Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the default behaviour for Index pages? Who wants the link to be active for the text as well when you have several pages for the same text entry? The idea is to have only the page number active as a link. Berny Gagne On 1 Jun 2010, at 9:43 PM, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. wrote: David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com sent: Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of Markers. --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernyga...@rogers.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Berny Gagne 905-830-1362 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Hi, When you create an index, you will get two types of entries: Some with a single reference and some with multiple references. Apple94 Pear.95, 97 When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is really no change in the character formatting (page number, separator, text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change in character formatting could also be a character format with everything set to As Is. Test it out, e.g.: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder (at least for FM 8) When you have more than one reference, then the first link area encompasses the text, separator and first page number. The next link areas encompass only the page number. Therefore, when your link area encompasses only the page number and not even the dots, then there is definitely a change in the character formatting. Check how the page numbers and the separator (tab with dots) are formatted. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:16 AM To: ecid...@zoominternet.net; framers@lists.frameusers.com; dspre...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. It is normal behavior for the active area in generated indexes to include only the page numbers and the leading punctuation. The reason is that it is completely normal to have a list of multiple page numbers for any given index entry. Whenever you have multiple page references it makes no sense to include the text of the index entry as part of the hotspot for the first page reference, and it makes no sense to have two different behaviors depending on single or multiple references, so the standard behavior is the one that's right for multipel references. This is one of the fundamental differences between a generated list (one entry per occurrence) and a generated index (multiple references per entry). If you are generating a special kind of index where no entry ever has more than one page reference, it is possible to move the hypertext marker (or to create a duplicate copy) of each hypertext marker at the beginning of each index entry paragraph so that the active area includes the whole paragraph rather than just the page number. I believe someone has written a script to do this if you have FrameScript on your system. Or else you could generate it as a list rather than an index. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is really no change in the character formatting (page number, separator, text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change in character formatting could also be a character format with everything set to As Is. Test it out, e.g.: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder (at least for FM 8) I've created many indexes in FM 5.1 through 7.2, and recently began working with 9.0. I've never had my own indexes exhibit this behavior, either in FM or in PDF. The hotspots have always been limited to the page numbers, whether an entry had one or multiple page numbers. I'm looking right now at the FM 7 MIF_Reference.pdf and MML_Reference.pdf. The former's index exhibits the behavior I'm familiar with: only the page numbers are hyperlinks. The latter exhibits the behavior you describe: the entire line is a hyperlink. The index behavior I'm familiar with is the result of generating a regular index -- which is what I always do. I suspect that the behavior you're describing is the result of generating something else -- probably an alphabetical list of markers (ALM) or index of markers (IOM). Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Hi Richard, I create only regular indices, and I get the behaviour I described and which I also found in official PDF files. You can get link areas across the whole line with regular indices. You do not need ALM or IOM. Did you check the paragraph format of your separators on the reference page? Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:15 PM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is really no change in the character formatting (page number, separator, text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change in character formatting could also be a character format with everything set to As Is. Test it out, e.g.: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder (at least for FM 8) I've created many indexes in FM 5.1 through 7.2, and recently began working with 9.0. I've never had my own indexes exhibit this behavior, either in FM or in PDF. The hotspots have always been limited to the page numbers, whether an entry had one or multiple page numbers. I'm looking right now at the FM 7 MIF_Reference.pdf and MML_Reference.pdf. The former's index exhibits the behavior I'm familiar with: only the page numbers are hyperlinks. The latter exhibits the behavior you describe: the entire line is a hyperlink. The index behavior I'm familiar with is the result of generating a regular index -- which is what I always do. I suspect that the behavior you're describing is the result of generating something else -- probably an alphabetical list of markers (ALM) or index of markers (IOM). Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Thanks for the insight Les That's one of the amazing things about this onethe font characteristics across both pieces of information are identicalthat's what has me a bit stumped. But will investigate it in the morningcloser look might be in order Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 22:27 , Les Smalley l_c_smalley at yahoo.com sent: > Is there any change in the font characteristics across the two pieces > (size, weight, etc.) of your entry - the content from the marker and > the leader/page number? > > The default behavior is that Frame will make the link area begin at > the page number (turn on the display of markers in the index) and a > hyperlink will span only across text of identical font > characteristics. > > --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. _ _ wrote: > David > > Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe > linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the > leader dots and page numbering. > > Thank you > > All the best > > Eduardo > > Electronic Signature: > > Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. > > On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspreadb at yahoo.com sent: > > > Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of > > Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add > Standard Index. > > This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have > > embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be > > attempting to create an Index of Markers. > > > > --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: > > > > Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast > > > > First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 > Professional > > > > Now the dilemma: > > > > In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and > > "breakout" of different levels: > > > > Level Page Number > > > > L1IOM ... X-X > > L2IOM . Y-Y > > L3IOM Z-Z > > > > The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is > > "drawn" (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page > > number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. > > > > I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the > life > > of me, I can't remember what that was. > > > > Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? > > > > All the best > > > > From New York > > > > Eduardo > >
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
> Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking > area doesn't > extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. It is normal behavior for the active area in generated indexes to include only the page numbers and the leading punctuation. The reason is that it is completely normal to have a list of multiple page numbers for any given index entry. Whenever you have multiple page references it makes no sense to include the text of the index entry as part of the hotspot for the first page reference, and it makes no sense to have two different behaviors depending on single or multiple references, so the standard behavior is the one that's right for multipel references. This is one of the fundamental differences between a generated list (one entry per occurrence) and a generated index (multiple references per entry). If you are generating a special kind of index where no entry ever has more than one page reference, it is possible to move the hypertext marker (or to create a duplicate copy) of each hypertext marker at the beginning of each index entry paragraph so that the active area includes the whole paragraph rather than just the page number. I believe someone has written a script to do this if you have FrameScript on your system. Or else you could generate it as a list rather than an index. -Fred Ridder _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Hi, When you create an index, you will get two types of entries: Some with a single reference and some with multiple references. Apple94 Pear.95, 97 When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is really no change in the character formatting (page number, separator, text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change in character formatting could also be a character format with everything set to As Is. Test it out, e.g.: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder (at least for FM 8) When you have more than one reference, then the first link area encompasses the text, separator and first page number. The next link areas encompass only the page number. Therefore, when your link area encompasses only the page number and not even the dots, then there is definitely a change in the character formatting. Check how the page numbers and the separator (tab with dots) are formatted. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:16 AM > To: ecidade at zoominternet.net; framers at lists.frameusers.com; > dspreadb at yahoo.com > Subject: RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) > > > > Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting > PDFthe linking area doesn't > > extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots > and page numbering. > > > It is normal behavior for the active area in generated > indexes to include only the page numbers and the leading > punctuation. The reason is that it is completely normal to > have a list of multiple page numbers for any given index > entry. Whenever you have multiple page references it makes no > sense to include the text of the index entry as part of the > hotspot for the first page reference, and it makes no sense > to have two different behaviors depending on single or > multiple references, so the standard behavior is the one > that's right for multipel references. This is one of the > fundamental differences between a generated list (one entry > per occurrence) and a generated index (multiple references per entry). > > If you are generating a special kind of index where no entry > ever has more than one page reference, it is possible to move > the hypertext marker (or to create a duplicate copy) of each > hypertext marker at the beginning of each index entry > paragraph so that the active area includes the whole > paragraph rather than just the page number. I believe someone > has written a script to do this if you have FrameScript on > your system. Or else you could generate it as a list rather > than an index. > > -Fred Ridder
