Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Am 12.09.2008 um 00:17 schrieb Peter Gold: Hi, Dov: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a replacement for FrameMaker. Yes, over time

Frame 8 and Text Edit Tracking

2008-09-12 Thread David Spreadbury
Using Frame 8, is possible, with the Text Edit Tracking feature, to collect statistics on the changes in a document?   From the Frame 8 Reviewer's Guide it looks like this is possible. If you compare version one of a document against version two, the updated version, of the same document, Frame

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Dov Isaacs
Graeme, Don't count on getting that extra activation. The EULA is quite clear in terms of how many systems - two - you may simultaneously install and activate simultaneously and that you may legally only execute on one of those at any time. I hardly see how your request is related to natural

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread John Sgammato
Adobe (and many other companies) must learn that many writers use products on different computers at different times, and their approach puts hurdles in the way of honest customers. There must be a technological way to prevent the same application from being used by two different people at the

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Kelly McDaniel
Respectfuilly, That is the solution, not a policy that fails adapt to today's technological reality...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sgammato Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:48 AM To: Dov Isaacs; framers; Graeme

Greek Characters in Frame dialog boxes

2008-09-12 Thread Paul Kent
Maxwell, I saw a post in yesterday's digest (from Milan D)asking about an unanswered post from you regarding pasting Greek characters into Frame dialog boxes (indexing in your case, I think). I had a similar post some time ago and one of the responses I got suggested that tho the characters

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Dov Isaacs
FWIW, the current implementation actually allows more than two installations, but limits activation to two systems. Conceivably, you could deactivate the first system, activate the third, and when done with the third, deactivate it and reactivate the first. Sure there is a way of assuring that a

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Michael O'Neill
OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level

Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Art Campbell
The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to be a single row. Yes,

RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Kristy Nolan
What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey background? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael O'Neill Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM To: framers Subject: Smart way to achieve goal in FM OK Folks,

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread martin . smith
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage licenses: what about running Frame from a Citrix server? Is this an option that Adobe supports for large installations? Just curious, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com ___

RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Fred Ridder
Kristy Nolan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested: What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey background? If that background in the source document is achieved via the master page, it is not imported as part of a text inset. Text insets only pull in the text that is in

RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Combs, Richard
Michael O'Neill wrote: Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can break a row across a page. This is the best solution, IMHO.

Re: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread quills
I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow or force row/table

RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Kelly McDaniel
As someone who has faced that issue at a former job (users running our single-license pkg on Citrix) I would think not. As I recall, the well-written EULA contains language that prohibits serving a single-seat license to multiple clients...Kelly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Michael O'Neill
Thanks everyone, for the suggestions! I went with the single-column, multiple rows table approach. Now I get to beat WWP into submission! -Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:34 PM To: Michael O'Neill Cc:

ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Callie Bertsche
Hi Framaniacs ;) I generate 10+ manuals from FrameMaker 7.2 into PDFs, with extensive single sourcing material. Currently, I've been using WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1 (I just did an old maintenance upgrade to 9.2, actually) to generate several thousand help pages (between different

RE: ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Sharon Burton
***Vendor post*** We just released Flare 4, which will do everything I suspect you need and more. You can download a trial version at www.madcapsoftware.com and sign up for a demo, if you want. The demo is good, in that it will shows you some of what the product does. We can certainly

RE: ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Sullivan
I suspect for less than that upgrade to ePubPro you can get the full Technical Communication Suite, and have Captivate Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to boot. The TCS integration was developed to handle your Frame files by reference, easily handles your variables and conditions as defined in Frame.

Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hardly see how your request is related to natural justice any more or less than a request to also allow simultaneous activation of the same license of FrameMaker on computers used by other members of your family. rant

Re: ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:58:51 -0700, Callie Bertsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Have other products sharpened their competitive edge since our last tool decision (a few years ago)? For instance, comparisons with MadCap or Flare? In considering a new product, I know immediately I value the

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Am 12.09.2008 um 00:17 schrieb Peter Gold: > Hi, Dov: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: >> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, >> InDesign >> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for >> FrameMaker." >> >> Yes, over time

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Well, I've started to move from FM to ID, so that I do not remain forever stuck with G5 hardware and Tiger. It's with immense reluctance that I reward Adobe with more purchases after they dropped MacFM...no, let's not get started on that. The ID learning curve is much steeper. I bought FM3

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Amnon Yaish
Graeme, Are you using any xml / structured functionality on ID ? Does ID have anything comparable to a FM edd ? Amnon. Graeme R Forbes (Graeme.Forbes at Colorado.EDU) said on 12/09/08 at 2:18 : >Well, I've started to move from FM to ID, so that I do not remain >forever stuck with G5

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Graeme, FrameMaker now has "activation" with version 8. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > One really maddening issue is "activation". A single-user license > only lets you have 2 activations, so if like me you have a home > desktop, an office desktop,

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Am 12.09.2008 um 10:44 schrieb Amnon Yaish: > Does ID have > anything comparable to a FM edd ? A FrameMaker EDD is: validating structure rules combined with context- aware, automatic, ready-for-print formatting. InDesign has nothing like that. If you (just) use an EDD to format XML documents

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Art Campbell
As interesting as the thread on XML is (and it is), the OP didn't ask anything about, or related to, XML. So we're experiencing some basic thread drift. He's asking about moving from a technical publishing tool to a design-driven tool, but not providing any details on why, or what features he

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Peter Gold
This time I agree fully with Art! On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > As interesting as the thread on XML is (and it is), the OP didn't ask > anything about, or related to, XML. So we're experiencing some basic > thread drift. > > He's asking about moving from a technical

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread John Sgammato
I would love to know more from a slightly different angle: I am a sort of InDesign "weekend warrior". I use InDesign for some side projects that I do for fun. They'd be more fun if I could use more of my FM skills... For example, I guess there is a plug-in that can handle cross references?

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Scott White
This question goes back to what is the final output suppose to be? If it is a b-c solution where eye appeal is needed to attract a sale or something, then InDesign may be the way to go. If it is a b-b model where the final output is for information or for status reports or something like

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Milan Davidovic
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:59 AM, John Sgammato wrote: > For example, I guess there is a plug-in that can handle cross references? > That would be helpful, but I don't know what it is or how to get it. Try http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=crin (only heard of it, haven't used it) --

Frame 8 and Text Edit Tracking

2008-09-12 Thread David Spreadbury
Using Frame 8, is possible, with the Text Edit Tracking feature, to collect statistics on the changes in a document? ? >From the Frame 8 Reviewer's Guide it looks like this is possible. If you >compare version one of a document against version two, the updated version,?of >the same document,

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Dov Isaacs
Graeme, Don't count on getting that extra activation. The EULA is quite clear in terms of how many systems - two - you may simultaneously install and activate simultaneously and that you may legally only execute on one of those at any time. I hardly see how your request is related to "natural

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread John Sgammato
Adobe (and many other companies) must learn that many writers use products on different computers at different times, and their approach puts hurdles in the way of honest customers. There must be a technological way to prevent the same application from being used by two different people at the

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Kelly McDaniel
Respectfuilly, That is the solution, not a policy that fails adapt to today's technological reality...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato Sent: Friday, September 12,

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Michael O'Neill
OK Folks, Here's a basic question for the gurus/experts. I've been using FM for a number of years now, but recently I'm trying to do something that I haven't done before so I'm not sure of the best way to achieve my objective. Context: The document I am authoring from scratch is an entry-level

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Art Campbell
The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow or force row/table breaks across pages is to use a multi-row single column table with reasonable size text snippets in each row. Then use custom ruling to eliminate the inter-row rules so that it appears to be a single row. Yes,

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Kristy Nolan
What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey background? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael O'Neill Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:03 PM To: framers Subject:

InDesign as a replacement for FrameMaker

2008-09-12 Thread David Creamer
> Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into > InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features > (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign > won't satisfy your needs. Adobe is going to be unveiling CS4

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread martin.sm...@golehtek.com
Regarding the need to run Frame on multiple computers and manage licenses: what about running Frame from a Citrix server? Is this an option that Adobe supports for large installations? Just curious, Martin Martin R. Smith www.golehtek.com

