Dear all,
FM 7.2 starts very slow compared to 7.1 - what may be the reason?
Machine: 3 GHz, 1GB RAM, drives C[System[ and H[Programs] are on an SATA 100
disk
OS XP SP2 with all automatic updates
FM in both cases with Shlomo Perets' toolbar
location
At 11:16 -0700 18/5/06, Daniel Emory wrote:
Nevertheless, this issue about numbering of titled headings, tables and
graphics seems to come up frequently. It's a valid issue, and it deserves more
discussion on the list.
Surely the answer here is 'horses for courses'? There are many areas where
Hi Laura,
When you run into a problem or are trying to learn a new feature and things
(e.g., the help) don't make sense, please send a message to this list. I
can almost guarantee that you'll have several answers within a few hours, or
at least within 24. I've been on the list for 14 years and
I work for a VERY large, nationwide government contractor. ALL of the
documentation within the company - literally a billion pages or more - uses
numbered headings. Yes, some of the docs are written by engineers to other
engineers, but much of the product documentation goes to the customers,
At 3:10 AM -0700 5/19/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
ALL of the
documentation within the company - literally a billion pages or more - uses
numbered headings. Yes, some of the docs are written by engineers to other
engineers, but much of the product documentation goes to the customers, most
of whom
Word is also a memory hog. It uses more than twice as much RAM as FM at
launch and sucks up more as time goes on. It often runs out of memory and
sends error messages about no longer letting you undo anything. If you are
working in a Word doc over 150 pages or so, you are definitely taking
Klaus,
My machine is similar in configuration to yours and Frame 7.2 loads in
about 10 seconds. (7.1 is no longer on this machine.)
In my case, Fonts also takes the longest time to load (about 7 seconds
for a couple hundred fonts).
Thanks,
Don.
Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist
Framers,
I think the new fonts supplied with Frame 7.2 (and 7.1) could do with better
documentation.
When I received my FM7.2 upgrade I knew it was supplied with a new set of fonts
so I looked on the CD but couldn't find them anywhere.
After inspecting my FM7.2 installation I found them all
Chuck
I regularly have the same problem, mainly in documents imported from
Word. Search works for 7 pages, then finds nothing more. I have no idea
as to the cause of the problem (it is beyond my capacity to dive into
word bugs, FrameMaker find bugs, and bugs resulting from the interaction
of
Here is a recent piece from informit.com's Productivity Applications
articles (http://tinyurl.com/pt6fr) on working with long docs.
Obviously, we won't agree on all of the tips, but hey -- one size does
not always fit all! g
Grant
=
Word 2003:
=
Word 2003: Six Slick Tricks for Long Docs
snip
3. Use a Master Document
Now *there's* a piece of advice I will *never*, *EVER* follow.
I lost a week of my life to retyping (and re-drawing figures for)
an entire product manual that
Hi,
Thank you to everyone who gave me help and advice with this one. Thought
you might be interested to know how it finished.
In the job options, I set the Color Management Policies to Convert All
Colors to CMYK. I didn't do any post-processing on the pdf file and the
printer is very happy with
I appreciate everyone's feedback on this issue. I have learned a lot.
So here's the long and short of what I did.
After taking the numbered heads out of a very technical manual, my
engineers asked me to put them back in. I talked to the software manager
and he said that for this manual,
Hello Framers,
I will soon be converting my Mac Frame 7 documents to Frame 7 on the
PC. My Mac is getting old and the organization wants the jobs on PC.
My documents are both published (web-press) from high resolution PDFs
and posted on the web as Web-ready PDFs. With no other help available
All,
If I have a table that spans more than one page, I naturally use this
variable in the Table Title. Well, we have a new editor on board that came
from a journalism background, not software documentation background, and
her mantra is nice, tight copy . . .So, no it's not copy - it's
I agree with most of what you have said about Word. For large documents,
you are often better off using a piece a cardboard and a crayon than
having to resort to Word. However, I've found that Word's autonumbering
feature works better than most people (including me) have complained
about. I used
Hi, Tammy:
If it's not specified in the corporate style guide (if there is one)
or the industry style guide, the next line of defense is how does it
help the user not to know whether the visible portion of the table on
the current page or spread is the beginning or in the middle?
At 10:13
Bingo - you're like the 10th response along these lines and nope, it's not
in the style guide (it's under development), so it's with this type of
argument that I will submit my request to put this in the style guide.
Thanks Peter, et. al.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Jeppesen
Oh, I agree!!! Word's 'Master docs' are from one of the sub-basements of
hell.
A disused one at that, to judge how little effort has apparently gone
into fixing the long-known problems of that feature.
