Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

[Lin Sims]

I did not know this. So I can set this up in the docs I use as a template?
COOL!

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 3:02 AM Reng Winfried 
wrote:

> Hi Lin,
>
> The Change Bar properties are in Format | Document |
> Change Bars. The properties are part of the Page Layout.
> Therefore you can make these properties part of your template
> and import the Page Layout with the Change Bar Properties
> into other files.
> Does this help or do you already know all this?
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:54 PM
> To: Monique Semp 
> Cc: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars
>
> I must not have been clear.
>
> I know you can reset the color using Change Bar Properties. The annoyance
> is you can only do it on a file-by-file or a book-by-book basis.
>
> I don't want to have to go into Change Bar Properties to do this. I want
> it to be part of the default preferences I can set for FrameMaker, so that
> when I turn the automatic change bar property on, I don't also have to set
> the color and position, it is already set the way I want. In other words, I
> want to be able to go into something like the Preferences screen and say,
> make my change bars red anytime I have them on.
>
> As I said, kinda petty, but I figure if they can automatically set it to
> default to Black, there's no reason the default color can't be set to some
> other color, right?
>
> Oddly, I appear to have given the same response Monique gave back in
> February to someone in the Adobe Forums who wanted to do something similar.
> :D Funny how things come around, innit?
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM Monique Semp 
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, one can change it, in the "Change Bar Properties". I'm betting
> > the "how" differs based on FrameMaker version, so perhaps check out
> > the image results for a google search:
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=framemaker+change+bar+color=isch
> > ource=hp=X=2ahUKEwiHsJ3Y6arkAhUJF6wKHcjOBdAQ7Al6BAgFECQ
> > .
> >
> > -Monique
> >
> > On 8/30/19 7:34 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> >
> > I find it very irritating that the change bar color defaults to Black,
> > when I want Red. Is there a command I can add to maker.ini or one of
> > the .cfg files that will make it default to red.
> >
> > Petty, I know, but it scratches at me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

[Reng Winfried]

Hi Lin,

The Change Bar properties are in Format | Document |
Change Bars. The properties are part of the Page Layout.
Therefore you can make these properties part of your template 
and import the Page Layout with the Change Bar Properties 
into other files.
Does this help or do you already know all this?

Best regards

Winfried

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

I must not have been clear.

I know you can reset the color using Change Bar Properties. The annoyance is 
you can only do it on a file-by-file or a book-by-book basis.

I don't want to have to go into Change Bar Properties to do this. I want it to 
be part of the default preferences I can set for FrameMaker, so that when I 
turn the automatic change bar property on, I don't also have to set the color 
and position, it is already set the way I want. In other words, I want to be 
able to go into something like the Preferences screen and say, make my change 
bars red anytime I have them on.

As I said, kinda petty, but I figure if they can automatically set it to 
default to Black, there's no reason the default color can't be set to some 
other color, right?

Oddly, I appear to have given the same response Monique gave back in February 
to someone in the Adobe Forums who wanted to do something similar.
:D Funny how things come around, innit?

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM Monique Semp 
wrote:

> Yes, one can change it, in the "Change Bar Properties". I'm betting 
> the "how" differs based on FrameMaker version, so perhaps check out 
> the image results for a google search:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=framemaker+change+bar+color=isch
> ource=hp=X=2ahUKEwiHsJ3Y6arkAhUJF6wKHcjOBdAQ7Al6BAgFECQ
> .
>
> -Monique
>
> On 8/30/19 7:34 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> I find it very irritating that the change bar color defaults to Black, 
> when I want Red. Is there a command I can add to maker.ini or one of 
> the .cfg files that will make it default to red.
>
> Petty, I know, but it scratches at me.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

[Lin Sims]

I must not have been clear.

I know you can reset the color using Change Bar Properties. The annoyance
is you can only do it on a file-by-file or a book-by-book basis.

I don't want to have to go into Change Bar Properties to do this. I want it
to be part of the default preferences I can set for FrameMaker, so that
when I turn the automatic change bar property on, I don't also have to set
the color and position, it is already set the way I want. In other words, I
want to be able to go into something like the Preferences screen and say,
make my change bars red anytime I have them on.

As I said, kinda petty, but I figure if they can automatically set it to
default to Black, there's no reason the default color can't be set to some
other color, right?

