Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Shane Taylor]

I've seen this error and do not use Franklin Gothic Demi, so I don't 
think it's specific to that font. I've also encountered it in paragraphs 
that have no overrides or character styles applied at all.


It seems like the spell checker makes the assumption that your most 
likely error is omitted spaces, if it can find any smaller words in your 
misspelled word. If the assumption were instead that your most likely 
mistake was to have misspelled a single word, the first suggestion would 
more often be correct.


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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Gary Bankston]

I've opened a couple old Frame docs V7.2, V8, and V9 and just gone looking
for a specific phrase that I knew a word was misspelled. Found it in V7.2,
and V8, Flew right past it and found no misspelled words in V9. Same thing
with searching for a number sequence in Find/Change. I know it's there, I
can see it, but Frame can't seem to find it. If Spell Checker can't see it,
and Find/Change can't find it, I'm finding myself doing a lot of proofing.
To the positive side of all this, I've found a lot of sentences that clearly
needed more clarification and/or could be better written. Now a quick
proof-read turns into a lengthy re-write.

gb

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 I've seen this error and do not use Franklin Gothic Demi, so I don't think
 it's specific to that font. I've also encountered it in paragraphs that have
 no overrides or character styles applied at all.

 It seems like the spell checker makes the assumption that your most likely
 error is omitted spaces, if it can find any smaller words in your misspelled
 word. If the assumption were instead that your most likely mistake was to
 have misspelled a single word, the first suggestion would more often be
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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Tony Marek]

Ok, so many of us have experience Frame spell-check (and Find) problems 
over many releases. Has anyone submitted a bug to Adobe on this? Was 
there an answer or, more probably, a months long back and forth that 
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Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Jenny Greenleaf]

I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with 
the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I 
traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. 
Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well.

Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the 
spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that 
tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me.  I'm glad to know the 
spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.)

THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM:
• Click in the document
• Find panel → Select find Character Format
• Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
• Select Language=None
• In Change → Select Character Format
• Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
• Select Language=US English
• Click Change All
• Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word.

In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US 
English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character 
tag. I know now!

Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he 
figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the 
rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character 
format that was set to US English.

Jenny


Begin forwarded message:

 From: William Abernathy will...@inch.com
 Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT
 To: jennygreenl...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
 
 I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign 
 dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the 
 paragraph  language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had 
 to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the 
 language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's 
 been a while since I've seen this problem).
 
 
 Jenny Greenleaf wrote:
 Great ideas, thank you. Sadly
 
 I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod
 away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work.
 
 The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it.
 
 The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds
 it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word.
 
 Back to proofing
 
 Jenny
 
 
 
 
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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Frank Stearns]

On Fri, 28 May 2010, Jenny Greenleaf wrote:

-snips -

In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not 
set to US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply 
language to a character tag. I know now!



As a FrameMaker Geezer, this should have tripped a little bell in 
the back of my head. D'oh!


Language NONE behavior with the spell checker is actually a handy 
feature. You can set code examples this way so as to avoid a lot of 
busy work when the spell checker walks through snippets of example 
programming code that might be in your docs.


Glad you got it fixed and found this FM feature,

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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Jenny Greenleaf]

I'm not sure I would call it fixed. It's still a bug that the tag makes the 
spelling checker miss errors in the rest of the paragraph. In my case, the rest 
of the paragraph contained text formatted as Default Font.

I'm just happy I have a workaround and pleased that Adobe cared enough to 
respond. 

J


On May 28, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote:

 On Fri, 28 May 2010, Jenny Greenleaf wrote:
 
 -snips -
 
 In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to 
 US English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a 
 character tag. I know now!
 
 
 As a FrameMaker Geezer, this should have tripped a little bell in the back 
 of my head. D'oh!
 
 Language NONE behavior with the spell checker is actually a handy feature. 
 You can set code examples this way so as to avoid a lot of busy work when the 
 spell checker walks through snippets of example programming code that might 
 be in your docs.
 