I almost did not send the post on because of that suggestion, but the
others in it made sense,
I just got blindsided by Microsoft and thought I'd share a warning:
The Pack and Go feature in Powerpoint allows you to compress a
presentation along with Powerpoint Viewer software so that the
presentation can be displayed on a PC that does not have Powerpoint
installed.
The Viewer
I wanted to print pages five through six, letter-size, duplex. I'm
expecting to see a single sheet, printed on both sides. Well, the
printer offers a few sheets double-sided with four pages per side, the
pages views are reduced to fit four per side. The printed pages start at
page five and
At 08:34 -0600 19/5/06, Grant Hogarth wrote:
3. Use a Master Document
Afaik it is universally agreed in the Word community that master documents are
irretrievably broken
--
Steve
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wrote:
Surely the answer here is 'horses for courses'?
There are many areas where numbering is either
appropriate or essential (engineering manuals,legal
documents, political documents, medical documents,
repair manuals, ya-de-yah), and others where it is
Sorry for the bother, I finally noticed that somehow, the print
thumbnails box was checked in the print menu.
Martin
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Behalf Of Martin Simon
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:50 AM
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Subject: Printing
While my 16-file book was open and I had updated content in about four
files, I somehow got out of the book. The window showed all other files
except the book. I saved all files individually with original names, created
a new book and put all the files in the book there and called it new book.
Hi, Diane.
Diane Gaskill wrote:
Word is also a memory hog. It uses more than twice as much RAM as FM at
launch and sucks up more as time goes on. It often runs out of memory and
sends error messages about no longer letting you undo anything. If you are
working in a Word doc over 150 pages or
Hi Lin,
The great realization I had about Word is that the autonumbering feature
is NOT an attribute of the paragraph style like it is in FrameMaker.
Instead, think of the paragraph styles as being attributes of the
autonumbering feature. In turn, think of the autonumbering as an
attribute of the
On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400, Beck, Charles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
function. That
Charles--
Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker?
That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older
version involved?
Some of our team will be
Jon Harvey wrote:
Hi Lin,
The great realization I had about Word is that the autonumbering feature
is NOT an attribute of the paragraph style like it is in FrameMaker.
Instead, think of the paragraph styles as being attributes of the
autonumbering feature. In turn, think of the autonumbering as
From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regrettably, Jon, it sounds from McGhie's explanation that even your
exhaustively careful preparation of numbering will not immunize you from
all risks of numbering disaster. Apparently all you have to do is copy some
numbered (or just bulleted!) content
I've tried using the SEQ field codes in Word and, your right, it does
work pretty well. However, I found it difficult to maintain. It can be
time consuming to update larger documents. Once done tho, it is pretty
reliable.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL
From: Jeremy H. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
The drawback WRT maintenance in Word is that you have to
copy the SEQ fields from another para of the same type, or
painfully recreate them by hand, for new paras; you can't
include SEQ fields (or bullets) in the para format as such.
Back in
Dear all,
FM 7.2 starts very slow compared to 7.1 - what may be the reason?
Machine: 3 GHz, 1GB RAM, drives C[System[ and H[Programs] are on an SATA 100
disk
OS XP SP2 with all automatic updates
FM in both cases with Shlomo Perets' toolbar
location
At 11:16 -0700 18/5/06, Daniel Emory wrote:
>Nevertheless, this issue about numbering of titled headings, tables and
>graphics seems to come up frequently. It's a valid issue, and it deserves more
>discussion on the list.
Surely the answer here is 'horses for courses'? There are many areas
Hi Laura,
When you run into a problem or are trying to learn a new feature and things
(e.g., the help) don't make sense, please send a message to this list. I
can almost guarantee that you'll have several answers within a few hours, or
at least within 24. I've been on the list for 14 years and
I work for a VERY large, nationwide government contractor. ALL of the
documentation within the company - literally a billion pages or more - uses
numbered headings. Yes, some of the docs are written by engineers to other
engineers, but much of the product documentation goes to the customers,
At 3:10 AM -0700 5/19/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
> ALL of the
>documentation within the company - literally a billion pages or more - uses
>numbered headings. Yes, some of the docs are written by engineers to other
>engineers, but much of the product documentation goes to the customers, most
>of
Word is also a memory hog. It uses more than twice as much RAM as FM at
launch and sucks up more as time goes on. It often runs out of memory and
sends error messages about no longer letting you undo anything. If you are
working in a Word doc over 150 pages or so, you are definitely taking
Klaus,
My machine is similar in configuration to yours and Frame 7.2 loads in
about 10 seconds. (7.1 is no longer on this machine.)
In my case, "Fonts" also takes the longest time to load (about 7 seconds
for a couple hundred fonts).
Thanks,
Don.
Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist
Hi fellow Framers,
Got a new one I've never seen before: One of my local colleagues is
working with a Frame file he inherited somewhere along the line. He did
a search for a string that he *knows* is in the file. If the cursor is
in the particular section where the string is when he starts the
Charles Beck wrote:
> Got a new one I've never seen before: One of my local colleagues is
> working with a Frame file he inherited somewhere along the
> line. He did
> a search for a string that he *knows* is in the file. If the cursor is
> in the particular section where the string is when he
Framers,
I think the new fonts supplied with Frame 7.2 (and 7.1) could do with better
documentation.
When I received my FM7.2 upgrade I knew it was supplied with a new set of fonts
so I looked on the CD but couldn't find them anywhere.
After inspecting my FM7.2 installation I found them all
Don Rinderknecht wrote:
> My machine is similar in configuration to yours and Frame 7.2
> loads in about 10 seconds. (7.1 is no longer on this machine.)
> In my case, "Fonts" also takes the longest time to load (about 7
> seconds for a couple hundred fonts).
I just timed my machine (Pentium M,
Hi again all,
Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,
including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
interest to the rest of the group.
The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
imported MS Word content in the file.
Chuck
I regularly have the same problem, mainly in documents imported from
Word. Search works for 7 pages, then finds nothing more. I have no idea
as to the cause of the problem (it is beyond my capacity to dive into
word bugs, FrameMaker find bugs, and bugs resulting from the interaction
of
At 05:11 -0700 19/5/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
>The Word autonumbering bug is horrendous to put it nicely. Bulleted and
>numbered lists are reformatted for you while you sleep (whether you want
>them to be or not). When you open the doc again, numbers have changed to
>bullets, numeric lists are
Here is a recent piece from informit.com's "Productivity Applications"
articles (http://tinyurl.com/pt6fr) on working with long docs.
Obviously, we won't agree on all of the tips, but hey -- one size does
not always fit all!
Grant
=
Word 2003:
Hello all,
we managed to get the proper CE characters in FrameMaker (XML), but now the
tcaron won't print to PDF. It prints to our postscript printer, but in the pdf
there is an empty space. We print to adobe pdf (Acr. 6) printer. What can be
the cause it won't print? Used font is
>=
>Word 2003: Six Slick Tricks for Long Docs
>3. Use a Master Document
Now *there's* a piece of advice I will *never*, *EVER* follow.
I lost a week of my life to retyping (and re-drawing figures for)
an entire product manual that the
Hi,
Thank you to everyone who gave me help and advice with this one. Thought
you might be interested to know how it finished.
In the job options, I set the Color Management Policies to Convert All
Colors to CMYK. I didn't do any post-processing on the pdf file and the
printer is very happy with
I appreciate everyone's feedback on this issue. I have learned a lot.
So here's the long and short of what I did.
After taking the numbered heads out of a very technical manual, my
engineers asked me to put them back in. I talked to the software manager
and he said that for this manual, (which
Hello Framers,
I will soon be converting my Mac Frame 7 documents to Frame 7 on the
PC. My Mac is getting old and the organization wants the jobs on PC.
My documents are both published (web-press) from high resolution PDFs
and posted on the web as Web-ready PDFs. With no other help available
All,
If I have a table that spans more than one page, I naturally use this
variable in the Table Title. Well, we have a new editor on board that came
from a journalism background, not software documentation background, and
her mantra is "nice, tight copy" . . .So, no it's not copy - it's
I agree with most of what you have said about Word. For large documents,
you are often better off using a piece a cardboard and a crayon than
having to resort to Word. However, I've found that Word's autonumbering
feature works better than most people (including me) have complained
about. I used
Hi, Tammy:
If it's not specified in the corporate style guide (if there is one)
or the industry style guide, the next line of defense is "how does it
help the user not to know whether the visible portion of the table on
the current page or spread is the beginning or in the middle?"
At 10:13
Hi Mary...
I'm sure there are others with first hand experience on this move .. but
regarding plugins, you can review the list of all (currently 96) known
(to me) FM plugins using our ToolSearch database at ..
http://leximation.com/toolsearch/?os=WIN=P=FM
Good luck with the move!
Bingo - you're like the 10th response along these lines and nope, it's not
in the style guide (it's under development), so it's with this type of
"argument" that I will submit my request to put this in the style guide.
Thanks Peter, et. al.
TVB
Tammy Van Boening
Senior Technical Writer
Oh, I agree!!! Word's 'Master docs' are from one of the sub-basements of
hell.
A disused one at that, to judge how little effort has apparently gone
into fixing the long-known problems of that "feature".
I almost did not send the post on because of that suggestion, but the
others in it made
I just got blindsided by Microsoft and thought I'd share a warning:
The Pack and Go feature in Powerpoint allows you to compress a
presentation along with Powerpoint Viewer software so that the
presentation can be displayed on a PC that does not have Powerpoint
installed.