Oddly, I appear to have given the same response Monique gave back in
February to someone in the Adobe Forums who wanted to do something similar.
:D Funny how things come around, innit?

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM Monique Semp 
wrote:

> Yes, one can change it, in the "Change Bar Properties". I'm betting the
> "how" differs based on FrameMaker version, so perhaps check out the image
> results for a google search:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=framemaker+change+bar+color=isch=hp=X=2ahUKEwiHsJ3Y6arkAhUJF6wKHcjOBdAQ7Al6BAgFECQ
> .
>
> -Monique
>
> On 8/30/19 7:34 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
>
> I find it very irritating that the change bar color defaults to Black, when
> I want Red. Is there a command I can add to maker.ini or one of the .cfg
> files that will make it default to red.
>
> Petty, I know, but it scratches at me.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

[Monique Semp]

   Yes, one can change it, in the "Change Bar Properties". I'm betting the
   "how" differs based on FrameMaker version, so perhaps check out the
   image results for a google search:
   [1]https://www.google.com/search?q=framemaker+change+bar+color=isch
   =hp=X=2ahUKEwiHsJ3Y6arkAhUJF6wKHcjOBdAQ7Al6BAgFECQ .
   -Monique

   On 8/30/19 7:34 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

I find it very irritating that the change bar color defaults to Black, when
I want Red. Is there a command I can add to maker.ini or one of the .cfg
files that will make it default to red.

Petty, I know, but it scratches at me.

References

   1. 
https://www.google.com/search?q=framemaker+change+bar+color=isch=hp=X=2ahUKEwiHsJ3Y6arkAhUJF6wKHcjOBdAQ7Al6BAgFECQ
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[Framers] Auto-assign color to change bars

[Lin Sims]

I find it very irritating that the change bar color defaults to Black, when
I want Red. Is there a command I can add to maker.ini or one of the .cfg
files that will make it default to red.

Petty, I know, but it scratches at me.

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Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2 lines

[Simon BUCH]

Greetings from a chilly Scotland,

I have a strange behaviour with change bars which is quite undesirable, 
where change bars become excessively long.  I found this with a 
structured XML document, but the same occurs with unstructured 
documents, and the behaviour occurs in FM 10, 11 and 12.


The scenario is a simple unstructured document containing the following:
x a 1
y b 2
z c 3
and a table is added to the end of each of the lines.  Select the letter 
a, and then select menu item: Format  Style  Change Bar.  The line is 
correctly marked with the change bar.  But when same action is performed 
for the letter b, the change bar is extended between the 'x a 1' line 
including the table.  Repeat the same for the letter c, and now the 
whole document has a change bar!


This is NOT useful, as the table content hasn't been changed - it's just 
the lines where the table anchor are located that have changed.
I would have expected just the line to be marked with the change bar - 
as the MIF of the document clearly has the table anchor outwith the 
'change bar' tagged text.


I can add a line-feed character, or add an extra paragraph before the 
table anchor to circumvent the long change bar effect, but my client 
does not like this.


Could this be considered a bug?




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Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2 lines

[Art Campbell]

Many people create a para tag called Anchor to solve this (and a host of
other less than desirable behaviours) that you may want to try

It's an almost invisible tag that I use only to anchor tables and graphic
frames. I set the para font to 2 points, which is usually the minimum, and
adjust space above to match other body type paragraphs. I color it red for
on screen visibility.

Never put any text in the tag -- just use it as an anchor point.

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On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Simon BUCH simon.b...@m-ais.com wrote:

  Greetings from a chilly Scotland,

 I have a strange behaviour with change bars which is quite undesirable,
 where change bars become excessively long.  I found this with a structured
 XML document, but the same occurs with unstructured documents, and the
 behaviour occurs in FM 10, 11 and 12.

 The scenario is a simple unstructured document containing the following:
 x a 1
 y b 2
 z c 3
 and a table is added to the end of each of the lines.  Select the letter
 a, and then select menu item: Format  Style  Change Bar.  The line is
 correctly marked with the change bar.  But when same action is performed
 for the letter b, the change bar is extended between the 'x a 1' line
 including the table.  Repeat the same for the letter c, and now the whole
 document has a change bar!

 This is NOT useful, as the table content hasn't been changed - it's just
 the lines where the table anchor are located that have changed.
 I would have expected just the line to be marked with the change bar - as
 the MIF of the document clearly has the table anchor outwith the 'change
 bar' tagged text.