 Glad you got it fixed and found this FM feature,
 
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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Mike Wickham]

THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM:
• Click in the document
• Find panel → Select find Character Format
• Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
• Select Language=None
• In Change → Select Character Format
• Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
• Select Language=US English
• Click Change All
• Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word.



Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any 
character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. 
Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the 
language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as 
one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the 
document.


It seems that something else is very wrong.

FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3
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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Jenny Greenleaf]

You had better luck than I did.

I thought I'd try it on a book. I did Change All, waited about forever, then 
had to CTRL-ALT-DEL to get out. 

Then I tried it on just a chapter. Same result. Am rebooting everything.

This procedure worked great in a very, very small file--maybe 4 paragraphs. 
That was the file Amit was working with. 

Darn! I thought I had it. 

FM9p250 on Windows XP SP3, running under VMWare Fusion on a Mac
Jenny Greenleaf

On May 28, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

 THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM:
 • Click in the document
 • Find panel → Select find Character Format
 • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
 • Select Language=None
 • In Change → Select Character Format
 • Press Shift + F8 key to make it As Is
 • Select Language=US English
 • Click Change All
 • Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word.
 
 
 Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any 
 character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. 
 Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the language 
 to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as one line or 
 as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the document.
 
 It seems that something else is very wrong.
 
 FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3
 Mike Wickham
 
 
 
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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Gary Bankston]

I've opened a couple old Frame docs V7.2, V8, and V9 and just gone looking
for a specific phrase that I knew a word was misspelled. Found it in V7.2,
and V8, Flew right past it and found no misspelled words in V9. Same thing
with searching for a number sequence in Find/Change. I know it's there, I
can see it, but Frame can't seem to find it. If Spell Checker can't see it,
and Find/Change can't find it, I'm finding myself doing a lot of proofing.
To the positive side of all this, I've found a lot of sentences that clearly
needed more clarification and/or could be better written. Now a quick
proof-read turns into a lengthy re-write.

gb

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Shane Taylor  wrote:

> I've seen this error and do not use Franklin Gothic Demi, so I don't think
> it's specific to that font. I've also encountered it in paragraphs that have
> no overrides or character styles applied at all.
>
> It seems like the spell checker makes the assumption that your most likely
> error is omitted spaces, if it can find any smaller words in your misspelled
> word. If the assumption were instead that your most likely mistake was to
> have misspelled a single word, the first suggestion would more often be
> correct.
>
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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Tony Marek]

Ok, so many of us have experience Frame spell-check (and Find) problems 
over many releases. Has anyone submitted a bug to Adobe on this? Was 
there an answer or, more probably, a months long back and forth that 
lead nowhere?

Tony

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Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Jenny Greenleaf]

I was very pleased that the Adobe engineers were interested in my problem with 
the spelling checker not finding obviously misspelled words. Amit Agarwal and I 
traded several emails and files, and he found the reason and a fix. 
Co-incidentally, William's suggestion landed in my email box today as well.

Apparently character tags can be set to None for language, which makes the 
spelling checker skip the rest of the paragraph, even if it doesn't use that 
tag. Here's is Amit's workaround, which worked for me.  I'm glad to know the 
spelling checker isn't just batty. (Except for the corrections suggestions.)

THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM:
? Click in the document
? Find panel ? Select find Character Format
? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is"
? Select "Language=None"
? In Change ? Select Character Format
? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is"
? Select "Language=US English"
? Click "Change All"
? Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word.

In my file, I had a character tag used for run-in heads that was not set to US 
English. I had never really noticed that you can apply language to a character 
tag. I know now!

Anyway, thanks to all of you, and thanks to Amit who stuck with it until he 
figured it out. It does seem to be a bug that the spelling checker skips the 
rest of the paragraph. The misspelled word definitely carried a character 
format that was set to US English.