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting > PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is > really no change in the character formatting (page number, separator, > text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker > but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change > in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change in character > formatting could also be a character format with everything set to As Is. > Test it out, e.g.: > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf > Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder (at least for FM > 8) I've created many indexes in FM 5.1 through 7.2, and recently began working with 9.0. I've never had my own indexes exhibit this behavior, either in FM or in PDF. The hotspots have always been limited to the page numbers, whether an entry had one or multiple page numbers. I'm looking right now at the FM 7 MIF_Reference.pdf and MML_Reference.pdf. The former's index exhibits the behavior I'm familiar with: only the page numbers are hyperlinks. The latter exhibits the behavior you describe: the entire line is a hyperlink. The index behavior I'm familiar with is the result of generating a regular index -- which is what I always do. I suspect that the behavior you're describing is the result of generating something else -- probably an alphabetical list of markers (ALM) or index of markers (IOM). Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Hi Richard, I create only regular indices, and I get the behaviour I described and which I also found in official PDF files. You can get link areas across the whole line with regular indices. You do not need ALM or IOM. Did you check the paragraph format of your separators on the reference page? Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:15 PM > To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) > > Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > > > When there is only a single reference the link area in the resulting > > PDF file encompasses the whole paragraph - provided that there is > > really no change in the character formatting (page number, > separator, > > text). The link area does not start at the position of the marker > > but extends in both directions of the marker until there is a change > > in the character formatting or the paragraph ends. A change > in character > > formatting could also be a character format with everything > set to As Is. > > Test it out, e.g.: > > > http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/framemaker_9_help.pdf > > Or the MML reference in the FrameMaker installation folder > (at least for FM > > 8) > > I've created many indexes in FM 5.1 through 7.2, and recently > began working with 9.0. I've never had my own indexes exhibit > this behavior, either in FM or in PDF. The hotspots have > always been limited to the page numbers, whether an entry had > one or multiple page numbers. > > I'm looking right now at the FM 7 MIF_Reference.pdf and > MML_Reference.pdf. The former's index exhibits the behavior > I'm familiar with: only the page numbers are hyperlinks. The > latter exhibits the behavior you describe: the entire line is > a hyperlink. > > The index behavior I'm familiar with is the result of > generating a regular index -- which is what I always do. I > suspect that the behavior you're describing is the result of > generating something else -- probably an alphabetical list of > markers (ALM) or index of markers (IOM). > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > >
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > I create only regular indices, and I get the behaviour I described > and which I also found in official PDF files. You can get link > areas across the whole line with regular indices. You do not > need ALM or IOM. > > Did you check the paragraph format of your separators on the > reference page? Hmm, you're right. Randomly checking a few files, I see that in each, the SeparatorsIX pgf uses a different font than the LevelIX and IndexIX pgfs (in fact, in each case it's the same as GroupTitlesIX). I have no recollection of ever consciously making that so, but I've consistently seen the behavior that this apparently introduces for many years, docs, and FM versions. And as I noted, that's the behavior of at least some of Adobe's docs (and of PDFs from other sources that I've encountered). Mind you, I prefer that behavior, so I'm glad that someone long ago made SeparatorsIX different, and I have no intention of changing it. It seems odd to me to have the text of an index entry hyperlinked to the first of several pages that the entry references. It seems perfectly natural, OTOH, to click the page number -- even if there is only one. But getting back to Eduardo's question, I suspect you've provided the answer for him: check the SeparatorsIX definition. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of Markers. --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. ecid...@zoominternet.net wrote: From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. ecid...@zoominternet.net Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com sent: Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of Markers. --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Is there any change in the font characteristics across the two pieces (size, weight, etc.) of your entry - the content from the marker and the leader/page number? The default behavior is that Frame will make the link area begin at the page number (turn on the display of markers in the index) and a hyperlink will span only across text of identical font characteristics. --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. ecid...