Re: [Framers] Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017?

2018-04-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'm not sure if RoboHelp can output a commenting-enabled PDF directly,
but you could enable commenting with Acrobat Pro. Or you could output
to Word and turn on Track Changes.

You could also generate a Word doc before you start revising the
content, then generate another when you're done, and use Word's
Compare Documents feature to compare the two and generate a third file
with change markup.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 9:17 AM, tammyvb <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> Warning using voice recognition as I walk my dog so pardon the typos but my 
> concern is  If I work directly in robo help 2017 how on Earth do I keep track 
> of the changes and the markups that I make if I make changes in the content 
> which I'm going to have to do to up to update it what can I produce from rh 
> 2017 for editing. Does it produce A PFd that my editors can mark up I don't 
> know anything about the mark up capabilities when using standalone robo help. 
> I know that in flare I can produce a pdF that can be marked up and using FM 
> to E pub obviously I've got a PDF option as well that's a big concern for me 
> can someone clarify that thank you
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos!
>  Original message From: Robert Lauriston 
> <rob...@lauriston.com> Date: 4/6/18  10:08 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list 
> for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." <framers@lists.frameusers.com> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017?
> I don't believe the source format has changed significantly since RH7.
> You can get 30-day trials of RoboHelp and Flare to verify that they
> can read it.
>
> Flare was superior to RH9 in every way except FrameMaker integration.
> I don't think the balance of power has changed much since. If they're
> buying something new I'd say switch to Flare.
>
> By Adobe/ePub do you mean FrameMaker + ePublisher Pro? That's a very
> powerful combination but I've never gotten the sense that it has much
> market share. Migrating from RoboHelp to FrameMaker would be a lot
> more work than just opening the existing project in RH2017 or
> importing it into Flare. You'd need to publish the RoboHelp project to
> Word, import that into FrameMaker, and clean up the formatting.
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM,  <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a new client who is currently developing .chm help using RH 7. They
>> want to go to HTML5 and get w/ the times. I have several questions about
>> this:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  Can projects that were .chms in RH7 somehow be brought in to RH 2017
>> to be updated?
>> 2.  Is standalone Robohelp still as viable for producing OLH as it was
>> in the early 00s?
>> 3.  Is file compare possible in RH 2017? I know it once was in older
>> versions but now?
>>
>>
>>
>> I personally am pushing for either Flare or Adobe/ePub (and even less so
>> Adobe FM to RH output either with the built-in function in Adobe fM 12+, or
>> FM to integrated RH).
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now, the current writer is the RDS in the whole process where she
>> produces the OLH files, takes screen shots of the files that need editing,
>> manually marks up the files w/ stickies for her editors, and then
>> incorporates these edits, and then passes off the edited material again
>> marked up manually to her counterpart in Japan and they both produce their
>> OLH based on the edited/approved material and then pass of the .chms to the
>> developers to incorporate in to the Software project and then finally
>> release the SW. Yep . . .take a breath.
>>
>>
>>
>> At a minimum, I want to be able to somehow get the old .chm projects in to a
>> new tool so that I don't have to retype everything and I want to be able to
>> have a way to visually mark where files have changed for both the SMEs and
>> my Japanese counterpart. (Yes, I want to suggest just going w/ a translation
>> company, but that is not an option as that would basically put the Japanese
>> author out of work and that would be an uncool thing to suggest as a new
>> consultant.)
>>
>>
>>
>> For s many reasons, I am pushing Flare or Adobe/ePub (my
>> first choice), but as is my client's prerogative, they want to investigate
>> standalone RH 2017 first and go from there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am just really open to opinions, suggestions, comments, etc. about
>> standalone RH vs. another tool, keeping in mind all the issues that I want
>> to solve - not being the RDS in the project (with HTML5 the SW c

Re: [Framers] Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017?

2018-04-06 Thread tammyvb
Warning using voice recognition as I walk my dog so pardon the typos but my 
concern is  If I work directly in robo help 2017 how on Earth do I keep track 
of the changes and the markups that I make if I make changes in the content 
which I'm going to have to do to up to update it what can I produce from rh 
2017 for editing. Does it produce A PFd that my editors can mark up I don't 
know anything about the mark up capabilities when using standalone robo help. I 
know that in flare I can produce a pdF that can be marked up and using FM to E 
pub obviously I've got a PDF option as well that's a big concern for me can 
someone clarify that thank you


Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Pardon the typos!
 Original message From: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> 
Date: 4/6/18  10:08 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe 
FrameMaker software." <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: [Framers] 
Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017? 
I don't believe the source format has changed significantly since RH7.
You can get 30-day trials of RoboHelp and Flare to verify that they
can read it.