Jenny


Begin forwarded message:

> From: William Abernathy 
> Date: May 28, 2010 10:26:01 AM PDT
> To: jennygreenleaf at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
> 
> I have seen individual words and portions of paragraphs carrying foreign 
> dictionary tags that were riding along with the text, but unresponsive to the 
> paragraph > language setting at the paragraph level. If memory serves, I had 
> to highlight the text without crossing a p-tag boundary and manually set the 
> language back to None, or US English (sorry I can't be more specific -- it's 
> been a while since I've seen this problem).
> 
> 
> Jenny Greenleaf wrote:
>> Great ideas, thank you. Sadly
>> 
>> I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod
>> away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work.
>> 
>> The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it.
>> 
>> The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds
>> it when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word.
>> 
>> Back to proofing
>> 
>> Jenny
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> William Abernathy
> Berkeley, CA
> http://yourwritereditor.com

Can the spelling checker be trusted? Yes!

[Mike Wickham]

> THE STEPS I DID TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM:
> ? Click in the document
> ? Find panel ? Select find Character Format
> ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is"
> ? Select "Language=None"
> ? In Change ? Select Character Format
> ? Press Shift + F8 key to make it "As Is"
> ? Select "Language=US English"
> ? Click "Change All"
> ? Spell Check again, Spell Checker should find the misspelled word.


Well, darn. I thought I'd try that procedure, just to see if I had any 
character formats set to language of None that I might want to change. 
Unfortunately, FM9 finds _everything in the document_ when I set the 
language to None. It skips around the document finding blocks as short as 
one line or as long as several pages, until it has found everything in the 
document.

It seems that something else is very wrong.

FM9 p250 on Windows XP SP3
Mike Wickham

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Shane Taylor]

I've seen this error and do not use Franklin Gothic Demi, so I don't 
think it's specific to that font. I've also encountered it in paragraphs 
that have no overrides or character styles applied at all.

It seems like the spell checker makes the assumption that your most 
likely error is omitted spaces, if it can find any smaller words in your 
misspelled word. If the assumption were instead that your most likely 
mistake was to have misspelled a single word, the first suggestion would 
more often be correct.

-- 
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WebAssign  |  919.829.8181 x147

Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

Just one more data point about the spelling checker bug that might help someone 
else

I was preparing a stripped down version of the file to send to the Adobe 
engineers who asked for it. (That's nice!)

While trying a couple more times to reproduce it, I noticed that it did not 
find misspelled words in paragraphs that started with my bold font-Franklin 
Gothic Demi. That seemed to be the only thing similar in the paragraphs I 
created that showed the problem. If a paragraph started with the default font 
(Franklin Gothic Book), Frame found the spelling errors. I was easily able to 
create this case in a blank file.

I don't know if any override causes it to miss, or if it's something special 
about Franklin Gothic Demi. At least I know now that I should scrutinize 
paragraphs that start with bold words extra, extra carefully.

Not that I don't proofread every page. 

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR
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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did  
it?

Could explain explain the resurgence ;)

Alan

On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:

> Hi Jenny...
>
> This brings up my memory of "the evil dot." Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM  
> 4 or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I  
> could search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and  
> it would never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the  
> word without trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found  
> that if the cursor was after a certain point in the file, the word  
> could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, I discovered that  
> the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this period  
> everything worked fine.
>
> What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that  
> caused any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I  
> could copy this character into any other file and the same thing  
> would happen .. but if I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing  
> apparently special about it .. just a simple period.
>
> I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but  
> somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your  
> file).
>
> I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if  
> you also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away  
> from the word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try  
> searching backwards. Who knows.
>
> I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a  
> serious problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this  
> is a totally different problem.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>

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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

Just one more data point about the spelling checker bug that might help someone 
else

I was preparing a stripped down version of the file to send to the Adobe 
engineers who asked for it. (That's nice!)

While trying a couple more times to reproduce it, I noticed that it did not 
find misspelled words in paragraphs that started with my bold font-Franklin 
Gothic Demi. That seemed to be the only thing similar in the paragraphs I 
created that showed the problem. If a paragraph started with the default font 
(Franklin Gothic Book), Frame found the spelling errors. I was easily able to 
create this case in a blank file.

