Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Neeraj Jain
Technical Writing Coach...that's what they should have mentioned.   From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:59 PM Subject: Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad More depressing

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Writer
What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the tech writer, rather than where it belongs...on the engineer. I've worked with very few engineers who wanted to improve their communication skills or who even cared. Richard, in your case, you were asked by people who were

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Bill Swallow
Agreed. I did this in a former role. We had a huge API/SDK that required documentation. It would have taken 20 tech writers to meet the target release date, as there were 40 engineers working non-stop on it world-wide. So instead we added to the definition of code complete a documentation item.

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Bill Swallow
Don't you see that this is a mirror argument? Let me rephrase what you're saying: What I object to is putting the burden and responsibility on the engineer, rather than where it belongs...on the writer. I've worked with very few writers who wanted to improve their involvement in product

RE: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Ooooh! They won't fall for your Jedi mind-tricks! I bet there's beer involved in this somewhere, right Bill? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 10:15 AM To:

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Bill Swallow
There's always beer involved. ;) But no, this was a full-on collaboration that I initiated with the engineering VP and the product architect. It took some convincing, but a few flow charts later and we were good to go. You have to cover all bases and have a contingency for everyone on all sides

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Mollye Barrett
OK, can we agree that if we didn't want the responsibility we would not apply for the job? If we did want the responsibility, how would we meet the challenge? I worked with a group of 50 engineers and 8 automotive technicians. I was tasked with improving the content provided by engineers. This

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Milan Davidović
Have you written on this one in more detail anywhere (e.g. blog, newsletter)? Or do you know of a more extensive account on something similar by someone else? -- Milan Davidović http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic On Fri, Oct 7,

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Mollye Barrett
Milan, I have not written about this experience but I certainly will. I held the position for about five years and left the company more than 15 years ago. Given my background at the time, it seemed ordinary...like all tech writer were surely doing the same things. Let me add that I documented

Re: framers Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5

2011-10-07 Thread Cal Callahan
Ha, ha! As if they would listen! Coerce might work, given the authority. cal On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:00 AM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.comwrote: Send framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Greg. Eckrich
Sounds like a fine opportunity for an instructional Designer! Have my MS-Ed, Instructional Design in Dec. [Sorry, could not resist the opportunity for a shameless bit of self-promotion!] Greg. Eckrich On 6Oct2011, at 12:22 PM, Writer wrote: Or if the company absolutely feels that the

Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Lynn Gold
That's why so many of us get the interview question, How do you deal with a difficult engineer? From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: 10/06/2011 11:03 AM Subject:Re: OT: Scary responsibility in

RE: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Tim Pann
Tends to make me feel pretty good too, as a Senior Trainer/Technical Writer with a degree in Engineering... :) Tim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:52

Re: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread hessiansx4
I tend to agree with Richard, although I can see Nadine's point.  I'm sure it can be frustrating to feel that you are tasked with helping someone (who is making way more money than you are) with basic language skills. On the other hand, we are all in this together. Products are

Re: Coaching engineers

2011-10-07 Thread a...@ant-davey.com
Have to agree absolutely.  As a potential consultant recently pointed out, engineers (indeed scientists in general) haven't studied how to use language as a form of communication since the days of their 'O'-levels or GCSEs (Grade 9 to my American friends).   Ant Davey      On 06 October 2011 at

Re: OT: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Bill Swallow
That's why so many of us get the interview question, How do you deal with a difficult engineer? I absolutely loathe that question. Not that it's difficult to answer, but it just sets the wrong tone for the company asking it. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog:

PowerPoint to Framemaker

2011-10-07 Thread Flato, Gillian
Anyone know a utility for converting PowerPoint slides with lots of graphics to FrameMaker, or something that can be imported into Frame? Thank you, Gillian Flato Senior Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 *408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 *

RE: PowerPoint to Framemaker

2011-10-07 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Gillian, If you don't need to edit the slides in FrameMaker, you could save them as PDF and import the PDF into your FrameMaker document. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com

Re: PowerPoint to Framemaker

2011-10-07 Thread Alan Litchfield
Or export from Powerpoint as rtf. Alan On 8/10/2011, at 1:33 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Gillian, If you don’t need to edit the slides in FrameMaker, you could save them as PDF and import the PDF into your FrameMaker document. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267

Coaching engineers

2011-10-07 Thread Ragnar Hanås
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OT: Scary responsibility in job ad

2011-10-07 Thread Lynn Gold
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