Re: CMYK Images in Frame
At 11:04 -0400 24/8/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another tangent: Were either the Illustrator or FrameMaker displayed colours IDENTICAL to the printed output? No, but the Illustrator color was a lot more identical than the FrameMaker color, which was way, way off. I suspect both were incorrect in some regard. It's only the final deliverable colour that's important. Sure, of course. All on-screen colors are merely an attempt to get close to the final output color. And that's completely dependent on the device producing the output (except for the unfortunate content that gets mangled by the OS between colour spaces before output). Output for this job is a bridge yet to be crossed ;-) Analogy: The only important factor is the colour of the paint when it dries. NOT the colour when it's in the can, or still wet on the wall. I'll admit it is worrying painting cabinets a shockingly bright pink. But they dried to the nice dark red we were looking for. This is a relevant analogy, as I'm currently redecorating my house. As I stick to various tones of insipid, I'm usually safe. Unlike the next-door neighbor of a friend, who painted the outside of his house a violent green by accident. As a surprise for his wife. Boy was she surprised. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
CMYK Images in Frame
At 16:35 -0400 23/8/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: >Welcome to the (hellish) world of colourmatching. Fussing with the colour >on screen is virtually meaningless. If the two are supposed to be the >same, they SHOULD be the same. If they are displaying differently, they >undoubtedly are different and do need edited in image editing software. A tangential remark: I recently worked on a job that used a key color. Although the CMYK mix was matched carefully across all the contributing applications, the actual color displayed totally differently in FrameMaker to Illustrator. When both the imported Illustrator work and the FrameMaker files were combined and output to PDF, the two 'different' colors appeared the same, and correct. I guess FrameMaker's color rendering is a little behind that of Adobe's CS2 applications. -- Steve
CMYK Images in Frame
That is what I'm experiencing. However, you don't get the true color until, in our applications, you run it through a 4-color process. -- Scott White Media Production Manager Implentation Coordinator AlaMark Technologies 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com > From: Steve Rickaby > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:39:40 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re: CMYK Images in Frame > > At 16:35 -0400 23/8/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: > >> Welcome to the (hellish) world of colourmatching. Fussing with the colour >> on screen is virtually meaningless. If the two are supposed to be the >> same, they SHOULD be the same. If they are displaying differently, they >> undoubtedly are different and do need edited in image editing software. > > A tangential remark: I recently worked on a job that used a key color. > Although the CMYK mix was matched carefully across all the contributing > applications, the actual color displayed totally differently in FrameMaker to > Illustrator. When both the imported Illustrator work and the FrameMaker files > were combined and output to PDF, the two 'different' colors appeared the same, > and correct. > > I guess FrameMaker's color rendering is a little behind that of Adobe's CS2 > applications. > > -- > Steve > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as swhite at alamark.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
CMYK Images in Frame
Steve Rickaby wrote on 08/24/2006 04:39:40 AM: > When both the imported > Illustrator work and the FrameMaker files were combined and output > to PDF, the two 'different' colors appeared the same, and correct. Another tangent: Were either the Illustrator or FrameMaker displayed colours IDENTICAL to the printed output? I suspect both were "incorrect" in some regard. It's only the final deliverable colour that's important. And that's completely dependent on the device producing the output (except for the unfortunate content that gets mangled by the OS between colour spaces before output). I think that will account for display differences. CS2 applications use Adobes CMYK display filters. FrameMaker is stuck using Windows GDI (which is RGB). Analogy: The only important factor is the colour of the paint when it dries. NOT the colour when it's in the can, or still wet on the wall. I'll admit it is worrying painting cabinets a shockingly bright pink. But they dried to the nice dark red we were looking for. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
CMYK Images in Frame