I don't know if any override causes it to miss, or if it's something special 
about Franklin Gothic Demi. At least I know now that I should scrutinize 
paragraphs that start with bold words extra, extra carefully.

Not that I don't proofread every page. 

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.

Yikes!

I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: 
include was spelled imclude.  I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous 
times and didn't understand why this was still there.

I tried a few things:

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire 
book. Did not find error.

Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell 
Check for the document. Did not find the error.

Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check.  
Found the error. 

I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few 
months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling 
checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the 
spelling checker is declining rapidly. 

I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 

Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first line of 
a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a 
word in a sentence.

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


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RE: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Owen, Clint]

We are still on FM 7.0, so this might not be applicable. We are also
still on Win XP

The behavior of spell checker described below sounds a lot like
something that used to happen when I was using spell check and
find-and-replace over and over on a very large document with lots of
instances of the search objects. After working intensely for several
hours, FM would suddenly stop finding things that I knew were there,
such as words misspelled certain ways or just text that needed to be
replaced. It was as if some buffer had become filled up and it could no
longer hold the found items, so they were ignored. If I closed all of
the files and restarted FM everything went back to normal.

HTH,

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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.

Yikes!

I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling
error: include was spelled imclude.  I knew I had spell-checked the
book numerous times and didn't understand why this was still there.

I tried a few things:

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for
entire book. Did not find error.

Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did
Spell Check for the document. Did not find the error.

Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell
Check.  Found the error. 

I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past
few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the
spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my
confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. 

I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 

Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first
line of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that,
it's just a word in a sentence.

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Jenny...

This brings up my memory of the evil dot. Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 
or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could 
search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would 
never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without 
trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor 
was after a certain point in the file, the word could be found. After a 
bit of thrashing about, I discovered that the culprit was a period (the 
evil dot). If I deleted this period everything worked fine.


What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused 
any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this 
character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if 
I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it 
.. just a simple period.


I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but 
somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file).


I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you 
also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the 
word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching 
backwards. Who knows.


I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious 
problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally 
different problem.


Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892




Jenny Greenleaf wrote:

FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.

Yikes!

I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: include was 
spelled imclude.  I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous times and 
didn't understand why this was still there.

I tried a few things:

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire 
book. Did not find error.

Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell 
Check for the document. Did not find the error.

Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check.  Found the error. 

I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. 

I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 


Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first line of 
a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a 
word in a sentence.

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


  

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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Alan T Litchfield]

Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did  
it?


Could explain explain the resurgence ;)

Alan

On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:


Hi Jenny...

This brings up my memory of the evil dot. Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM  
4 or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I  
could search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and  
it would never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the  
word without trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found  
that if the cursor was after a certain point in the file, the word  
could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, I discovered that  
the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this period  
everything worked fine.


What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that  
caused any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I  
could copy this character into any other file and the same thing  
would happen .. but if I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing  
apparently special about it .. just a simple period.


I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but  
somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your  
file).


I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if  
you also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away  
from the word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try  
searching backwards. Who knows.


I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a  
serious problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this  
is a totally different problem.


Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892




--
Alan T Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice

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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

It does! It says it's name.no wait, this is Monday. Drat.

I tried putting the cursor in various places around the miscreant word. It 
finds it only if it is in the same paragraph. The paragraph is only four lines 
long, but breaks across two pages. The cursor must be before the word, but not 
after. It doesn't matter which page.

Frame's spelling checker does not appear to work backwards. 

There's also an option under Dictionaries to Mark All Paragraphs for 
Rechecking.  It's an odd dialog box, full of rather unrelated radio button 
options. Anyway, I tried the Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking  option, but 
it didn't make any difference.

Closing Frame and restarting it didn't help either, though it does make my 
scroll bars work again for a time. 

Frame seems rather unbelievably buggy sometimes considering what I paid for it. 

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


On May 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote:

 Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did it?
 
 Could explain explain the resurgence ;)
 
 Alan
 
 On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
 
 Hi Jenny...
 
