Re: Apply Default Attribute Values
A quick note related to previous posts in this thread: EDDs support the specification of a default value for attributes declared as optional, but not for attributes declared as required. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF Technical Indexing seminars ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Apply Default Attribute Values
At 01:25 AM 12/19/2005, Shlomo Perets wrote: A quick note related to previous posts in this thread: EDDs support the specification of a default value for attributes declared as optional, but not for attributes declared as required. Shlomo, Of course--having a default contradicts requiring a value to be specified! I don't know if my previous message on this thread made it through, but FM's notion of attribute default values came directly from SGML/XML. --Lynne Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Apply Default Attribute Values
A quick note related to previous posts in this thread: EDDs support the specification of a default value for attributes declared as optional, but not for attributes declared as required. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars
Apply Default Attribute Values
--- "Lynne A. Price" wrote: > Shlomo, >Of course--having a default contradicts requiring > a value to be specified! = I stated: "If such an attribute is declared to be "REQUIRED", either the EDD, the DTD, or both MAY specify a default value (i.e, one of the specified values in the name-token group." What I was attempting to say (and not very well) was the case where the DTD specifies an atttribute to be REQUIRED, but the EDD specifies it as optional so that a default value can be specified, which I suspect may be what the originator of this thread was dealing with. Clearly, that default value would not be exported by FrameMaker, and thus an error would occur. If the attribute is specified as OPTIONAL in both the EDD and the DTD, and both the EDD and the DTD specify a default value, that value should not be exported, because the DTD should determine the default value.
Re: Apply Default Attribute Values
We're mainly talking, I presume, about Choice-type attributes (Name Token Groups in DTD parlance). If such an attribute is declared to be REQUIRED, either the EDD, the DTD, or both MAY specify a default value (i.e, one of the specified values in the name-token group), in which case the absence of an actual value is interpreted by both the EDD and the DTD to mean the EDD/DTD-specified default value. In this case, it would be WRONG fo export the default value from FrameMaker, because different versions of the same DTD could conceivably specify different default values for the same attribute. Note also that, in this case, if no default value is specified for a REQUIRED attribute, an error will be reported during validation or export. The other case is that the attribute is NOT specified in the DTD as REQUIRED, and the DTD may or may not specify a default value. In that case, any default value specified in the EDD for such an attribute should NEVER be exported, because the absence of a value in that situation should dictate what takes place during XML/SGML processing of a FrameMaker document instance. That is, the XML/SGML side of the processing equation should determine what happens when such an attribute has no value. --- Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not looking to change the attribute value from one thing to another. Here is the scenario: when you set a default value for attribute in the EDD, it will initially show in the structure view as italic. But if you double-click on the attribute, the attribute will show as no value in the Attribute window. And, from what I can tell, when you save the file as XML, these default attribute values don't export. You have to explicitly set the value in order for them to export. You can tell when an attribute value has been set, because they no longer display as italic in the structure view. After experimenting, I can use FrameScript to explicitly set these default attribute values so that they export to XML. But it does make me wonder: why have a default value for attributes when it doesn't seem to register unless you explicitly set it? Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com You can define a default value for an attribute, but as far as I know the process of importing an EDD won't change an attribute value from one thing to another. The default value is just the value of the attribute if it has no other value applied. I guess the question is, in the statement .. set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported .. does default refer to the FrameMaker concept of default (empty), or do you mean some actual default value ? Unless I'm misunderstanding the original question, I think you'll have to go with the script, Rick. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 ** To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** with unsubscribe framers (no quotes) in the body. ** Dan Emory Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design Database Publishing DW Emory [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Apply Default Attribute Values
Rick, I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up In FrameMaker, a default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,... (on page 242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating attributes). So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in fact it is the only way you can. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported. I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Apply Default Attribute Values
Rick, I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up In FrameMaker, a default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,... (on page 242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating attributes). So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in fact it is the only way you can. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported. I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Apply Default Attribute Values
You can define a default value for an attribute, but as far as I know the process of importing an EDD won't change an attribute value from one thing to another. The default value is just the value of the attribute if it has no other value applied. I guess the question is, in the statement .. set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported .. does default refer to the FrameMaker concept of default (empty), or do you mean some actual default value ? Unless I'm misunderstanding the original question, I think you'll have to go with the script, Rick. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Spreadbury, David wrote: Rick, I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up In FrameMaker, a default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,... (on page 242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating attributes). So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in fact it is the only way you can. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported. I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Apply Default Attribute Values