At 11:04 -0400 24/8/06, eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: >Another tangent: Were either the Illustrator or FrameMaker displayed colours >IDENTICAL to the printed output? No, but the Illustrator color was a lot more identical than the FrameMaker color, which was way, way off. >I suspect both were "incorrect" in some regard. It's only the final >deliverable colour that's important. Sure, of course. All on-screen colors are merely an attempt to get close to the final output color. > And that's completely dependent on the device producing the output (except > for the unfortunate content that gets mangled by the OS between colour spaces > before output). Output for this job is a bridge yet to be crossed ;-) >Analogy: The only important factor is the colour of the paint when it >dries. NOT the colour when it's in the can, or still wet on the wall. I'll >admit it is worrying painting cabinets a shockingly bright pink. But they >dried to the nice dark red we were looking for. This is a relevant analogy, as I'm currently redecorating my house. As I stick to various tones of insipid, I'm usually safe. Unlike the next-door neighbor of a friend, who painted the outside of his house a violent green by accident. As a surprise for his wife. Boy was she surprised. -- Steve
CMYK Images in Frame
I have two cmyk images that I copied into Framemaker 7.2 on the PC. They are both made by Makita. Makita's color is a teal/aqua color. One image looks teal/aqua in color like it should in Frame, however, the other image looks like Seafoam -- a greenish, blueish color. In photoshop the images are slightly different in color, brightness and contrast. Why does Frame display like this? Is there a fix in Frame? In photoshop I can fix the image but its time consuming and a lot of trial and error. The bottom line is I have a client who doesn't want to send his files out to the printer but print them on a color printer. Thus his images do not all look correct when printed on the business printer. We always send out files out to print thus we have never discovered this problem. Any help, suggestions would be appreciated. -- Scott White Media Production Manager Implentation Coordinator AlaMark Technologies 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: CMYK Images in Frame
Framers framers@FrameUsers.com wrote on 08/22/2006 03:52:23 PM: The bottom line is I have a client who doesn't want to send his files out to the printer but print them on a color printer. Welcome to the (hellish) world of colourmatching. Fussing with the colour on screen is virtually meaningless. If the two are supposed to be the same, they SHOULD be the same. If they are displaying differently, they undoubtedly are different and do need edited in image editing software. As for what exact colour is shown on screen and what is printed, well it depends on the strengths, weaknesses, and settings of each device (whether screen or printer). On a printer, the output will be affected by what paper and processes are used. If the colours used are selected using Pantone numbers or other matching system, you have the basis for the expectation that the final printed output is identical to the Pantone swatch. If the printer and media have been correctly colour matched. If the colours are being designed on-screen and you want your output to exactly match the on-screen colour, you have to colour match and adjust the display before doing colour work, colour match the printer, and know what the colour limitations of your devices are. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
CMYK Images in Frame
Framers wrote on 08/22/2006 03:52:23 PM: > The bottom line is I have a client who doesn't want to send his files out to > the printer but print them on a color printer. Welcome to the (hellish) world of colourmatching. Fussing with the colour on screen is virtually meaningless. If the two are supposed to be the same, they SHOULD be the same. If they are displaying differently, they undoubtedly are different and do need edited in image editing software. As for what exact colour is shown on screen and what is printed, well it depends on the strengths, weaknesses, and settings of each device (whether screen or printer). On a printer, the output will be affected by what paper and processes are used. If the colours used are selected using Pantone numbers or other matching system, you have the basis for the expectation that the final printed output is identical to the Pantone swatch. If the printer and media have been correctly colour matched. If the colours are being designed on-screen and you want your output to exactly match the on-screen colour, you have to colour match and adjust the display before doing colour work, colour match the printer, and know what the colour limitations of your devices are. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
CMYK Images in Frame
I have two cmyk images that I copied into Framemaker 7.2 on the PC. They are both made by Makita. Makita's color is a teal/aqua color. One image looks teal/aqua in color like it should in Frame, however, the other image looks like Seafoam -- a greenish, blueish color. In photoshop the images are slightly different in color, brightness and contrast. Why does Frame display like this? Is there a fix in Frame? In photoshop I can fix the image but its time consuming and a lot of trial and error. The bottom line is I have a client who doesn't want to send his files out to the printer but print them on a color printer. Thus his images do not all look correct when printed on the business printer. We always send out files out to print thus we have never discovered this problem. Any help, suggestions would be appreciated. -- Scott White Media Production Manager Implentation Coordinator AlaMark Technologies 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com