 This brings up my memory of the evil dot. Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 or 5) 
 I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could search 
 (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would never find 
 it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without trouble. Spell 
 checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor was after a certain 
 point in the file, the word could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, 
 I discovered that the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this 
 period everything worked fine.
 
 What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused any 
 processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this 
 character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if I 
 saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it .. just 
 a simple period.
 
 I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but somewhere 
 along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file).
 
 I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you also 
 can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the word you 
 can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching backwards. Who 
 knows.
 
 I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious 
 problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally 
 different problem.
 
 Cheers,
 
 ...scott
 
 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892
 
 
 
 --
 Alan T Litchfield
 AlphaByte
 PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
 New Zealand
 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
 

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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Mike Wickham]

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for 
entire book. Did not find error.




Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted 
checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is 
included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will 
not find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit 
Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will 
find a checkbox for Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking. This clears the 
already checked spelling flags in the document. The downside is that the 
spelling checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but 
passed without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you 
will be presented with them again.


Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to 
Paragraph Designer Fonts tab Language setting. If it is set to None, FM 
will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to 
a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it.


Mike Wickham


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Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

Great ideas, thank you. Sadly

I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod 
away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work.

The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. 

The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it 
when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word.

Back to proofing

Jenny


On May 24, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

 Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for 
 entire book. Did not find error.
 
 
 Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted 
 checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is 
 included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will not 
 find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit 
 Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will find 
 a checkbox for Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking. This clears the already 
 checked spelling flags in the document. The downside is that the spelling 
 checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but passed 
 without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you will be 
 presented with them again.
 
 Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to 
 Paragraph Designer Fonts tab Language setting. If it is set to None, FM 
 will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to 
 a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it.
 
 Mike Wickham
 
 
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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.

Yikes!

I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: 
include was spelled "imclude".  I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous 
times and didn't understand why this was still there.

I tried a few things:

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire 
book. Did not find error.

Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell 
Check for the document. Did not find the error.

Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check.  
Found the error. 

I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few 
months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling 
checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the 
spelling checker is declining rapidly. 

I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 

Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first line of 
a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a 
word in a sentence.

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Owen, Clint]

We are still on FM 7.0, so this might not be applicable. We are also
still on Win XP

The behavior of spell checker described below sounds a lot like
something that used to happen when I was using spell check and
find-and-replace over and over on a very large document with lots of
instances of the search objects. After working intensely for several
hours, FM would suddenly stop finding things that I knew were there,
such as words misspelled certain ways or just text that needed to be
replaced. It was as if some buffer had become filled up and it could no
longer hold the found items, so they were ignored. If I closed all of
the files and restarted FM everything went back to normal.

HTH,

Clint


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny
Greenleaf
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Can the spelling checker be trusted?

FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.

Yikes!

I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling
error: include was spelled "imclude".  I knew I had spell-checked the
book numerous times and didn't understand why this was still there.

I tried a few things:

Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for
entire book. Did not find error.

Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did
Spell Check for the document. Did not find the error.

Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell
Check.  Found the error. 

I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past
few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the
spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my
confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. 

I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 

Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first
line of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that,
it's just a word in a sentence.

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


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Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Jenny...

This brings up my memory of "the evil dot." Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 
or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could 
search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would 
never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without 
trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor 
was after a certain point in the file, the word could be found. After a 
bit of thrashing about, I discovered that the culprit was a period (the 
evil dot). If I deleted this period everything worked fine.

What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused 
any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this 
character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if 
I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it 
.. just a simple period.

I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but 
somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file).

I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you 
also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the 
word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching 
backwards. Who knows.

I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious 
problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally 
different problem.

Cheers,

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892




Jenny Greenleaf wrote:
> FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro.
>
> Yikes!
>
> I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: 
> include was spelled "imclude".  I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous 
> times and didn't understand why this was still there.
>
> I tried a few things:
>
> Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire 
> book. Did not find error.
>
> Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell 
> Check for the document. Did not find the error.
>
> Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check.  
> Found the error. 
>
> I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few 
> months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling 
> checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the 
> spelling checker is declining rapidly. 
>
> I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. 
>
> Any ideas what would cause this?  The word in question is in the first line 
> of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just 
> a word in a sentence.
>
> Jenny Greenleaf
> Portland, OR
>
>
>   

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

It does! It says it's name.no wait, this is Monday. Drat.