 I can add a line-feed character, or add an extra paragraph before the
 table anchor to circumvent the long change bar effect, but my client does
 not like this.

 Could this be considered a bug?





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Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2

[De Rosier, Edward]

Hi Simon,

You could also use the Character Designer to apply change bars so that the 
table marker will not be included.

You can use a mouse in the Character Designer dialog box, or use the keyboard.
The key sequence for those change bars is Format  Style  Change Bar, which 
can by keyed on a Windows PC by:

[Alt][o] [y] [c]

This does not mean the behavior was not a bug, but it is a relatively easy 
workaround.

As an aside, I sometimes want to have a change bar that includes an 
intermediate table.  FM 9 does not do this the way your version behaves.  If I 
highlight a long sequence of paragraphs, and use the Paragraph Designer to 
apply a change bar, the tables are skipped.  If I use the Character Designer to 
apply the change bar, then the tables are included.

Best Wishes,

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Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Ed, 

I checked with FM 8 and FM 12: 

If the character format is applied only to a single character in each
paragraph, the change bars combine to a long line, including also the
tables. 

I do not see any kind of workaround in your suggestion, the bug here is
exactly what Simon was telling us. 

I haven't got FM 9 here right now, so I cannot say if the behaviour is
different. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

De Rosier, Edward: 

 Hi Simon, 
 
 You could also use the Character Designer to apply change bars so that the 
 table marker will not be included. 
 
 You can use a mouse in the Character Designer dialog box, or use the 
 keyboard. 
 
 The key sequence for those change bars is Format  Style  Change Bar, which 
 can by keyed on a Windows PC by: 
 
 [Alt][o] [y] [c] 
 
 This does not mean the behavior was not a bug, but it is a relatively easy 
 workaround. 
 
 As an aside, I sometimes want to have a change bar that includes an 
 intermediate table. FM 9 does not do this the way your version behaves. If I 
 highlight a long sequence of paragraphs, and use the Paragraph Designer to 
 apply a change bar, the tables are skipped. If I use the Character Designer 
 to apply the change bar, then the tables are included. 
 
 Best Wishes, 
 
 Ed DeRosier 
 
 Technical Writer 
 
 Anritsu Company 
 
 Morgan Hill, California
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Re: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

This cell padding idea worked ok to accomplish what I need. But I had to
set top at 3pt and bottom at 2pt, anything less caused the bars to rejoin
as one. I tried to compensate for the added vertical growth by adjusting
line spacing and font size, but couldn't exactly match the rows per page
that I had before.

BTW, for the other replies to this issue: I'm in unstructured frame, and my
initial workaround was to draw individual lines beside the rows. It was
tedious but worked ok for that delivery. Glad to figure out an easier
solution for the next go around.

Chris


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Mark the paragraph inside a cell in the row rather than the row itself and
 the change bars should remain separate. Or at least that's how my copy of
 FM9 behaves. For my purposes, I actually would prefer that it *didn't* work
 this way.

 Although now that I think about it, it may depend on how the table format
 is set up as far as cell padding is concerned. If all the vertical space
 around cell contents is provided by the paragraph's space before and space
 after rather than cell padding, FrameMaker may treat consecutive rows as a
 continuous block of paragraphs. My tables all use cell padding, and the
 change bars are only as tall as the paragraph(s) that are marked inside the
 changed cells.

 -Fred

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 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:45:33 -0500
 Subject: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars
 From: cacogg...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
 only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
 change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
 consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
 anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
 this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
 current table's change bars behave similarly.

 I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
 changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
 selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
 doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
 join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
 paragraph return.

 Chris

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Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Fwd: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Reappearing Change Bars

[rebecca officer]

Do any of the character or paragraph styles have change bars set?

Very strange if they're in the PDF but not in the Frame file! Have you tried 
Ctrl-L on the Frame file to see if that refreshes the display and makes them 
visible?

Good luck
Rebecca

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Reappearing Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.

In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that 
have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent 
revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross 
references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process 
because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from 
the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always 
appear in the FrameMaker file.
I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts?

The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point 
(although I don't see how that would affect this).

Thanks!
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RE: Reappearing Change Bars

[Peter Hirons]

Kristy,

 

Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change
bars )

 

FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that
could trigger a new changebar.