The Viewer software
I wanted to print pages five through six, letter-size, duplex. I'm
expecting to see a single sheet, printed on both sides. Well, the
printer offers a few sheets double-sided with four pages per side, the
pages views are reduced to fit four per side. The printed pages start at
page five and
At 08:34 -0600 19/5/06, Grant Hogarth wrote:
>3. Use a Master Document
Afaik it is universally agreed in the Word community that master documents are
irretrievably broken
--
Steve
--- Steve Rickaby
wrote:
> Surely the answer here is 'horses for courses'?
> There are many areas where numbering is either
> appropriate or essential (engineering manuals,legal
> documents, political documents, medical documents,
> repair manuals, ya-de-yah), and others where it is
> not. Legal
There is a similar set for FM 7.1 too.
Peter
Original Message
When I received my FM7.2 upgrade I knew it was supplied with a new set of fonts
so I looked on the CD but couldn't find
them anywhere.
After inspecting my FM7.2 installation I found
Sorry for the bother, I finally noticed that somehow, the print
thumbnails box was checked in the print menu.
Martin
-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+martin.simon=wetdesign@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+martin.simon=wetdesign.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On
While my 16-file book was open and I had updated content in about four
files, I somehow got out of the book. The window showed all other files
except the book. I saved all files individually with original names, created
a new book and put all the files in the book there and called it "new book".
Ren: See, now if this user had only *read the PowerPoint manual*, he'd
know about this and...
Stimpy: But Ren, Powerpoint doesn't *have* a manual!
Ren: Shut up, you eeediot!
Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are
Hi, Diane.
Diane Gaskill wrote:
> Word is also a memory hog. It uses more than twice as much RAM as FM at
> launch and sucks up more as time goes on. It often runs out of memory and
> sends error messages about no longer letting you undo anything. If you are
> working in a Word doc over 150
Hi Lin,
The great realization I had about Word is that the autonumbering feature
is NOT an attribute of the paragraph style like it is in FrameMaker.
Instead, think of the paragraph styles as being attributes of the
autonumbering feature. In turn, think of the autonumbering as an
attribute of the
On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0400, "Beck, Charles"
wrote:
>The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
>imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
>include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
>function. That was the case
Charles--
Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker?
That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in through
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?
And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older
version involved?
Some of our team will be
Jon Harvey wrote:
> Hi Lin,
>
> The great realization I had about Word is that the autonumbering feature
> is NOT an attribute of the paragraph style like it is in FrameMaker.
> Instead, think of the paragraph styles as being attributes of the
> autonumbering feature. In turn, think of the
>From: Stuart Rogers
>Regrettably, Jon, it sounds from McGhie's explanation that even your
>exhaustively careful preparation of numbering will not immunize you from
>all risks of numbering disaster. Apparently all you have to do is copy some
>numbered (or just bulleted!) content from another
> In my experience with Word, the only truly reliable way to
> handle numbering in Word is to avoid the autonumber feature
> altogether and instead roll your own with the SEQ field code,
Right, but the fact is, it's obviously *supposed* to work somehow, isn't
it?
You're not supposed to have
I've tried using the SEQ field codes in Word and, your right, it does
work pretty well. However, I found it difficult to maintain. It can be
time consuming to update larger documents. Once done tho, it is pretty
reliable.
-Original Message-
From:
I'm not sure I see why it matters, Anne. A broken feature is
a broken feature, no matter how you access it and try to control
it. As Stuart points out, you can follow Jon's carefully designed
series of 17 steps and still have autonumbering that can be broken
by a simple editing operation. It's a
I agree. What I've been able to do is create autonumbered documents that
seem to hold better than a house of cards. I still can't build a
fortress tho. There's always gonna be someone who can mess it up. It's
not necessarily because they are careless either. Microsoft has tried so
hard to
On Fri, 19 May 2006 17:21:46 -0400, "Fred Ridder"
wrote:
>>From: Stuart Rogers
>
>>Regrettably, Jon, it sounds from McGhie's explanation that even your
>>exhaustively careful preparation of numbering will not immunize you from
>>all risks of numbering disaster. Apparently all you have to do
>From: "Jeremy H. Griffith"
>The drawback WRT maintenance in Word is that you have to
>copy the SEQ fields from another para of the same type, or
>painfully recreate them by hand, for new paras; you can't
>include SEQ fields (or bullets) in the para format as such.
Back in the days when our
Dear Framers:
I am working on a job where i keep running into
this problem which is driving me nuts. Especially
since I know I used to be able to solve it...
Simply put: when i make an adjustment to a
paragraph tag--change the font size or the margins
FM makes a Tag1, with the second change
I
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