RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
for which I am very grateful:

Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No,
save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
paragraph format.

Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.

As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in 
FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? 
What is its purpose?

-- 
Steve
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RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Reng, Winfried Dr.
Hi Steve,

I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation
it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset
before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph
retained its flag.

I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in
the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem.

Best regards

Winfried

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 Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
 
 
 At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:
 
 Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, 
 the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - 
 the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, 
 Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for 
 which I am very grateful:
 
 Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
 of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No,
 save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
 paragraph format.
 
 Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.
 
 As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there 
 a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can 
 in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose?
 
 -- 
 Steve
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RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:43 +0200 20/6/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:

I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation
it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset
before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph
retained its flag.

I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in
the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem.

Thanks. Added to the Little Bag of Knowledge.

Clearly FrameMaker sets it for a purpose, by itself, but sometimes forgets to 
clear it. Last time I saw that happen in software, the 747 ended up flying in 
circles around the VOR beacon. But that's another story... ;-)

-- 
Steve
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RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Parcell, Michelle
Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
for which I am very grateful:

Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No,
save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
paragraph format.

Thanks again, Winfried!

Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:49 AM
To: Parcell, Michelle; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Can't Change Paragraph Tag


At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at 
the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it 
up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove 
that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are 
then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've 
tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any 
suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under 
deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter 
that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to 
another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] 
Or does it keep coming back?

There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the 
day...

-- 
Steve 
 
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RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Parcell, Michelle
I have no idea. This particular file had a clean template applied to it and we 
never mess with MIF files. Maybe Winfried can tell us how such things are set.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:23 AM
To: Parcell, Michelle; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag


At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
for which I am very grateful:

Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
of the chapter has a property PgfLocked Yes. Set this to No,
save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
paragraph format.

Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.

As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in 
FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? 
What is its purpose?

-- 
Steve 
 
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Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

>Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at 
>the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it 
>up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove 
>that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are 
>then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've 
>tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any 
>suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under 
>deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at 
>michelle_parcell at g1.com.

Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter 
that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to 
another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] 
Or does it keep coming back?

There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the 
day...

-- 
Steve



Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

>Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
>that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
>it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
>for which I am very grateful:
>
>Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
>of the chapter has a property . Set this to No,
>save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
>paragraph format.

Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.

As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in 
FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? 
What is its purpose?

-- 
Steve



Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Reng, Winfried Dr.
Hi Steve,

I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation
it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset
before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph
retained its flag.

I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in
the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> ]On Behalf
> Of Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:23 PM
> To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag
> 
> 
> At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:
> 
> >Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, 
> the problem was that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - 
> the tag wouldn't let me manipulate it in any way. However, 
> Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and for 
> which I am very grateful:
> >
> >Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
> >of the chapter has a property . Set this to No,
> >save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
> >paragraph format.
> 
> Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.
> 
> As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there 
> a control in FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can 
> in only be done in the MIF? What is its purpose?
> 
> -- 
> Steve



Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:43 +0200 20/6/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:

>I don't know when this flag gets set. In the MIF documentation
>it mentions text insets. Eventually there was a text inset
>before/after this paragraph which was deleted and the paragraph
>retained its flag.
>
>I had the same problem some time ago and noticed this flag in
>the MIF file. Deleting it fixed the problem.

Thanks. Added to the Little Bag of Knowledge.

Clearly FrameMaker sets it for a purpose, by itself, but sometimes forgets to 
clear it. Last time I saw that happen in software, the 747 ended up flying in 
circles around the VOR beacon. But that's another story... ;-)

-- 
Steve



Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Parcell, Michelle
Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
for which I am very grateful:

Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
of the chapter has a property . Set this to No,
save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
paragraph format.

Thanks again, Winfried!

Michelle

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:49 AM
To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Can't Change Paragraph Tag


At 10:44 -0400 19/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

>Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at 
>the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it 
>up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove 
>that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are 
>then placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've 
>tried removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any 
>suggestions are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under 
>deadline, I would also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at 
>michelle_parcell at g1.com.

Am I being obtuse here? You have an extraneous blank H1 at the end of a chapter 
that is messing with your TOC? Why not just remove the H1, or change it to 
another tag? In the document? [Can't see the need for MIF manipulation here.] 
Or does it keep coming back?

There must be more to this, but I'm only on my second strong coffee of the 
day...

-- 
Steve 

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Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-20 Thread Parcell, Michelle
I have no idea. This particular file had a clean template applied to it and we 
never mess with MIF files. Maybe Winfried can tell us how such things are set.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 6:23 AM
To: Parcell, Michelle; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Can't Change Paragraph Tag


At 09:11 -0400 20/6/07, Parcell, Michelle wrote:

>Thanks, Steve and Kimber, for the suggestion. Unfortunately, the problem was 
>that I *couldn't* remove it or change it - the tag wouldn't let me manipulate 
>it in any way. However, Winfried Reng did provide a solution that worked and 
>for which I am very grateful:
>
>Check in the MIF file whether this H1 paragraph at the end
>of the chapter has a property . Set this to No,
>save the MIF file, reopen and see, whether you can change the
>paragraph format.

Heavy. I retract my remark about MIF manipulation.

As a matter of interest, how does this flag get set? Is there a control in 
FrameMaker to lock a paragraph like this, or can in only be done in the MIF? 
What is its purpose?

-- 
Steve 

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Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-19 Thread Parcell, Michelle
Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at 
the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it 
up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove 
that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are then 
placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've tried 
removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any suggestions 
are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under deadline, I would 
also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Thanks much!

Michelle Parcell 
 
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Can't Change Paragraph Tag

2007-06-19 Thread Parcell, Michelle
Hello, all. I'm having a problem removing or changing a paragraph tag. It's at 
the end of a chapter and is a Heading 1 tag, which means my TOC is picking it 
up as a blank H1 at the end of the chapter. Of course I can manually remove 
that line from the TOC, but we use AutoMap to generate our PDFs, which are then 
placed in a repository, so that's not the ideal way to handle this. We've tried 
removing it in the MIF version but that doesn't help either. Any suggestions 
are greatly appreciated, and since I'm on digest and under deadline, I would 
also appreciate responses being sent to me directly at michelle_parcell at 
g1.com. 

Thanks much!

Michelle Parcell 

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