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Fred Ridder
Kristy Nolan (Kristy.Nolan at wnco.com) suggested: > What about a text inset, where the source document has the light grey > background? If that background in the source document is achieved via the master page, it is not imported as part of a text inset. Text insets only pull in the text that

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Combs, Richard
Michael O'Neill wrote: > Inserting a one-cell table with a gray background wherever this type of > content appears. Problem (which may have its own solution): The one > cell table is essentially 1 row, and it doesn't appear that you can > break a row across a page. This is the best solution,

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread qui...@airmail.net
I'd make a table format and set it up that way. Then you don't have any manual operations other than adding an additional row cell to break across pages. Scott At 2:08 PM -0400 9/12/08, Art Campbell wrote: >The way I'd deal with it is your table method. The usual way to allow >or force

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Kelly McDaniel
As someone who has faced that issue at a former job (users running our single-license pkg on Citrix) I would think not. As I recall, the well-written EULA contains language that prohibits serving a single-seat license to multiple clients...Kelly. -Original Message- From:

Smart way to achieve goal in FM

2008-09-12 Thread Michael O'Neill
Thanks everyone, for the suggestions! I went with the single-column, multiple rows table approach. Now I get to beat WWP into submission! -Michael -Original Message- From: quills at airmail.net [mailto:qui...@airmail.net] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:34 PM To: Michael O'Neill

Reference graphic to Character format

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Sullivan
A common solution would be to create a font (Fontographer, etc.) that contains your graphics assigned to individual characters. Use the appropriate letter, apply the character format, and you are done. (assuming you can output the font wherever needed...) -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. 714

ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Callie Bertsche
Hi Framaniacs ;) I generate 10+ manuals from FrameMaker 7.2 into PDFs, with extensive single sourcing material. Currently, I've been using WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1 (I just did an old maintenance upgrade to 9.2, actually) to generate several thousand help pages (between different

Reference graphic to Character format

2008-09-12 Thread Combs, Richard
Robert Rogge wrote: > Is there any kind of plugin (or some other solution I don?t know about) > that > would allow me to map a graphic from a reference page to a character > format > > What I would like to do is be able to select some text, apply the character > format, and have a small

ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Sharon Burton
***Vendor post*** We just released Flare 4, which will do everything I suspect you need and more. You can download a trial version at www.madcapsoftware.com and sign up for a demo, if you want. The demo is good, in that it will shows you some of what the product does. We can certainly

ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Sullivan
I suspect for less than that upgrade to ePubPro you can get the full Technical Communication Suite, and have Captivate & Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to boot. The TCS integration was developed to handle your Frame files by reference, & easily handles your variables and conditions as defined in Frame.

Reference graphic to Character format

2008-09-12 Thread Mike Wickham
>>A common solution would be to create a font (Fontographer, etc.) that contains your graphics assigned to individual characters. << Don't waste your money on Fontographer. It's too old. It won't run on Windows XP computers with more than 384K (if I remember correctly) of memory. Mike Wickham

Reference graphic to Character format

2008-09-12 Thread Rick Quatro
FontLab is a newer font creation/editing program. It looks like they now own Fontographer as well. http://www.fontlab.com/ Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com >>>A common solution would be to create a font (Fontographer, etc.) that > contains your graphics

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

2008-09-12 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:46:29 -0700, Dov Isaacs wrote: >I hardly see how your request is related to "natural >justice" any more or less than a request to also allow simultaneous >activation of the same license of FrameMaker on computers used by other >members of your family. Really, Dov? The

ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help

2008-09-12 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:58:51 -0700, "Callie Bertsche" wrote: >- Have other products sharpened their competitive edge since our last >tool decision (a few years ago)? For instance, comparisons with MadCap >or Flare? > >In considering a new product, I know immediately I value the following: >

FM8 HTML output

2008-09-12 Thread bruce.macart...@vsea.com
Hello All, I am new to the Framers group. I develop the templates for the tech pubs group at my work. I have spent a lot of time creating and maintaining templates and macros for WebWorks. Several of our writers need to upgrade FM. I can't purchase FM7.2. This would require the writers to