anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-17 Thread mc...@allette.com.au
Fred said: > But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on > what your goals and objectives are. ... and went on to make several other excellent points. John said: > I think the single biggest obstacle to my adoption of Structured > FrameMaker has been exactly this sort

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-17 Thread mc...@allette.com.au
John wrote: > But all I get are: > > * Offerings from vendors claiming to be THE answer for all my needs even when they don't know what my needs may be. Yes, that fits the profile of a vendor all right. > * Endless extensive discussions from knowledgeable folk who tell me > all the grand

Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Milan Davidovic
--- Marcus Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you want to go to structured data? Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but that's a different topic. For the purposes of this topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound. And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for all

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Ridder, Fred
for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milan Davidovic Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:09 AM To: Frame Users Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame --- Marcus

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Milan Davidovic
--- Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your goals and objectives are. Would it be possible to discuss good ways rather than best ones and keep it all at a fairly high level? Or perhaps everything at the high level

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Borokowski
One reason many of us are strong supporters of best practices is that it not only gets users working faster, but provides a better introduction to the complete theory of how to use a tool. --- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to discuss good ways rather than best

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread John Sgammato
Fred said: But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your goals and objectives are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level reuse, then spending time learning about DITA would be a digression rather than

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread John Sgammato
all the grand glory of structure, but no answers at all. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chris Borokowski Sent: Fri 3/16/2007 10:47 AM To: Frame Users Subject: RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame One reason many of us are strong supporters

RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Daniel Emory
--- John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your goals and objectives are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level reuse, then spending time learning about DITA

Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread mcarr
Fred said: But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your goals and objectives are. ... and went on to make several other excellent points. John said: I think the single biggest obstacle to my adoption of Structured FrameMaker has been exactly this sort of

Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread mcarr
John wrote: But all I get are: * Offerings from vendors claiming to be THE answer for all my needs even when they don't know what my needs may be. Yes, that fits the profile of a vendor all right. * Endless extensive discussions from knowledgeable folk who tell me all the grand

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Marcus Carr
Milan Davidovic wrote: > I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start > working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a > move to Structured Frame. > > Let's imagine you're working in unstructured Frame, > and that present circumstances prevent you from making > the switch to

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Milan Davidovic
--- Marcus Carr wrote: > Why do you want to go to structured data? Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but that's a different topic. For the purposes of this topic, let's imagine that the reasons are sound. And in case I forget to mention it later, thanks for all your answers.

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Ridder, Fred
AM To: Frame Users Subject: Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame --- Marcus Carr wrote: > Why do you want to go to structured data? Good question (and good thoughts on the question), but that's a different topic. For the purposes of this topic, let's imagine that the reasons are so

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Milan Davidovic
--- "Ridder, Fred" wrote: > But the point remains that the best way to prepare > depends greatly on what your goals and objectives > are. Would it be possible to discuss "good" ways rather than "best" ones and keep it all at a fairly high level? Or perhaps everything at the high level has

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Chris Borokowski
One reason many of us are strong supporters of "best practices" is that it not only gets users working faster, but provides a better introduction to the complete theory of how to use a tool. --- Milan Davidovic wrote: > Would it be possible to discuss "good" ways rather > than "best" ones and

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread John Sgammato
Fred said: But the point remains that the best way to prepare depends greatly on what your goals and objectives are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level reuse, then spending time learning about DITA would be a digression rather than

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread John Sgammato
all the grand glory of structure, but no answers at all. From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Chris Borokowski Sent: Fri 3/16/2007 10:47 AM To: Frame Users Subject: RE: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame One

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-16 Thread Daniel Emory
--- John Sgammato wrote: > But the point remains that the best way to prepare > depends greatly on what your goals and objectives > are. Just as one example, if you are not planning to > adopt topic-oriented authoring and topic-level > reuse, then spending time learning about DITA would > be a

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Milan Davidovic
I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a move to Structured Frame. Let's imagine you're working in unstructured Frame, and that present circumstances prevent you from making the switch to Structured Frame. However, those circumstances

Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Yves Barbion
This is how I've done it: 1. Learn topic-based authoring, for example by taking some classes in structured writing or Information Mapping (IMAP). 2. Design Frame templates that support topic-based authoring. 3. Learn XML, at least XML for authors (not XML for developers). 4. Learn DITA

Re: anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Daniel Emory
--- Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a move to Structured Frame. 1. In your unstructured template, create paragraph, character, table, marker and

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Marcus Carr
Milan Davidovic wrote: I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a move to Structured Frame. Let's imagine you're working in unstructured Frame, and that present circumstances prevent you from making the switch to Structured Frame.

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Milan Davidovic
I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a move to Structured Frame. Let's imagine you're working in unstructured Frame, and that present circumstances prevent you from making the switch to Structured Frame. However, those circumstances

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Yves Barbion
This is how I've done it: 1. Learn topic-based authoring, for example by taking some classes in structured writing or Information Mapping (IMAP). 2. Design Frame templates that support topic-based authoring. 3. Learn XML, at least XML for authors (not XML for developers). 4. Learn

anticipating a move to Structrued Frame

2007-03-15 Thread Daniel Emory
--- Milan Davidovic wrote: > I'm looking for resources or advice on how to start > working in unstructured Frame in anticipation of a > move to Structured Frame. 1. In your unstructured template, create paragraph, character, table, marker and cross-reference tags