Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
Thanks Lin. I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be a liability. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:37 PM To: An email list

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Peter Gold
One thing that might inform the long view is "If it ain't broke...," so there may be lots of individuals and small and large companies still chugging along with perfectly-operating back versions of FrameMaker on well-enough operating Windows-compatible machines or virtual-machine emulators, even,

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
How many people, based on company policy, have not embraced FM because there wasn't a migration path to another vendor so as not to be locked into a proprietary platform When I went the FM way, if I'd known, I would have gone a different way. I just assumed. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
It may be necessary for IT and Adobe to work together to enable FrameMaker, since Adobe requires the "phone home" and IT controls that capability. If that isn't possible, then no, there is no way to open or edit the FrameMaker documents you already have. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:26 PM wrote: >

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
If I could install FM11, I wouldn't be going through this. Guys...the focus seems to keep coming back to the export process. I got that. Without a working application installed, everything else is moot. -Original Message- From: Framers

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Peter Gold
Looks like my earlier response got truncated. Apologies for any confusion. Would it be acceptable to install FM on a stand-alone machine, save as MIF, and export/convert to formats of apps the corporate network supports, then copy these outputs to the network? Or, have that work done by a

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
Hi Peter...it's not the process for exporting/converting that's the issue. I got all that. I did it all the time to allow my user base to make their edits. The issue is installing and licensing the application. It WOULD be installed on a standalone...mine. It still needs to validate by

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
He's got Frame 11, sort of. If he could get that working again, he could use Mif2Go to export the MIF files to a number of formats, including Word, with all the styles intact. Given the IT and AML compliance, though, I don't know if that'd be possible for him. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:20 PM

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread John Posada
This conversation has been an eye-opener. I cannot believe that nobody has come along and offered an application for people who are FM users but want to migrate to another vendor for some reason. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, John: > > My point was that if the company

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Fred Ridder
The application to use for exporting FrameMaker files to a format that is compatible with some other tool is FrameMaker. Absent that, there may be no solution. -FR From: Framers on behalf of John Posada Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:57 PM To: An email

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
I think you'll have to talk to Adobe, and probably you'll need your IT people to talk to Adobe. To my knowledge, there is no way to edit a FrameMaker file without using the FrameMaker application. They're a binary format, and there's no method of extracting even the text from them. Used to be you

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, John: My point was that if the company was using InDesign, it would have to be an early-enough standalone version that doesn't phone home to Adobe. I use ID CS6 standalone/non-subscription. Perhaps the question has evolved to what applications are acceptable on the corporate network, and

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Scott Prentice
This isn't an unusual request (to migrate to another tool) .. but typically when someone is a "FM user" with FM files, they would have FrameMaker available to export to a neutral format. FM isn't used by enough people to warrant creating a separate application for migration. ...scott On

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
Adobe provides the ability to use FrameMaker to export to a number of different formats that are useable by other applications, including export into Word. It's hardly their responsibility to get other companies to create import filters for Adobe proprietary formats. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:12

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread John Posada
I cannot install or download anything. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:45 AM Lea Rush wrote: > How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling? > > Lea > > > Lea Rush > Senior Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific > www.astoria-pacific.com > > -Original

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
I'd think a vendor would say I'm going to create an application that kicks FM's butt and as part of it, can ingest FM files. What do I know. Thanks everyone -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
I expect that'd be a very bad idea. He works for a bank. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & > creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the > question

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
No no No no No no INSTANT termination. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:54 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re:

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Scott Prentice
Excellent point, Rick! But one clarification. Migrating from unstructured to structured FM does not necessarily give you XML files. You may just have structured FM binary files which results in the same problem that John is running into. However, if you do convert all the way to XML, and

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
Lin...I'd be fine with that if you want to take the time. Right now, cost of the application is not a factor (well...you know, within reason...no 250k enterprise application, but within a couple $k)... All I would need is a pointer to the application...I'll take it from there. You can use my

[Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
Forwarding this to the list, since for all I know the message I sent directly may have gotten caught in a spam filter. -- Forwarded message - From: Lin Sims Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files To: How does this

Re: [Framers] Fwd: Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Ragnar Hanås
Trados S-Tagger can convert FM files to rtf with formatting tags to be used for translation purposes. You then import back the translated text into FM and get back all the formatting. I don't know if you can export it from S-Tagger into another program but at least you would get the text out.

