't know anything about the inner workings of it. I 
would point out, though, that it does not change the keypad to hex. It 
merely adds the capability. So all the old Left-Alt+xxx ASCII? key 
combinations work, i.e. you don't type the plus sign and there is a 
limit of three characters. So I don't think the 4-digit code you listed 
would work.


Mike Wickham

On 7/2/2013 1:49 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
2008 hex is 8200 decimal. Instead of changing your keypad to hex, can 
you use 8200?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 01-Jul-13 11:48 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode 
keypad. It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find 
the key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method. Right-click 
on it, choose New and then String to create a new string called 
EnableHexNumpad with a value of 1. (Don't type the quotes.) 
REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!


Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the 
left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, 
and then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the 
unicode character. Then release the left-alt key. (Note that the 
right-alt key does not work for this.)


So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:

press +
press 2
press 0
press 0
press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex 
letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard 
(while still holding down the Left-Alt key).


PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will 
ONLY appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined 
character. (Most fonts do not.)


Mike Wickham

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space 
that's the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar 
to Esc spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, 
etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is x2008. I've tried (and had 
other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the 
numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal sign 
with a vertical line through it.


Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?






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Re: Special character: punctuation space

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Couldn't get more massively useful than this! Thanks for this one!

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[Christenson, Pat]

No, 8200 doesn't work.

The weird thing is that the punctuation space appears in both the Character 
Palette and Hex Input and I can use \2008 in a variable. There just doesn't 
seem to be a way to create it from the keyboard. Strange.

Thanks.

Pat


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Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

2008 hex is 8200 decimal. Instead of changing your keypad to hex, can you use 
8200?


Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133
On 01-Jul-13 11:48 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. It's 
turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click on it, choose New 
and then String to create a new string called "EnableHexNumpad" with a value of 
"1". (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!

Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the left-alt 
key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, and then (while 
still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode character. Then release 
the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key does not work for this.)

So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
press +
press 2
press 0
press 0
press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex letters a 
to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while still holding 
down the Left-Alt key).

PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY appear 
if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. (Most fonts do 
not.)

Mike Wickham


Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?






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On 2013-Jul-01 4:48 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. 
> It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
> "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click on it, 
> choose New and then String to create a new string called 
> "EnableHexNumpad" with a value of "1". (Don't type the quotes.) 
> REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!
>
> Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the 
> left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, 
> and then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode 
> character. Then release the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt 
> key does not work for this.)
>
> So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
> (simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
> press +
> press 2
> press 0
> press 0
> press 8
> and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex 
> letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard 
> (while still holding down the Left-Alt key).
>
> PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will 
> ONLY appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined 
> character. (Most fonts do not.)
>
> Mike Wickham
>


There's also this, which I haven't tested: 
http://www.fileformat.info/tool/unicodeinput/index.htm

and this, which I have used a fair amount: 
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html

BabelMap is useful because it does show the existence (or not) of 
particular glyphs in a font. FM's character palette lies to you, by 
substituting from a different font when it encounters glyphs lacking in 
the font you're using. And it doesn't bother telling you about the 
substitution.

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[Mike Wickham]

I don't think it would work, but I don't know. I picked up the trick 
somewhere else and don't know anything about the inner workings of it. I 
would point out, though, that it does not change the keypad to hex. It 
merely adds the capability. So all the old Left-Alt+xxx ASCII? key 
combinations work, i.e. you don't type the plus sign and there is a 
limit of three characters. So I don't think the 4-digit code you listed 
would work.

Mike Wickham

On 7/2/2013 1:49 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
> 2008 hex is 8200 decimal. Instead of changing your keypad to hex, can 
> you use 8200?
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> On 01-Jul-13 11:48 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
>> First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode 
>> keypad. It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find 
>> the key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click 
>> on it, choose New and then String to create a new string called 
>> "EnableHexNumpad" with a value of "1". (Don't type the quotes.) 
>> REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!
>>
>> Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the 
>> left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, 
>> and then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the 
>> unicode character. Then release the left-alt key. (Note that the 
>> right-alt key does not work for this.)
>>
>> So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
>> (simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
>> press +
>> press 2
>> press 0
>> press 0
>> press 8
>> and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex 
>> letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard 
>> (while still holding down the Left-Alt key).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will 
>> ONLY appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined 
>> character. (Most fonts do not.)
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>>
>>> Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space 
>>> that's the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar 
>>> to Esc spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, 
>>> etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is x2008. I've tried (and had 
>>> other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the 
>>> numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal sign 
>>> with a vertical line through it.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
>>>
>>>
>>
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[mkopen]

Couldn't get more massively useful than this! Thanks for this one!