@zoominternet.net wrote: David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com sent: Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of Markers. --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Thanks for the insight Les That's one of the amazing things about this onethe font characteristics across both pieces of information are identicalthat's what has me a bit stumped. But will investigate it in the morningcloser look might be in order Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 22:27 , Les Smalley l_c_smal...@yahoo.com sent: Is there any change in the font characteristics across the two pieces (size, weight, etc.) of your entry - the content from the marker and the leader/page number? The default behavior is that Frame will make the link area begin at the page number (turn on the display of markers in the index) and a hyperlink will span only across text of identical font characteristics. --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. _ _ wrote: David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com sent: Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of Markers. --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and breakout of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is drawn (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a fix for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best From New York Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Re: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Eduardo F.Cidade Sr. wrote: Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. This is the expected behavior for an index (except that indexes normally don't have leader dots). An index is an alphabetical list of index entries and the often multiple pages on which each entry occurs. Thus, only the page numbers are hyperlinked, since there may be multiple page numbers per entry. As for the leader dots being part of the active area: I've never seen an index set up that way, but I'm guessing that in the reference page IX flow (the index spec), the tab is inserted in the IndexIX paragraph, in front of $pagenum. It's the contents of the IndexIX paragraph that FM uses for to add the page numbers to each index entry. For what you seem to be trying to achieve, you may want to try an alphabetical list of markers (ALM) instead of an index. From the book window, select Add List of Markers (Alphabetical). Of course, you'll have to go to the reference pages and set up the ALM flow to format the list properly, defining a leader tab and inserting the tab between $markertext and $pagenum. But the hypertext marker in the generated list is at the beginning of each paragraph, so the entire entry (barring a font change) becomes a hot spot. Come to think of it, I'm not sure how or if you can do multiple levels -- but the fact that there is a Level1AML paragraph suggests it may be possible. Good luck experimenting! :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. It is normal behavior for the active area in generated indexes to include only the page numbers and the leading punctuation. The reason is that it is completely normal to have a list of multiple page numbers for any given index entry. Whenever you have multiple page references it makes no sense to include the text of the index entry as part of the hotspot for the first page reference, and it makes no sense to have two different behaviors depending on single or multiple references, so the standard behavior is the one that's right for multipel references. This is one of the fundamental differences between a generated list (one entry per occurrence) and a generated index (multiple references per entry). If you are generating a special kind of index where no entry ever has more than one page reference, it is possible to move the hypertext marker (or to create a duplicate copy) of each hypertext marker at the beginning of each index entry paragraph so that the active area includes the whole paragraph rather than just the page number. I believe someone has written a script to do this if you have FrameScript on your system. Or else you could generate it as a list rather than an index. -Fred Ridder _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma: In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and "breakout" of different levels: Level Page Number L1IOM ... X-X L2IOM . Y-Y L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is "drawn" (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best >From New York Eduardo
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of Markers (IOM)? ? With your book open, select Add > Standard Index. This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have embedded in your doc. ? >From what you are saying you appear to be attempting to create an Index of >Markers. --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. wrote: From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. <ecid...@zoominternet.net> Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast First the setup:? WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional Now the dilemma:? In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and "breakout" of different levels: Level? ???Page Number L1IOM ... X-X ? L2IOM . Y-Y ???L3IOM Z-Z The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is "drawn" (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the life of me, I can't remember what that was. Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? All the best >From New York Eduardo
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspreadb at yahoo.com sent: > Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of > Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add > Standard Index. > This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have > embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be > attempting to create an Index of Markers. > > --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: > From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. > Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM > > Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast > > First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 > Professional > > Now the dilemma: > > In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and > "breakout" of different > levels: > > Level Page Number > > L1IOM ... X-X > L2IOM . Y-Y > L3IOM Z-Z > > The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is > "drawn" (for lack of a > better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text > in the respective IOM. > > I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the life > of me, I can't > remember what that was. > > Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? > > All the best > > From New York > > Eduardo > >