Flare was superior to RH9 in every way except FrameMaker integration.
I don't think the balance of power has changed much since. If they're
buying something new I'd say switch to Flare.

By Adobe/ePub do you mean FrameMaker + ePublisher Pro? That's a very
powerful combination but I've never gotten the sense that it has much
market share. Migrating from RoboHelp to FrameMaker would be a lot
more work than just opening the existing project in RH2017 or
importing it into Flare. You'd need to publish the RoboHelp project to
Word, import that into FrameMaker, and clean up the formatting.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM,  <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a new client who is currently developing .chm help using RH 7. They
> want to go to HTML5 and get w/ the times. I have several questions about
> this:
>
>
>
> 1.  Can projects that were .chms in RH7 somehow be brought in to RH 2017
> to be updated?
> 2.  Is standalone Robohelp still as viable for producing OLH as it was
> in the early 00s?
> 3.  Is file compare possible in RH 2017? I know it once was in older
> versions but now?
>
>
>
> I personally am pushing for either Flare or Adobe/ePub (and even less so
> Adobe FM to RH output either with the built-in function in Adobe fM 12+, or
> FM to integrated RH).
>
>
>
> Right now, the current writer is the RDS in the whole process where she
> produces the OLH files, takes screen shots of the files that need editing,
> manually marks up the files w/ stickies for her editors, and then
> incorporates these edits, and then passes off the edited material again
> marked up manually to her counterpart in Japan and they both produce their
> OLH based on the edited/approved material and then pass of the .chms to the
> developers to incorporate in to the Software project and then finally
> release the SW. Yep . . .take a breath.
>
>
>
> At a minimum, I want to be able to somehow get the old .chm projects in to a
> new tool so that I don't have to retype everything and I want to be able to
> have a way to visually mark where files have changed for both the SMEs and
> my Japanese counterpart. (Yes, I want to suggest just going w/ a translation
> company, but that is not an option as that would basically put the Japanese
> author out of work and that would be an uncool thing to suggest as a new
> consultant.)
>
>
>
> For s many reasons, I am pushing Flare or Adobe/ePub (my
> first choice), but as is my client's prerogative, they want to investigate
> standalone RH 2017 first and go from there.
>
>
>
> I am just really open to opinions, suggestions, comments, etc. about
> standalone RH vs. another tool, keeping in mind all the issues that I want
> to solve - not being the RDS in the project (with HTML5 the SW can go out
> even before the OLH is done), the ability to provide hard-copy for edits (as
> in a PDF to my SMEs and NOT sticky notes attached to screen grabs), the
> ability to compare files (as w/ change bars in FM which can be carried over
> in to the PDFs for editing), having a truly controllable development
> interface (as in Flare's almost WYSIWYG or Adobe FM's true WYSIWYG to ePub
> approach). . .
>
>
>
> I know standalone RH >>USED<< to own the market, but from what I have seen
> over these past 5 years or more is not nearly as much - either Flare or
> Adobe/ePub. The number of inquiries/recommendations I have seen for RH have
> just plummeted.
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Re: [Framers] Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017?

2018-04-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't believe the source format has changed significantly since RH7.
You can get 30-day trials of RoboHelp and Flare to verify that they
can read it.

Flare was superior to RH9 in every way except FrameMaker integration.
I don't think the balance of power has changed much since. If they're
buying something new I'd say switch to Flare.