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Robert Lauriston
MadCap Flare can open FrameMaker files. The PDF output might require some tweaking. Get a 30-day free trial and see. Same story for RoboHelp. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:28 AM John Posada wrote: > > Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM > installed on their network.

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
If you're not active on the Adobe Forums, I can ask there if anyone is aware of a program that will import Frame binary and convert to a new format. Do you want me to? And if so, how would you like the information conveyed? On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM wrote: > I'd think a vendor would say

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
I'm presuming taking a copy of the FM docs off site, installing FM & creating MIF or PDFs or HTML (or XML for that matter) is out of the question too? -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:34 PM To: An email list for

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Caroline Tabach
In recent exports from Adobe, styles were kept, but maybe you need the whole program, not just Acrobat reader Caroline Tabach בתאריך יום ב׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2019, 19:50, מאת ‏: > Thanks Lin. > > I need to retain the style definitions...Having everything Normal would be > a liability. > > -Original

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Rick Quatro
For anyone else that may find themselves in a similar situation: this is an advantage of migrating your unstructured FrameMaker files to structured FrameMaker. Then you will have vendor-neutral XML files in case you decide to move away from FrameMaker in the future. -Original Message-

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lin Sims
Excellent points, Scott and Rick. Someday I hope to be able to migrate to XML, but that day isn't going to be soon, I think. Small company, training time, you know the drill. It's too bad for John that it sounds as if he's stuck between a rock and a hard place. I wish I knew of a way to get him

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi John, Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, but the people that don't like FM installed on their network are idiots. If FrameMaker is the tool you are using to produce content for them, why wouldn't they want it installed on their network? No, there is no

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among other reasons, they have issues with any application where the workstation needs to connect to the "mothership" over the internet, even if it is for an authorization. -Original Message- From: Framers

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread John Posada
How about just ingesting the files and converting to another formatting...I won't need to go back to FM on these On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:02 AM Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi John, > > Forgive me for testing the loyalty you have for the people in your company, > but the people that don't like FM

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Harding, Dan
Dumb question, not being integrally familiar with FM's version history, but with what version did the "phone home for activation" requirement start? I didn't think it was until the last few versions. Is there a perpetually licensed FM version that doesn't phone home that you could get by with

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Rick Quatro
I am sorry for using that derogatory term. It was unprofessional and uncalled for. Please forgive me, John. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:09 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread john . x . posada
No worries, man...all good. -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+john.x.posada=us.hsbc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:27 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers]

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Rick Quatro
You may want to consider PDF for a visual representation of the files and MIF (Maker Interchange Format) for a text-based representation of the content. MIF is would mainly be useful for recovering the content in FrameMaker in the future if you needed to. Convert the files to MIF, archive them,

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Johan Anglemark
Have you talked to Adobe? Your situation is far from unique, maybe they have a solution for you? -j On 2019-02-11 16:08, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote: As we are in AML compliance (anti-money laundering) and very locked down, among other reasons, they have issues with any application where

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread John Posada
Here's the deal. I've been using FM11 for over 5 years. I have multiple books...maybe 50, with some books 500-600 pages each. Last October I suffered a laptop crash and all my applications needed to be reloaded. However, due to network and security changes, they were unsuccessful in getting FM11

[Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed on their network. Are there any other applications that can be installed and open native FM 11 files and retain most of the FM functionality, especially the book paradigm? Thanks -- John Posada

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Lol - nope! -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:28 AM To: FrameUsers List Subject: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files Hi, guys...I have 5 years of FM files and my company doesn't like FM installed on their

Re: [Framers] Compatability with FM11 non-structured files

2019-02-11 Thread Lea Rush
How about installing a trial version, exporting, and uninstalling? Lea Lea Rush Senior Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific www.astoria-pacific.com -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+lea=astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of