RE: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
*Slightly off-topic* For the record, although I agree that FM is far and away the more professional and versatile tool for extended publications, I have been won over to MS Word's ribbon. I also used to think of it as unintuitive - but after watching the video below and studying their UI design, I think that the steep learning curve and alternate way of thinking are the rough part, but after you learn to think of the tools visually rather than textually, the ribbon becomes more powerful than the older menus, and intuitive. Some will say that if you need a video or other training to understand the ribbon, it is not intuitive; rather, I think that we can use a video, training, or working with the ribbon long enough to shift our thinking from primarily textual to primarily visual. As a mac user first and always (when not at work), I still applaud MS for thinking outside the box on this one. Intriguing video (click on one of the Story of the Ribbon links on this blog): http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbo n.aspx Cheers and in good humor, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. Message: 19 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:41:03 -0600 From: Spectrum Writing spectrumwrit...@q.com Subject: RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame As for 2007 - I agree about how non-intuitive the ribbons are, which just adds to the time. Finding a command that was once one click, maybe two clicks at most is now three to four, if it's even where you would expect to find it, is the norm with this blasted ribbon. My two cents worth, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
For the effort they put into redesigning their user interface, I would have massively preferred that they hold off on the eye candy and addressed more fundamental problems with the application. However, as a user, what I prefer isn't what Microsoft normally listens to. All of that work could have been applied to revamping the way numbering works, or how they apply styles, or how their multi-file function doesn't work. Or on stabalizing the program for large files. They didn't. So I am not particularly inclined to congratulate them for making all the eye candy, and in the process making it more difficult to use. Your opinion and mine are diametrically opposed. I think that you will find the camps firmly established and have little cross-over. Scott Callie Bertsche wrote: *Slightly off-topic* For the record, although I agree that FM is far and away the more professional and versatile tool for extended publications, I have been won over to MS Word's ribbon. I also used to think of it as unintuitive - but after watching the video below and studying their UI design, I think that the steep learning curve and alternate way of thinking are the rough part, but after you learn to think of the tools visually rather than textually, the ribbon becomes more powerful than the older menus, and intuitive. Some will say that if you need a video or other training to understand the ribbon, it is not intuitive; rather, I think that we can use a video, training, or working with the ribbon long enough to shift our thinking from primarily textual to primarily visual. As a mac user first and always (when not at work), I still applaud MS for thinking outside the box on this one. Intriguing video (click on one of the Story of the Ribbon links on this blog): http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbo n.aspx Cheers and in good humor, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. Message: 19 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:41:03 -0600 From: Spectrum Writing spectrumwrit...@q.com Subject: RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame As for 2007 - I agree about how non-intuitive the ribbons are, which just adds to the time. Finding a command that was once one click, maybe two clicks at most is now three to four, if it's even where you would expect to find it, is the norm with this blasted ribbon. My two cents worth, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
I think it's also telling that corporations don't normally train you on New GUI in an app. IT tosses it over the fence and the user has to cope on their own without much support at all, and little documentation. This video isn't useful to most users. It isn't available to most users. I think that what he comments on in I can't figure out how to use it. indicates that it is documented poorly. Which falls on the common comment about Microsoft documentation. Technically correct, but totally useless. Scott ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
(Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
I think it's also telling that corporations don't normally train you on "New" GUI in an app. IT tosses it over the fence and the user has to cope on their own without much support at all, and little documentation. This video isn't useful to most users. It isn't available to most users. I think that what he comments on in "I can't figure out how to use it." indicates that it is documented poorly. Which falls on the common comment about Microsoft documentation. "Technically correct, but totally useless." Scott