 

Peter

 

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Subject: Reappearing Change Bars

 

Hi, all!

 

I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start
either.

 

In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross
references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for
a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars
reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate
to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the
errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears
in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. 

I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? 

 

The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this
point (although I don't see how that would affect this).

 

Thanks!

Kristy

 

 

Kristy Nolan

Manager, Flight Operations

Central Publications HDQ-1CP

Southwest Airlines

2702 Love Field Dr.

Dallas, TX 75235

214-792-6142

 

 

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Re: Reappearing Change Bars

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No, we don't have change bars on automatic.KristyKristy NolanCentral Pubs - Flight OpsOn Mar 1, 2013, at 8:21 AM, "Peter Hirons" pe...@galley.ie wrote:
image002.jpgKristy,Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change bars )FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that could trigger a new changebar.PeterFrom: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy NolanSent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:01 PMTo: FrameUsers ListSubject: Reappearing Change BarsHi, all!I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn’t always appear in the FrameMaker file. I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point (although I don’t see how that would affect this).Thanks!KristyKristy NolanManager, Flight OperationsCentral Publications HDQ-1CPSouthwest Airlines2702 Love Field Dr.Dallas, TX 75235214-792-6142*** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE ***This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___


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Reappearing Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, all!

I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.

In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references that 
have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent 
revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross 
references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process 
because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from 
the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn't always 
appear in the FrameMaker file.
I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts?

The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point 
(although I don't see how that would affect this).

Thanks!
Kristy


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Reappearing Change Bars

[Peter Hirons]

Kristy,



Do you have Automatic Change Bars turned on? (Format | Document | Change
bars )



FM re-creates X-refs every time it prints (or creates a PDF) and that
could trigger a new changebar.



Peter



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Hi, all!



I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start
either.



In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross
references that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for
a subsequent revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars
reappear on cross references at random. The reappearance seems to relate
to the PDF process because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the
errant change bar from the cross reference, the change bar that appears
in the PDF doesn't always appear in the FrameMaker file. 

I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts? 



The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this
point (although I don't see how that would affect this).



Thanks!

Kristy





Kristy Nolan

Manager, Flight Operations

Central Publications HDQ-1CP

Southwest Airlines

2702 Love Field Dr.

Dallas, TX 75235

214-792-6142





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[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

One thought is that the change bars option might be on for a character tag, and
then that tag is used as part of some of your xrefs.
Grant

> On March 1, 2013 at 7:00 AM Kristy Nolan  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Hi, all!
> 
> 
> 
>  I am posting for a coworker, but I have no answers or where to start either.
> 
> 
> 
>  In our FrameMaker 10 book, we add the change bar style to cross references
> that have changed for a revision. When we modify that page for a subsequent
> revision, we remove the change bar style. These change bars reappear on cross
> references at random. The reappearance seems to relate to the PDF process
> because when I open the FrameMaker file to remove the errant change bar from
> the cross reference, the change bar that appears in the PDF doesn?t always
> appear in the FrameMaker file.
> 
>  I have run into this situation multiple times. Any thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
>  The book is in VERY unstructured Frame, but we cannot fix that at this point
> (although I don?t see how that would affect this).
> 
> 
> 
>  Thanks!
> 
>  Kristy
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Reappearing Change Bars

[Craig Ede]

It is possible that one of your users has added changebars manually (as an 
override). In that case you will have to remove them by applying the default 
font for the paragraph to the text in question.

BTW: I have seen this happen when users are not aware of the automatic nature 
of change bars and they want to make sure it happens.

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global search / clear for change bars?

[Robert Lauriston]

Is there some way to search a directory tree for .fm files with change
bars, or to clear all change bars from all .fm files in a tree?
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RE: global search / clear for change bars?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Robert, 

You can certainly do this with FrameScript and ExtendScript (for FrameMaker
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Hi Robert, 

You can certainly do this with FrameScript and ExtendScript (for FrameMaker
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[Robert Lauriston]

Is there some way to search a directory tree for .fm files with change
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Change Bars in Tables....nightmare

[Eduardo F . Cidade Sr .]

Gang

Setup:  WXP, SP3
Frame 9:  Unstructured

Problem:  Tables.

Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within a table?

It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.

Any advice is welcomed.

