I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be a
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM
To: An email list
One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so
there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still
chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on
well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine
How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because there
wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into a
When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I just
It may be necessary for IT and Adobe to work together to enable FrameMaker,
since Adobe requires the "phone home" and IT controls that capability. If
that isn't possible, then no, there is no way to open or edit the
FrameMaker documents you already have.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:26 PM wrote:
If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this.
Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that.
Without a working application installed, everything else is moot.
Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion.
Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF,
and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then
copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a
Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue. I
got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their edits.
The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be installed on
a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could
use Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word,
with all the styles intact.
Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM
This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has
come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want
to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> Hi, John:
> My point was that if the company
The application to use for exporting FrameMaker files to a format that is
compatible with some other tool is FrameMaker. Absent that, there may be no
From: Framers on
behalf of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:57 PM
To: An email
I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT
people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a
FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary
format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used
to be you
My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an
early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID
Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the
corporate network, and
This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
application for migration.
Adobe provides the ability to use FrameMaker to export to a number of
different formats that are useable by other applications, including export
into Word. It's hardly their responsibility to get other companies to
create import filters for Adobe proprietary formats.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:12
I cannot install or download anything.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:45 AM Lea Rush wrote:
> How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?
> Lea Rush
> Senior Software and Documentation Specialist
I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks FM's
butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
What do I know. Thanks everyone
Behalf Of Scott
I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth <
> I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM &
> creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the
No no No no No no
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:54 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from
unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files.
You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same
problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the
way to XML, and
Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within
reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would
need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my
Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent
directly may have gotten caught in a spam filter.
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From: Lin Sims
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
How does this
Trados S-Tagger can convert FM files to rtf with formatting tags to be used for
translation purposes. You then import back the translated text into FM and get
back all the formatting. I don't know if you can export it from S-Tagger into
another program but at least you would get the text out.
MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require
some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see.
Same story for RoboHelp.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada wrote:
> Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
> installed on their network.
If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM wrote:
> I'd think a vendor would say
I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & creating
MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the question too?
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM
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In recent exports from Adobe, styles were kept, but maybe you need the
whole program, not just Acrobat reader
בתאריך יום ב׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2019, 19:50, מאת :
> Thanks Lin.
> I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be
> a liability.
For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an
advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured
FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide
to move away from FrameMaker in the future.
Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to
XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training
time, you know the drill.
It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a
hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him
Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If
FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why
wouldn't they want it installed on their network?
No, there is no
As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among
other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation
needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an
How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I
won't need to go back to FM on these
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi John,
> Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company,
> but the people that don't like FM
Dumb question, not being integrally familiar with FM's version history, but
with what version did the "phone home for activation" requirement start? I
didn't think it was until the last few versions. Is there a perpetually
licensed FM version that doesn't phone home that you could get by with
I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and
uncalled for. Please forgive me, John.
From: Framers On
Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:09 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
No worries, man...all good.
Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
Subject: Re: [Framers]
You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and
MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the
content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in
FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF, archive
Have you talked to Adobe? Your situation is far from unique, maybe they
have a solution for you?
On 2019-02-11 16:08, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:
As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among other
reasons, they have issues with any application where
Here's the deal.
I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50,
with some books 500-600 pages each.
Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be
reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were
unsuccessful in getting FM11
Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM
installed on their network.
Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM
11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book
Lol - nope!
Of John Posada
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed
How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling?
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