Cheers,
Mike

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Canada

Special character: punctuation space

[Christenson, Pat]

Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

Thanks.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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Re: Special character: punctuation space

[Lin Sims]

Number space: Esc+space+1
Em space: Esc+space+m
En space: Esc+space+n
Thin space: Esc+space+t

You probably want thin space.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat 
pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:

  Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

 ** **

 Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that’s the
 width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m
 for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode
 for it is x2008. I’ve tried (and had other people) try this, holding down
 Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks
 like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.

 ** **

 Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

 ** **

 As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

 ** **

 Thanks.

 ** **

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 Resource Coordinator

 Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications

 pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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Re: Special character: punctuation space

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And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only special spaces available, though, so if thin
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever
seeing one that was the width of punctuation, and I doubt if there is
one, since how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the
mark in proportional spacing. For example, a ? will take up more room
than a !.

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
nothing. :)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 Number space: Esc+space+1
 Em space: Esc+space+m
 En space: Esc+space+n
 Thin space: Esc+space+t

 You probably want thin space.

 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat 
 pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:

  Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

 ** **

 Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that’s
 the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc
 spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the
 Unicode  for it is x2008. I’ve tried (and had other people) try this,
 holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character
 that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.

 ** **

 Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

 ** **

 As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

 ** **

 Thanks.

 ** **

 Pat Christenson

 Resource Coordinator

 Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications

 pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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RE: Special character: punctuation space

[Christenson, Pat]

Hi Lin -

I found a lot of information on line and in Unicode, the punctuation space 
(Unicode 2008) is the same size as a comma or period so it's very useful in 
lining up columns of numbers. A numeric space is too large and a thin space is 
too small.

Maybe FrameMaker's support for Unicode isn't as complete as I thought? I'm on 
FrameMaker 10.

Thanks.

Pat


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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
To: Christenson, Pat
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only special spaces available, though, so if thin 
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing 
one that was the width of punctuation, and I doubt if there is one, since how 
much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in proportional 
spacing. For example, a ? will take up more room than a !.

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got nothing. 
:)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims 
ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
Number space: Esc+space+1
Em space: Esc+space+m
En space: Esc+space+n
Thin space: Esc+space+t

You probably want thin space.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat 
pchristen...@ftportfolios.commailto:pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

Thanks.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
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[Christenson, Pat]

BTW, the character can be created in a variable as \u2008. I just can't figure 
out any way to create it outside of a variable.

Pat


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Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
To: Christenson, Pat
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only special spaces available, though, so if thin 
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing 
one that was the width of punctuation, and I doubt if there is one, since how 
much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in proportional 
spacing. For example, a ? will take up more room than a !.

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got nothing. 
:)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims 
ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
Number space: Esc+space+1
Em space: Esc+space+m
En space: Esc+space+n
Thin space: Esc+space+t

You probably want thin space.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat 
pchristen...@ftportfolios.commailto:pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

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Thanks.

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Re: Special character: punctuation space

[Lin Sims]

Hi Pat,

I don't think there's a keyboard shortcut that will do that, or at least
none I've ever found,  and I've been creating a quick reference for myself
lately on all the keyboard shortcuts I want to use, so I've looked at this
a bit.

I think the only way to insert a Unicode character like that is to use the
Character Palette. I've never been able to type those high Unicode
characters in with the number keypad; as far as I can tell, it only lets
you input ASCII codes, not Unicode. You'll also need a font that supports
full Unicode, such as Arial Unicode MS.

Why not just use the variable, if it works? Or write an ExtendScript
that'll insert the character without the variable? I've never used
ExtendScript, so I'm not sure how that would be done; however, there are
lots of people on this list who could probably help with that.

Lin

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pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:

  BTW, the character can be created in a variable as \u2008. I just can’t
 figure out any way to create it outside of a variable.