All the best

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RE: Change Bars in Tables....nightmare

[Fred Ridder]

Use Find/Change to search for Character Format and set the formatting dialog to 
all As Is except for Change Bars, which are seleted.  This will find anything 
that is tagged with the change bar format, whether it's content within a table, 
a cell in a table, or a row of a table. Once the tagged content is highlighted 
by the Find, you simply remove that formatting via the Character Designer.  Or 
you could define a no character bar character format that is set to all As Is 
except for Change Bars, which you deselect. 
 
Then there is always the global Clear All Change Bars command (under 
FormatDocumentChange Bars in Frame versions through FM8.0).
 
-Fred Ridder
 

 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:23:35 -0400
 Subject: Change Bars in Tablesnightmare
 From: ecid...@zoominternet.net
 
 Gang
 
 Setup: WXP, SP3
 Frame 9: Unstructured
 
 Problem: Tables.
 
 Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within a 
 table?
 
 It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.
 
 Any advice is welcomed.
 
 All the best
 
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RE: Change Bars in Tables....nightmare

[Combs, Richard]

Eduardo F.Cidade Sr. wrote:
 
 Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within
 a table?
 
 It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.
 
 Any advice is welcomed.

Well, you can remove all change bars in the document easily enough. Go to 
Format  Document  Properties. In the dialog, select Clear All Change Bars and 
click Set. 


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[Eduardo F. Cidade Sr.]

Gang

Setup:  WXP, SP3
Frame 9:  Unstructured

Problem:  Tables.

Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within a table?

It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.

Any advice is welcomed.

All the best

Eduardo

Change Bars in Tables....nightmare

[Fred Ridder]

Use Find/Change to search for Character Format and set the formatting dialog to 
all As Is except for Change Bars, which are seleted.  This will find anything 
that is tagged with the change bar format, whether it's content within a table, 
a cell in a table, or a row of a table. Once the tagged content is highlighted 
by the Find, you simply remove that formatting via the Character Designer.  Or 
you could define a "no character bar" character format that is set to all As Is 
except for Change Bars, which you deselect. 

Then there is always the global "Clear All Change Bars" command (under 
Format>Document>Change Bars in Frame versions through FM8.0).

-Fred Ridder


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> Gang
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> Setup: WXP, SP3
> Frame 9: Unstructured
> 
> Problem: Tables.
> 
> Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within a 
> table?
> 
> It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.
> 
> Any advice is welcomed.
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Eduardo F.Cidade Sr. wrote:

> Has anyone ever figured an easier way to remove change bars from within
> a table?
> 
> It's a time-consuming nightmare to remove them.
> 
> Any advice is welcomed.

Well, you can remove all change bars in the document easily enough. Go to 
Format > Document > Properties. In the dialog, select Clear All Change Bars and 
click Set. 


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Persistent change bars

[Art Campbell]

Try saving the files out as MIF, opening the MIF versions, and then
saving those as .FM.


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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Kristy Nolan kristy.no...@wnco.com wrote:
 Hi, guys!

 I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
 document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
 combination of Frame 7 and 8, depending on the machine.

 In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't 
 be there. I have checked the paragraph designer, the character designer, and 
 FormatStyleChange Bar. I have tried selecting all of the surrounding text, 
 applying a change bar, and then removing - only to still have my phantom one 
 remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
 hidden being the culprit.

 Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?

 Thanks!
 Kristy


 Kristy Nolan
 Manager, Flight Operations
 Central Publications HDQ-1CP
 Southwest Airlines
 2702 Love Field Dr.
 Dallas, TX 75235
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Try saving the files out as MIF, opening the MIF versions, and then
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Kristy Nolan  wrote:
> Hi, guys!
>
> I am befuddled by the inability to get rid of some old change bars in a 
> document. It was created before our current authors. We now work in a 
> combination of Frame 7 and 8, depending on the machine.
>
> In three places there are change bars appearing in the margin that shouldn't 
> be there. I have checked the paragraph designer, the character designer, and 
> Format>Style>Change Bar. I have tried selecting all of the surrounding text, 
> applying a change bar, and then removing - only to still have my phantom one 
> remain. I have verified that it is not a piece of conditional text that is 
> hidden being the "culprit."
>
> Any ideas on how to find and get rid of whatever is holding them?
>
> Thanks!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Flight Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
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RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

[Jeff Coatsworth]

You just have to kill off the original sender's e-mail  slap on the 
framers@lists.frameusers.com address (at least that's whet I do) 

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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Subject: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions


Thanks, this gives my brain some directions to think in.