Hi Rick... You're right .. these default values that you can define in the EDD, are not as useful as one might hope. They aren't exported to XML and they don't seem to have much purpose. However, the FDK (and I believe the EDD itself) can read the default as a value. So a plugin or structured application may be set up to process all widget elements with the enabled attribute set to on .. if on is the default, those elements would be processed if the enabled attribute has the explicit value of on or has no value (no value). It would be nice if there was some read/write rule that allowed you to enable the exporting of default values, of some way to make them more real .. Oh well. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Scott, I am not looking to change the attribute value from one thing to another. Here is the scenario: when you set a default value for attribute in the EDD, it will initially show in the structure view as italic. But if you double-click on the attribute, the attribute will show as no value in the Attribute window. And, from what I can tell, when you save the file as XML, these default attribute values don't export. You have to explicitly set the value in order for them to export. You can tell when an attribute value has been set, because they no longer display as italic in the structure view. After experimenting, I can use FrameScript to explicitly set these default attribute values so that they export to XML. But it does make me wonder: why have a default value for attributes when it doesn't seem to register unless you explicitly set it? Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com You can define a default value for an attribute, but as far as I know the process of importing an EDD won't change an attribute value from one thing to another. The default value is just the value of the attribute if it has no other value applied. I guess the question is, in the statement .. set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported .. does default refer to the FrameMaker concept of default (empty), or do you mean some actual default value ? Unless I'm misunderstanding the original question, I think you'll have to go with the script, Rick. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 ** To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** with unsubscribe framers (no quotes) in the body. ** ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Apply Default Attribute Values
Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to "set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported". I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com
Apply Default Attribute Values
Rick, I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up "In FrameMaker, a default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,..." (on page 242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating attributes). So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in fact it is the only way you can. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to "set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported". I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs
Apply Default Attribute Values
Rick, I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up "In FrameMaker, a default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,..." (on page 242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating attributes). So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in fact it is the only way you can. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values Hello Framers, I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to "set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported". I suspect that the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a FrameScript script. However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. Thanks in advance. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs
Apply Default Attribute Values
You can define a default value for an attribute, but as far as I know the process of importing an EDD won't change an attribute value from one thing to another. The "default" value is just the value of the attribute if it has no other value applied. I guess the question is, in the statement .. "set all attributes to default values when the EDD is imported" .. does "default" refer to the FrameMaker concept of default (empty), or do you mean "some actual default value" ? Unless I'm misunderstanding the original question, I think you'll have to go with the script, Rick. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Spreadbury, David wrote: > Rick, >I thought you could do this in the EDD, and you can, but it might depend >on the type of attribute. Search the Structure_Dev_Guide for default >attribute. I only got seven hits. Most of the hits are concerned with >the DTD, but there is a comment that keeps popping up "In FrameMaker, a >default attribute value can only be specified in the EDD,..." (on page >242, last line). Then there is a reference to page 176, where there is a >discussion on Default value. The discussion leads me to think graphics, >but in other hits, with the same comment, there is an example of a >labeled list where a default is applied (see page 229 in Translating >attributes). > >So my gut feel is Yes you can define default attributes in the EDD, in >fact it is the only way you can. > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co >m] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:07 AM >To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com >Subject: Apply Default Attribute Values > >Hello Framers, > >I have a client that wants to know if it is possible to "set all >attributes to default values when the EDD is imported". I suspect that >the answer is no, but I am pretty sure that it can be done with a >FrameScript script. >However, I don't want to propose a script if it can be done without one. > >Thanks in advance. > >Rick Quatro >Carmen Publishing >585-659-8267 >www.frameexpert.com > >The information contained in this message may be privileged >and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader >of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee >or agent responsible for delivering this message to the >intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, >dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly >prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, >please notify us immediately by replying to the message and >deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs > > > >
Apply Default Attribute Values
Hi Rick... You're right .. these "default" values that you can define in the EDD, are not as useful as one might hope. They aren't exported to XML and they don't seem to have much purpose. However, the FDK (and I believe the EDD itself) can read the default as a value. So a plugin or structured application may be set up to process all widget elements with the "enabled" attribute set to "on" .. if "on" is the "default", those elements would be processed if the "enabled" attribute has the explicit value of "on" or has no value (). It would be nice if there was some read/write rule that allowed you to enable the exporting of "default" values, of some way to make them more real .. Oh well. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Scott, > > I am not looking to change the attribute value from one thing to > another. Here is the scenario: when you set a default value for > attribute in the EDD, it will initially show in the structure view as > italic. But if you double-click on the attribute, the attribute will > show as in the Attribute window. And, from what I can tell, > when you save the file as XML, these default attribute values don't > export. You have to explicitly set the value in order for them to > export. You can tell when an attribute value has been set, because > they no longer display as italic in the structure view. > > After experimenting, I can use FrameScript to explicitly set these > default attribute values so that they export to XML. > > But it does make me wonder: why have a "default" value for attributes > when it doesn't seem to "register" unless you explicitly set it? > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > >> You can define a default value for an attribute, but as far as I know >> the process of importing an EDD won't change an attribute value from >> one thing to another. The "default" value is just the value of the >> attribute if it has no other value applied. >> >> I guess the question is, in the statement .. "set all attributes to >> default values when the EDD is imported" .. does "default" refer to >> the FrameMaker concept of default (empty), or do you mean "some >> actual default value" ? >> >> Unless I'm misunderstanding the original question, I think you'll >> have to go with the script, Rick. >> >> ...scott >> >> Scott Prentice >> Leximation, Inc. >> www.leximation.com >> +1.415.485.1892 > > > > ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo at omsys.com ** > ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. ** > > > >