 ** **

 Pat

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
 *To:* Christenson, Pat
 *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: Special character: punctuation space

 ** **

 And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.


 I believe those are the only special spaces available, though, so if
 thin space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever
 seeing one that was the width of punctuation, and I doubt if there is
 one, since how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the
 mark in proportional spacing. For example, a ? will take up more room
 than a !.

 If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
 nothing. :)

  On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 Number space: Esc+space+1
 Em space: Esc+space+m
 En space: Esc+space+n
 Thin space: Esc+space+t

 You probably want thin space.

 On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat 
 pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:

   Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

  

 Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that’s the
 width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m
 for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode
 for it is x2008. I’ve tried (and had other people) try this, holding down
 Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks
 like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.

  

 Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

  

 As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

  

 Thanks.

  

 Pat Christenson

 Resource Coordinator

 Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications

 pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

  

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Re: Special character: punctuation space

[Mike Wickham]

First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. 
It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method. Right-click on it, 
choose New and then String to create a new string called 
EnableHexNumpad with a value of 1. (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. 
Don't forget to reboot!


Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the 
left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, 
and then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode 
character. Then release the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key 
does not work for this.)


So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:

press +
press 2
press 0
press 0
press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex 
letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while 
still holding down the Left-Alt key).


PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY 
appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. 
(Most fonts do not.)


Mike Wickham

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's 
the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc 
spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found 
the Unicode  for it is x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try 
this, holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a 
character that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line 
through it.


Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?




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RE: Special character: punctuation space

[Christenson, Pat]

Thanks, Mike. I didn't see anything about this online. You've been very helpful.

Pat


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:49 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. It's 
turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method. Right-click on it, choose New 
and then String to create a new string called EnableHexNumpad with a value of 
1. (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!

Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the left-alt 
key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, and then (while 
still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode character. Then release 
the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key does not work for this.)

So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
press +
press 2
press 0
press 0
press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex letters a 
to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while still holding 
down the Left-Alt key).

PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY appear 
if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. (Most fonts do 
not.)

Mike Wickham


Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?


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Re: Special character: punctuation space

[Lin Sims]

Yeah, really. I had no idea there even WAS a Unicode keypad. Very useful
knowledge that I intend to pass on to my coworkers. :)

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Christenson, Pat 
pchristen...@ftportfolios.com wrote:

  Thanks, Mike. I didn’t see anything about this online. You’ve been very
 helpful.

 ** **

 Pat

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Wickham
 *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 3:49 PM
 *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com

 *Subject:* Re: Special character: punctuation space

  ** **

 First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad.
 It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key
 HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method. Right-click on it, choose
 New and then String to create a new string called EnableHexNumpad with a
 value of 1. (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!


 Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the
 left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, and
 then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode
 character. Then release the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key
 does not work for this.)

 So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then
 (simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
 press +
 press 2
 press 0
 press 0
 press 8
 and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex
 letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while
 still holding down the Left-Alt key).

 PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY
 appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. (Most
 fonts do not.)

 Mike Wickham


 

  Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that’s
 the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc
 spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the
 Unicode  for it is x2008. I’ve tried (and had other people) try this,
 holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character
 that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.

  

 Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

 ** **

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[Christenson, Pat]

Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

Thanks.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
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[Lin Sims]

Number space: Esc++1
Em space: Esc++m
En space: Esc++n
Thin space: Esc++t

You probably want thin space.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat <
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com> wrote:

>  Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.
>
> ** **
>
> Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that?s the
> width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m
> for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode
> for it is x2008. I?ve tried (and had other people) try this, holding down
> Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks
> like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.
>
> ** **
>
> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
>
> ** **
>
> As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks.
>
> ** **
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> Resource Coordinator
>
> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
>
> PChristenson at ftportfolios.com
>
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And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only "special" spaces available, though, so if thin
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever
seeing one that was "the width of punctuation", and I doubt if there is
one, since how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the
mark in proportional spacing. For example, a "?" will take up more room
than a "!".