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Is there any change in the font characteristics across the two pieces (size, weight, etc.) of your entry - the content from the marker and the leader/page number? The default behavior is that Frame will make the link area begin at the page number (turn on the display of markers in the index) and a hyperlink will span only across text of identical font characteristics. --- On Tue, 6/1/10, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. wrote: David Generating the index isn't a problem.? It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspreadb at yahoo.com sent: > Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of > Markers (IOM)With your book open, select Add > Standard Index. > This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have > embedded in your doc.???From what you are saying you appear to be > attempting to create an Index of Markers. > > --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: > > Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast > > First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 Professional > > Now the dilemma:? > > In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and > "breakout" of different levels: > > Level? ???Page Number > > L1IOM ... X-X > L2IOM . Y-Y > L3IOM Z-Z > > The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is > "drawn" (for lack of a better word) around the leader dots and page > number and NOT the text in the respective IOM. > > I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the life > of me, I can't remember what that was. > > Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? > > All the best > > From New York > > Eduardo
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Eduardo F.Cidade Sr. wrote: > Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe > linking area doesn't > extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page > numbering. This is the expected behavior for an index (except that indexes normally don't have leader dots). An index is an alphabetical list of index entries and the often multiple pages on which each entry occurs. Thus, only the page numbers are hyperlinked, since there may be multiple page numbers per entry. As for the leader dots being part of the active area: I've never seen an index set up that way, but I'm guessing that in the reference page IX flow (the index spec), the tab is inserted in the IndexIX paragraph, in front of <$pagenum>. It's the contents of the IndexIX paragraph that FM uses for to add the page numbers to each index entry. For what you seem to be trying to achieve, you may want to try an alphabetical list of markers (ALM) instead of an index. From the book window, select Add > List of > Markers (Alphabetical). Of course, you'll have to go to the reference pages and set up the ALM flow to format the list properly, defining a leader tab and inserting the tab between <$markertext> and <$pagenum>. But the hypertext marker in the generated list is at the beginning of each paragraph, so the entire entry (barring a font change) becomes a hot spot. Come to think of it, I'm not sure how or if you can do multiple levels -- but the fact that there is a Level1AML paragraph suggests it may be possible. Good luck experimenting! :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es)
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the default behaviour for Index pages? Who wants the link to be active for the text as well when you have several pages for the same text entry? The idea is to have only the page number active as a link. Berny Gagne On 1 Jun 2010, at 9:43 PM, Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. wrote: David Generating the index isn't a problem. It's the resulting PDFthe linking area doesn't extend to the entire index entryonly the leader dots and page numbering. Thank you All the best Eduardo Electronic Signature: Eduardo F. Cidade, Sr. On Tue 01/06/10 21:18 , David Spreadbury dspreadb at yahoo.com sent: > Eduardo, Are you trying to create an Index or an Index (IX) of > Markers (IOM)? With your book open, select Add > Standard Index. > This will create an Index (.ix) file of the Index entries you have > embedded in your doc. From what you are saying you appear to be > attempting to create an Index of Markers. > > --- On TUE, 6/1/10, EDUARDO F. CIDADE SR. __ wrote: > From: Eduardo F. Cidade Sr. > Subject: Active Areas from Frame-Generated Index(es) > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 5:42 PM > > Good afternoon from JFK Airport...raining and overcast > > First the setup: WXP, Frame 8 (Unstructured) and Acrobat 9 > Professional > > Now the dilemma: > > In generating an index, there's no problem with the creation and > "breakout" of different > levels: > > Level Page Number > > L1IOM ... X-X > L2IOM . Y-Y > L3IOM Z-Z > > The problem stems from the resulting PDF where the active area is > "drawn" (for lack of a > better word) around the leader dots and page number and NOT the text > in the respective IOM. > > I know there was a "fix" for this quite a while ago, but for the life > of me, I can't > remember what that was. > > Anyone out there willing to help out a fellow Frame Templar??? > > All the best > > From New York > > Eduardo > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernygagne at rogers.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Berny Gagne 905-830-1362