By Adobe/ePub do you mean FrameMaker + ePublisher Pro? That's a very
powerful combination but I've never gotten the sense that it has much
market share. Migrating from RoboHelp to FrameMaker would be a lot
more work than just opening the existing project in RH2017 or
importing it into Flare. You'd need to publish the RoboHelp project to
Word, import that into FrameMaker, and clean up the formatting.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:39 AM,   wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a new client who is currently developing .chm help using RH 7. They
> want to go to HTML5 and get w/ the times. I have several questions about
> this:
>
>
>
> 1.  Can projects that were .chms in RH7 somehow be brought in to RH 2017
> to be updated?
> 2.  Is standalone Robohelp still as viable for producing OLH as it was
> in the early 00s?
> 3.  Is file compare possible in RH 2017? I know it once was in older
> versions but now?
>
>
>
> I personally am pushing for either Flare or Adobe/ePub (and even less so
> Adobe FM to RH output either with the built-in function in Adobe fM 12+, or
> FM to integrated RH).
>
>
>
> Right now, the current writer is the RDS in the whole process where she
> produces the OLH files, takes screen shots of the files that need editing,
> manually marks up the files w/ stickies for her editors, and then
> incorporates these edits, and then passes off the edited material again
> marked up manually to her counterpart in Japan and they both produce their
> OLH based on the edited/approved material and then pass of the .chms to the
> developers to incorporate in to the Software project and then finally
> release the SW. Yep . . .take a breath.
>
>
>
> At a minimum, I want to be able to somehow get the old .chm projects in to a
> new tool so that I don't have to retype everything and I want to be able to
> have a way to visually mark where files have changed for both the SMEs and
> my Japanese counterpart. (Yes, I want to suggest just going w/ a translation
> company, but that is not an option as that would basically put the Japanese
> author out of work and that would be an uncool thing to suggest as a new
> consultant.)
>
>
>
> For s many reasons, I am pushing Flare or Adobe/ePub (my
> first choice), but as is my client's prerogative, they want to investigate
> standalone RH 2017 first and go from there.
>
>
>
> I am just really open to opinions, suggestions, comments, etc. about
> standalone RH vs. another tool, keeping in mind all the issues that I want
> to solve - not being the RDS in the project (with HTML5 the SW can go out
> even before the OLH is done), the ability to provide hard-copy for edits (as
> in a PDF to my SMEs and NOT sticky notes attached to screen grabs), the
> ability to compare files (as w/ change bars in FM which can be carried over
> in to the PDFs for editing), having a truly controllable development
> interface (as in Flare's almost WYSIWYG or Adobe FM's true WYSIWYG to ePub
> approach). . .
>
>
>
> I know standalone RH >>USED<< to own the market, but from what I have seen
> over these past 5 years or more is not nearly as much - either Flare or
> Adobe/ePub. The number of inquiries/recommendations I have seen for RH have
> just plummeted.
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[Framers] Slightly OT: Standalone Robohelp 2017?

2018-04-06 Thread tammyvb
Hi All,

 

I have a new client who is currently developing .chm help using RH 7. They
want to go to HTML5 and get w/ the times. I have several questions about
this:

 

1.  Can projects that were .chms in RH7 somehow be brought in to RH 2017
to be updated?
2.  Is standalone Robohelp still as viable for producing OLH as it was
in the early 00s?
3.  Is file compare possible in RH 2017? I know it once was in older
versions but now?

 

I personally am pushing for either Flare or Adobe/ePub (and even less so
Adobe FM to RH output either with the built-in function in Adobe fM 12+, or
FM to integrated RH).  

 

Right now, the current writer is the RDS in the whole process where she
produces the OLH files, takes screen shots of the files that need editing,
manually marks up the files w/ stickies for her editors, and then
incorporates these edits, and then passes off the edited material again
marked up manually to her counterpart in Japan and they both produce their
OLH based on the edited/approved material and then pass of the .chms to the
developers to incorporate in to the Software project and then finally
release the SW. Yep . . .take a breath.

 

At a minimum, I want to be able to somehow get the old .chm projects in to a
new tool so that I don't have to retype everything and I want to be able to
have a way to visually mark where files have changed for both the SMEs and
my Japanese counterpart. (Yes, I want to suggest just going w/ a translation
company, but that is not an option as that would basically put the Japanese
author out of work and that would be an uncool thing to suggest as a new
consultant.)

 

For s many reasons, I am pushing Flare or Adobe/ePub (my
first choice), but as is my client's prerogative, they want to investigate
standalone RH 2017 first and go from there.

 

I am just really open to opinions, suggestions, comments, etc. about
standalone RH vs. another tool, keeping in mind all the issues that I want
to solve - not being the RDS in the project (with HTML5 the SW can go out
even before the OLH is done), the ability to provide hard-copy for edits (as
in a PDF to my SMEs and NOT sticky notes attached to screen grabs), the
ability to compare files (as w/ change bars in FM which can be carried over
in to the PDFs for editing), having a truly controllable development
interface (as in Flare's almost WYSIWYG or Adobe FM's true WYSIWYG to ePub
approach). . . 

 

I know standalone RH >>USED<< to own the market, but from what I have seen
over these past 5 years or more is not nearly as much - either Flare or
Adobe/ePub. The number of inquiries/recommendations I have seen for RH have
just plummeted.

 

Thank and TGIF,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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