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
nothing. :)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Number space: Esc++1
> Em space: Esc++m
> En space: Esc++n
> Thin space: Esc++t
>
> You probably want thin space.
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat <
> PChristenson at ftportfolios.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that?s
>> the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc
>> spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the
>> Unicode  for it is x2008. I?ve tried (and had other people) try this,
>> holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character
>> that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Pat Christenson
>>
>> Resource Coordinator
>>
>> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
>>
>> PChristenson at ftportfolios.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
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[Christenson, Pat]

Hi Lin -

I found a lot of information on line and in Unicode, the punctuation space 
(Unicode 2008) is the same size as a comma or period so it's very useful in 
lining up columns of numbers. A numeric space is too large and a thin space is 
too small.

Maybe FrameMaker's support for Unicode isn't as complete as I thought? I'm on 
FrameMaker 10.

Thanks.

Pat


From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
To: Christenson, Pat
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only "special" spaces available, though, so if thin 
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing 
one that was "the width of punctuation", and I doubt if there is one, since how 
much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in proportional 
spacing. For example, a "?" will take up more room than a "!".

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got nothing. 
:)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com>> wrote:
Number space: Esc++1
Em space: Esc++m
En space: Esc++n
Thin space: Esc++t

You probably want thin space.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat mailto:PChristenson at ftportfolios.com>> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

Thanks.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com<mailto:PChristenson at ftportfolios.com>


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[Christenson, Pat]

BTW, the character can be created in a variable as \u2008. I just can't figure 
out any way to create it outside of a variable.

Pat


From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
To: Christenson, Pat
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.

I believe those are the only "special" spaces available, though, so if thin 
space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing 
one that was "the width of punctuation", and I doubt if there is one, since how 
much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in proportional 
spacing. For example, a "?" will take up more room than a "!".

If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got nothing. 
:)
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com>> wrote:
Number space: Esc++1
Em space: Esc++m
En space: Esc++n
Thin space: Esc++t

You probably want thin space.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat mailto:PChristenson at ftportfolios.com>> wrote:
Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.

Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?

As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!

Thanks.

Pat Christenson
Resource Coordinator
Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com<mailto:PChristenson at ftportfolios.com>


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[Lin Sims]

Hi Pat,

I don't think there's a keyboard shortcut that will do that, or at least
none I've ever found,  and I've been creating a quick reference for myself
lately on all the keyboard shortcuts I want to use, so I've looked at this
a bit.

I think the only way to insert a Unicode character like that is to use the
Character Palette. I've never been able to type those high Unicode
characters in with the number keypad; as far as I can tell, it only lets
you input ASCII codes, not Unicode. You'll also need a font that supports
full Unicode, such as Arial Unicode MS.

Why not just use the variable, if it works? Or write an ExtendScript
that'll insert the character without the variable? I've never used
ExtendScript, so I'm not sure how that would be done; however, there are
lots of people on this list who could probably help with that.

Lin

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Christenson, Pat <
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com> wrote:

>  BTW, the character can be created in a variable as \u2008. I just can?t
> figure out any way to create it outside of a variable.
>
> ** **
>
> Pat
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims.ml at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 1:05 PM
> *To:* Christenson, Pat
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Special character: punctuation space
>
> ** **
>
> And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.
>
>
> I believe those are the only "special" spaces available, though, so if
> thin space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever
> seeing one that was "the width of punctuation", and I doubt if there is
> one, since how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the
> mark in proportional spacing. For example, a "?" will take up more room
> than a "!".
>
> If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
> nothing. :)
>
>  On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> Number space: Esc++1
> Em space: Esc++m
> En space: Esc++n
> Thin space: Esc++t
>
> You probably want thin space.
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Christenson, Pat <
> PChristenson at ftportfolios.com> wrote:
>
>   Thanks for pointing me to bookvars.
>
>  
>
> Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that?s the
> width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m
> for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode
> for it is x2008. I?ve tried (and had other people) try this, holding down
> Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks
> like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
>
>  
>
> As always, you guys will almost certainly have the answer!
>
>  
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>
> Pat Christenson
>
> Resource Coordinator
>
> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
>
> PChristenson at ftportfolios.com
>
>  
>
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[Mike Wickham]

First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. 
It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click on it, 
choose New and then String to create a new string called 
"EnableHexNumpad" with a value of "1". (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. 
Don't forget to reboot!

Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the 
left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, 
and then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode 
character. Then release the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key 
does not work for this.)

So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
 press +
 press 2
 press 0
 press 0
 press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex 
letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while 
still holding down the Left-Alt key).

PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY 
appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. 
(Most fonts do not.)

Mike Wickham

> Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's 
> the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc 
> spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found 
> the Unicode  for it is x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try 
> this, holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a 
> character that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line 
> through it.
>
> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
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[Christenson, Pat]

Thanks, Mike. I didn't see anything about this online. You've been very helpful.

Pat


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 3:49 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Special character: punctuation space

First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad. It's 
turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click on it, choose New 
and then String to create a new string called "EnableHexNumpad" with a value of 
"1". (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!

Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the left-alt 
key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, and then (while 
still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode character. Then release 
the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key does not work for this.)

So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then 
(simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
press +
press 2
press 0
press 0
press 8
and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex letters a 
to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while still holding 
down the Left-Alt key).

PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY appear 
if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. (Most fonts do 
not.)

Mike Wickham


Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that's the 
width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc spacebar m for 
em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the Unicode  for it is 
x2008. I've tried (and had other people) try this, holding down Alt and typing 
2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character that looks like a long equal 
sign with a vertical line through it.

Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?


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[Lin Sims]

Yeah, really. I had no idea there even WAS a Unicode keypad. Very useful
knowledge that I intend to pass on to my coworkers. :)

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Christenson, Pat <
PChristenson at ftportfolios.com> wrote:

>  Thanks, Mike. I didn?t see anything about this online. You?ve been very
> helpful.
>
> ** **
>
> Pat
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Wickham
> *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 3:49 PM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Special character: punctuation space
>
>  ** **
>
> First, if you haven't already, you need to turn on the unicode keypad.
> It's turned off in Windows by default. Use regedit to find the key
> "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method". Right-click on it, choose
> New and then String to create a new string called "EnableHexNumpad" with a
> value of "1". (Don't type the quotes.) REBOOT. Don't forget to reboot!
>
>
> Now, you will be able to type unicode characters by holding down the
> left-alt key and simultaneously pressing the plus sign on the keypad, and
> then (while still holding down the left-alt key) enter the unicode
> character. Then release the left-alt key.  (Note that the right-alt key
> does not work for this.)
>
> So, for your example you would hold down your Left-Alt key, and then
> (simultaneously) on the numeric pad:
> press +
> press 2
> press 0
> press 0
> press 8
> and then release the Alt key.  Some Unicode characters have the hex
> letters a to f in them. Simply enter them from the main keyboard (while
> still holding down the Left-Alt key).
>
> PLEASE NOTE that the punctuation space that you want to enter will ONLY
> appear if the font you are using contains it as a defined character. (Most
> fonts do not.)
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
> 
>
>  Now a new question: I thought there was a way to insert a space that?s
> the width of punctuation, such as a period or comma (similar to Esc
> spacebar m for em space, Esc spacebar t for thin space, etc.). I found the
> Unicode  for it is x2008. I?ve tried (and had other people) try this,
> holding down Alt and typing 2008 on the numeric keypad. We get a character
> that looks like a long equal sign with a vertical line through it.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone know how to create a punctuation space in FrameMaker?
>
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>
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[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

The other space is the non-breaking space, which is a fixed space, and which (if
you are converting to HTML, stays a non-breaking space ().

Ctrl+space to enter
\ (backslash-space) to search/replace.

Grant

> On July 1, 2013 at 12:04 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
>  And if I'd read more closely, I'd have seen you knew how to do thin space.
> 
>  I believe those are the only "special" spaces available, though, so if thin
> space isn't what you want, you might try numeric. I don't recall ever seeing
> one that was "the width of punctuation", and I doubt if there is one, since
> how much space a mark of punctuation takes up depends on the mark in
> proportional spacing. For example, a "?" will take up more room than a "!".
> 
>  If thin space isn't what you want, try the numeric. Beyond that, I got
> nothing. :)
>  On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Lin Sims   > wrote:
>> > Number space: Esc++1
> >Em space: Esc++m
> >En space: Esc++n
> >Thin space: Esc++t
> > 
> >You probably want thin space.
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