Re: [Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Ragnar HanĂ¥s
Trados S-Tagger can convert FM files to rtf with formatting tags to be used for 
translation purposes. You then import back the translated text into FM and get 
back all the formatting. I don't know if you can export it from S-Tagger into 
another program but at least you would get the text out. I'm still with FM 7.2 
doing a good job for me.
Ragnar Hanas
Sweden 

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+ragnar.hanas=betamed...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 22:57
To: Frame Users 
Subject: [Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent directly 
may have gotten caught in a spam filter.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Lin Sims 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
To: 


How does this sound to you?

One of the participants on the Frameusers list is asking if there are any 
applications that can import a FrameMaker binary file for the purpose of 
editing it. The company is an anti-money-laundering company (AML) and doesn't 
want to have programs on its network that have to "call home" for 
authentication.


For whatever reason, they've been unable to get either his previous version of 
Frame (11) to work or to get the most recent version (2019) to work, but I am 
unclear as to why they haven't been able to.


They are no longer using Frame at his place of business, so all new work is in 
a different application. However, he still needs to be able to update old files 
and convert them into the new format.


I am unaware of any application that can import .fm files, but that doesn't 
mean they don't exist. I'm hoping someone here either knows of one or can help 
provide him with a way to get either his old or new version of Frame working 
without the need of an internet connection to authenticate it.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM  wrote:

> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, 
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is 
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new 
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the 
> information conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that 
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but 
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have 
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate 
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that 
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who 
> > > are FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold 
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would 
> > >> have to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone 
> > >> home to Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are 
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks 
> > >> on the list think is th

[Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent
directly may have gotten caught in a spam filter.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Lin Sims 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
To: 


How does this sound to you?

One of the participants on the Frameusers list is asking if there are any
applications that can import a FrameMaker binary file for the purpose of
editing it. The company is an anti-money-laundering company (AML) and
doesn't want to have programs on its network that have to "call home" for
authentication.


For whatever reason, they've been unable to get either his previous version
of Frame (11) to work or to get the most recent version (2019) to work, but
I am unclear as to why they haven't been able to.


They are no longer using Frame at his place of business, so all new work is
in a different application. However, he still needs to be able to update
old files and convert them into the new format.


I am unaware of any application that can import .fm files, but that doesn't
mean they don't exist. I'm hoping someone here either knows of one or can
help provide him with a way to get either his old or new version of Frame
working without the need of an internet connection to authenticate it.

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM  wrote:

> Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time.
>
> Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know,
> within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)...
> All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there.
> You can use my name, but you cannot use my bank's name.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
>
> If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is
> aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new
> format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information
> conveyed?
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM  wrote:
>
> > I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that
> > kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files.
> >
> > What do I know. Thanks everyone
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:12 PM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files
> >
> > This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but
> > typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have
> > FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format.
> >
> > FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate
> > application for migration.
> >
> > ...scott
> >
> >
> > On 2/11/19 10:57 AM, John Posada wrote:
> > > This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that
> > > nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are
> > > FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, John:
> > >>
> > >> My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have
> > >> to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to
> > >> Adobe. I use ID
> > >> CS6 standalone/non-subscription.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are
> > >> acceptable on the corporate network, and which of them do folks on
> > >> the list think is the best one to migrate to, so as to avoid having
> > >> to slog through this effort going forward?
> > >>
> > >> Despite its age, FrameMaker is still a great tool for the task of
> > >> technical writing and publishing. However, security issues in the
> > >> computing environments where it's used have become serious
> > >> considerations, so, to wit:, hence, therefore, and etc.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:26 PM  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's
> > >>> the
> > >> issue.
> > >>> I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to
> > >>> make their edits.
> > >>>
> > >>> The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be
> > >>> installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by
> > >> connecting
> > >>> to Adobe, and that's a problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW...all Adobe products do that, so bring ID into the equation
> > >>> does nothing.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=
> > >>>