[Fwd: Haven't we learnt anything about usability design? [was "Re: default "reply-to-all"]]
<> All: >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> > > You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy > weren't speaking _literally_ about "reply-to-all," but _functionally_. > Your "reply-to-list" goes to everyone on the list, so it functions > exactly as Alan described. > > You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer > something different. OK, noted. :-) > So, if a message sent to the list also has some C.c.s, and I hit Reply-to-All in Thunderbird/Penelope, is that "reply-to-all-all"? Seriously. Alan and Jeremy were not speaking metaphorically, functionally, allegorically, etc. about "reply-to-all" in the list. What they were doing was misunderstanding my explanation of how I use my email client for only the framers list and none other: 1I hit the Reply-to-All button to get all the addresses in the To and C.c. fields. 2I delete the fields I don't want, usually all of them except the list address. 3I send the email. So perhaps Alan and Jeremy were speaking operationally and figuratively. Now if they had been speaking behaviourally, since every other list I subscribe to -- dozens of them (yes, I don't have a life) -- returns a Reply to the list, thus catering for the habitual behaviour of the millions of list users in the known multiverse who have become used to this and expect it. Of course, there is always someone who will argue for the "technically" correct way of doing things rather than what meets people's expectations. Which is why there are so many bad GUIs from developers who implement some ideological "pure" way rather than first asking what people do, what people want, and what people expect, and then implementing *that*. Regards, Hedley P.S. Bugger, just before sending this I noticed that the message was addressed to "Combs, Richard" and not the list. Okay, let's correct the address yet again and send the message. -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
[Fwd: Haven't we learnt anything about usability design? [was "Re: default "reply-to-all"]]
Old dogs... ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Re: [Fwd: Haven't we learnt anything about usability design? [was "Re: default "reply-to-all"]]
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[Fwd: Haven't we learnt anything about usability design? [was "Re: default "reply-to-all"]]
<> All: >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> > > You're making a distinction without a difference. Alan and Jeremy > weren't speaking _literally_ about "reply-to-all," but _functionally_. > Your "reply-to-list" goes to everyone on the list, so it functions > exactly as Alan described. > > You haven't countered Alan's argument, just stated that you prefer > something different. OK, noted. :-) > So, if a message sent to the list also has some C.c.s, and I hit Reply-to-All in Thunderbird/Penelope, is that "reply-to-all-all"? Seriously. Alan and Jeremy were not speaking metaphorically, functionally, allegorically, etc. about "reply-to-all" in the list. What they were doing was misunderstanding my explanation of how I use my email client for only the framers list and none other: 1I hit the Reply-to-All button to get all the addresses in the To and C.c. fields. 2I delete the fields I don't want, usually all of them except the list address. 3I send the email. So perhaps Alan and Jeremy were speaking operationally and figuratively. Now if they had been speaking behaviourally, since every other list I subscribe to -- dozens of them (yes, I don't have a life) -- returns a Reply to the list, thus catering for the habitual behaviour of the millions of list users in the known multiverse who have become used to this and expect it. Of course, there is always someone who will argue for the "technically" correct way of doing things rather than what meets people's expectations. Which is why there are so many bad GUIs from developers who implement some ideological "pure" way rather than first asking what people do, what people want, and what people expect, and then implementing *that*. Regards, Hedley P.S. Bugger, just before sending this I noticed that the message was addressed to "Combs, Richard" and not the list. Okay, let's correct the address yet again and send the message. -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.