And yes, I fully agree on the message headers!  I always wind up accidentally 
replying only to the sender.

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To: Seonaid Welch
Cc: fram...@omsys.com
Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

I wrote:  
 
 But you can find by character format -- specifying Change Bar in the 
 Find Character Format dialog (everything else set to As Is) -- and 
 change to a different character format (such as Change Bar plus 
 Underline, or Blue, or ...), or change by pasting to a named character 
 tag (say, Rev. A) copied to the clipboard.
snip 

Finding by character format led my brain down the character format/tag path for 
the change, but you could use the same basic process (change by
pasting) to apply a condition to the Rev. A revisions. In fact, that might be 
preferable if you need to track multiple rounds of revisions.
You can define and apply multiple conditions, overlap them, and they're all 
still there. Can't do that with character tags, and the number of format 
changes available is pretty limited. 

BTW, does anyone else find this list's message addressing annoying? I'm 
responding to my own message, which, according to TO and FROM headers was sent 
by me to me. Thus Reply All addresses my response to me, and neither Seonaid 
nor the list is an addressee -- both have to be added manually. 

Annoying, I tell you, annoying. 

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RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

[Combs, Richard]

But the thread was on the Free Framers list (fram...@omsys.com), not
FrameUsers (framers@lists.frameusers.com) -- as is the addressing
annoyance. 

On FrameUsers, Reply All addresses both the sender to whom you're
replying and the list, while Reply addresses only the former. On Free
Framers, Reply and Reply All do exactly the same thing, which strikes me
as counter-intuitive and unhelpful. Like Seonaid, I've more than once
replied just to the sender by accident. This makes the list archives
less useful because many of the questions to the list aren't answered on
the list. 

Richard 

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:55 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
 
 You just have to kill off the original sender's e-mail  slap on the
 framers@lists.frameusers.com address (at least that's whet I do)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Seonaid Welch [mailto:seonaid.we...@aecinc.com]
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:47 PM
 To: Jeff Coatsworth
 Subject: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
 
 
 Thanks, this gives my brain some directions to think in.
 
 And yes, I fully agree on the message headers!  I always wind up
 accidentally replying only to the sender.
 
 Seonaid
 
 Seonaid Welch | Narrative Writer
 seonaid.we...@aecinc.com
 AEC | When Excellence is Essential
 P: 503.668.0656 x225
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:26 PM
 To: Seonaid Welch
 Cc: fram...@omsys.com
 Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
 
 I wrote:
 
  But you can find by character format -- specifying Change Bar in the
  Find Character Format dialog (everything else set to As Is) -- and
  change to a different character format (such as Change Bar plus
  Underline, or Blue, or ...), or change by pasting to a named
character
  tag (say, Rev. A) copied to the clipboard.
 snip
 
 Finding by character format led my brain down the character format/tag
path
 for the change, but you could use the same basic process (change by
 pasting) to apply a condition to the Rev. A revisions. In fact, that
might
 be preferable if you need to track multiple rounds of revisions.
 You can define and apply multiple conditions, overlap them, and
they're all
 still there. Can't do that with character tags, and the number of
format
 changes available is pretty limited.
 
 BTW, does anyone else find this list's message addressing annoying?
I'm
 responding to my own message, which, according to TO and FROM headers
was
 sent by me to me. Thus Reply All addresses my response to me, and
neither
 Seonaid nor the list is an addressee -- both have to be added
manually.
 
 Annoying, I tell you, annoying.
 
 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
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[Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

[Jeff Coatsworth]

You just have to kill off the original sender's e-mail & slap on the framers at 
lists.frameusers.com address (at least that's whet I do) 

-Original Message-
From: Seonaid Welch [mailto:seonaid.we...@aecinc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:47 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Subject: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions


Thanks, this gives my brain some directions to think in.

And yes, I fully agree on the message headers!  I always wind up accidentally 
replying only to the sender.

Seonaid

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seonaid.welch at aecinc.com
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P: 503.668.0656 x225




-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:26 PM
To: Seonaid Welch
Cc: framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

I wrote:  

> But you can find by character format -- specifying Change Bar in the 
> Find Character Format dialog (everything else set to As Is) -- and 
> change to a different character format (such as Change Bar plus 
> Underline, or Blue, or ...), or change by pasting to a named character 
> tag (say, Rev. A) copied to the clipboard.
 

