RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen real estate. - rant Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. /rant Thanks, Jess ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
PREACH IT sister! Not only is the Stalin gray interface fugly and depressing (and much darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen real estate. - rant Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. /rant Thanks, Jess ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
Not ready to go there, friends. Yes, the gray is drear, indeed -- total agreement on that point!! And, no, Adobe's first incarnation of customizable UIs for Frame that can be adjusted (and restored) on the fly isn't perfect. But I can do things with it I never could before, and, all in all, I think it's making my work in Frame faster and more comfortable. Same can be said for Illustrator CS5, too, BTW. RJ Jacquez has a pretty good video on this on the Adobe web site. (I think there's a link to it in the archives). It changed my perspective from being skeptical about the new UI to beginning to imagine the possibilities. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:50 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4 PREACH IT sister! Not only is the Stalin gray interface fugly and depressing (and much darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com * 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen real estate. - rant Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the imperative that Adobe products must all look the same to protect the brand, remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing branders) who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. /rant Thanks, Jess ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-cr eative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers
framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen real estate. - Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, Jess
framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
PREACH IT sister! Not only is the "Stalin gray" interface fugly and depressing (and much darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: > On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. > Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they > call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the > pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After > you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but > it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be > deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the > work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the > document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several > writers working on the project who complained about this problem. Also, > I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then to > reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just find > the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much screen > real estate. > > > - > > > > Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was > recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, > monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS > IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. > > There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in > programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of > colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours > and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The > precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what > it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. > > Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that > Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember > that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car > painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been > discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. > > I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic > designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming > influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show > them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY > experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the > artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. > > The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. > > > > Thanks, > Jess > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as tmuir at spot-on-creative.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4
Not ready to go there, friends. Yes, the gray is drear, indeed -- total agreement on that point!! And, no, Adobe's first incarnation of customizable UIs for Frame that can be adjusted (and restored) on the fly isn't perfect. But I can do things with it I never could before, and, all in all, I think it's making my work in Frame faster and more comfortable. Same can be said for Illustrator CS5, too, BTW. RJ Jacquez has a pretty good video on this on the Adobe web site. (I think there's a link to it in the archives). It changed my perspective from being skeptical about the new UI to beginning to imagine the possibilities. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:50 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: framers Digest, Vol 64, Issue 4 PREACH IT sister! Not only is the "Stalin gray" interface fugly and depressing (and much darker than Adobe's other fugly gray interfaces), the whole pod/docking behavior is incredibly time-wasting. Everything seems to want to glue itself into everything else! Maybe it's a sign of having become a dinosaur, but I find the cluttered multi-palette interface of v7 much faster to work with. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com * 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Davis, Jessica D. wrote: > On Stuart's rant, I want to add my distaste for the whole pod thing. > Not only has it taken me a long time to find a view (or whatever they > call it) that doesn't get in my way, there are some awful bugs in the > pods. Try deleting multiple variables or multiple conditions. After > you delete one, the next one in the list appears to be selected, but > it's not. Some other variable further down the list may actually be > deleted. And if you delete too many, Frame crashes. (BTW-the > work-around for both of these problems is to click in the body of the > document between each deletion.) And this not just me, we have several > writers working on the project who complained about this problem. > Also, I hate how easy it is to accidentally collapse a catalog. Then > to reopen it, you have expand it and drag it out of the pod. I just > find the whole interface clunky and cumbersome and taking up too much > screen real estate. > > > - > > > > Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who > was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, > monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It > GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. > > There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in > programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception > of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by > colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design > program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the > GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. > > Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that > Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember > that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car > painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been > discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. > > I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic > designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had > overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and > politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts > and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that > the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. > > The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. > > > > Thanks, > Jess > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as tmuir at spot-on-creative.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-cr > eative.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