I tried putting the cursor in various places around the miscreant word. It 
finds it only if it is in the same paragraph. The paragraph is only four lines 
long, but breaks across two pages. The cursor must be before the word, but not 
after. It doesn't matter which page.

Frame's spelling checker does not appear to work backwards. 

There's also an option under "Dictionaries" to "Mark All Paragraphs for 
Rechecking."  It's an odd dialog box, full of rather unrelated radio button 
options. Anyway, I tried the "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking"  option, but 
it didn't make any difference.

Closing Frame and restarting it didn't help either, though it does make my 
scroll bars work again for a time. 

Frame seems rather unbelievably buggy sometimes considering what I paid for it. 

Jenny Greenleaf
Portland, OR


On May 24, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote:

> Didn't happen to have white stripes and go by the name of Freddie did it?
> 
> Could explain explain the resurgence ;)
> 
> Alan
> 
> On 25/05/2010, at 10:35 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jenny...
>> 
>> This brings up my memory of "the evil dot." Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 or 5) 
>> I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could search 
>> (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would never find 
>> it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without trouble. Spell 
>> checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor was after a certain 
>> point in the file, the word could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, 
>> I discovered that the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this 
>> period everything worked fine.
>> 
>> What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused any 
>> processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this 
>> character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if I 
>> saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it .. just 
>> a simple period.
>> 
>> I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but somewhere 
>> along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file).
>> 
>> I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you also 
>> can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the word you 
>> can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching backwards. Who 
>> knows.
>> 
>> I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious 
>> problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally 
>> different problem.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> ...scott
>> 
>> Scott Prentice
>> Leximation, Inc.
>> www.leximation.com
>> +1.415.485.1892
>> 
>> 
> 
> --
> Alan T Litchfield
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
> New Zealand
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
> 

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Mike Wickham]

> Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for 
> entire book. Did not find error.
>

Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted 
checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is 
included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will 
not find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit> 
Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will 
find a checkbox for "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking." This clears the 
"already checked spelling" flags in the document. The downside is that the 
spelling checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but 
passed without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you 
will be presented with them again.

Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to 
Paragraph Designer> Fonts tab> Language setting. If it is set to "None," FM 
will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to 
a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it.

Mike Wickham

Can the spelling checker be trusted?

[Jenny Greenleaf]

Great ideas, thank you. Sadly

I did do the option to reset all paragraphs. I even made sure to tear the pod 
away from the side so the sub-pod dialog might work.

The paragraph is set to US English. There are no overrides on it. 

The word can't be in a dictionary since the spelling checker correctly finds it 
when the cursor is placed in the same paragraph with the offending word.

Back to proofing

Jenny


On May 24, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

>> Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for 
>> entire book. Did not find error.
>> 
> 
> Once FM has checked a paragraph, it marks it so that time will not be wasted 
> checking it again, unless the paragraph itself changes. So if the word is 
> included in a paragraph that has already been checked and passed, FM will not 
> find and flag the word. You can reset this behavior by going to Edit> 
> Spelling Checker and clicking on the Dictionaries button. There you will find 
> a checkbox for "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking." This clears the "already 
> checked spelling" flags in the document. The downside is that the spelling 
> checker will then refind any words that you checked before, but passed 
> without actually adding them to your personal dictionary-- and you will be 
> presented with them again.
> 
> Another thing to check is the paragraph format holding the word. Go to 
> Paragraph Designer> Fonts tab> Language setting. If it is set to "None," FM 
> will not check that paragraph for spelling, no matter what you do. Set it to 
> a language and FM will use the appropriate language dictionary to check it.
> 
> Mike Wickham
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