Finding by character format led my brain down the character format/tag path for 
the change, but you could use the same basic process (change by
pasting) to apply a condition to the Rev. A revisions. In fact, that might be 
preferable if you need to track multiple rounds of revisions.
You can define and apply multiple conditions, overlap them, and they're all 
still there. Can't do that with character tags, and the number of format 
changes available is pretty limited. 

BTW, does anyone else find this list's message addressing annoying? I'm 
responding to my own message, which, according to TO and FROM headers was sent 
by me to me. Thus Reply All addresses my response to me, and neither Seonaid 
nor the list is an addressee -- both have to be added manually. 

Annoying, I tell you, annoying. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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[Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions

[Combs, Richard]

But the thread was on the Free Framers list (framers at omsys.com), not
FrameUsers (framers at lists.frameusers.com) -- as is the addressing
annoyance. 

On FrameUsers, Reply All addresses both the sender to whom you're
replying and the list, while Reply addresses only the former. On Free
Framers, Reply and Reply All do exactly the same thing, which strikes me
as counter-intuitive and unhelpful. Like Seonaid, I've more than once
replied just to the sender by accident. This makes the list archives
less useful because many of the questions to the list aren't answered on
the list. 

Richard 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:55 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
> 
> You just have to kill off the original sender's e-mail & slap on the
> framers at lists.frameusers.com address (at least that's whet I do)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Seonaid Welch [mailto:seonaid.welch at aecinc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:47 PM
> To: Jeff Coatsworth
> Subject: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
> 
> 
> Thanks, this gives my brain some directions to think in.
> 
> And yes, I fully agree on the message headers!  I always wind up
> accidentally replying only to the sender.
> 
> Seonaid
> 
> Seonaid Welch | Narrative Writer
> seonaid.welch at aecinc.com
> AEC | When Excellence is Essential
> P: 503.668.0656 x225
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:26 PM
> To: Seonaid Welch
> Cc: framers at omsys.com
> Subject: RE: [Free Framers] RE: Change bars for multiple revisions
> 
> I wrote:
> 
> > But you can find by character format -- specifying Change Bar in the
> > Find Character Format dialog (everything else set to As Is) -- and
> > change to a different character format (such as Change Bar plus
> > Underline, or Blue, or ...), or change by pasting to a named
character
> > tag (say, Rev. A) copied to the clipboard.
> 
> 
> Finding by character format led my brain down the character format/tag
path
> for the change, but you could use the same basic process (change by
> pasting) to apply a condition to the Rev. A revisions. In fact, that
might
> be preferable if you need to track multiple rounds of revisions.
> You can define and apply multiple conditions, overlap them, and
they're all
> still there. Can't do that with character tags, and the number of
format
> changes available is pretty limited.
> 
> BTW, does anyone else find this list's message addressing annoying?
I'm
> responding to my own message, which, according to TO and FROM headers
was
> sent by me to me. Thus Reply All addresses my response to me, and
neither
> Seonaid nor the list is an addressee -- both have to be added
manually.
> 
> Annoying, I tell you, annoying.
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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RE: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

I've managed to do this a little differently than the others have
mentioned. We start the content that needs the change bar prior to the
graphic, include the graphic, and then at least the first character of
the para immediately follows. Yes, it then looks like there is a change
in the first line of the next para, but seems to work well enough for
our people. Not necessarily the best way, but it works.

Kristy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi all,

This request has come in from a client:
How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored frames?
The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when
set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
All my graphics are in anchored frames.

Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might
resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a more
definitive answer or solution.

Thanks
Alan

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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi all,

This request has come in from a client:
"How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored  
frames? The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when  
set) against non-referenced graphics but I can?t get this to happen.  
All my graphics are in anchored frames."

Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might  
resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a  
more definitive answer or solution.

Thanks
Alan

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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz

FM 8 - Change Bars

[Dave Reynolds]

I'd be interested to find out about this too.  I've always put change 
bars on graphics manually (a line in an anchored frame).  Does mean I 
have to remember to remove them later, but not too much of a problem.

Alan Litchfield wrote, on 30/04/2009 8:52 a.m.:
> Hi all,
>
> This request has come in from a client:
> "How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored  
> frames? The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when  
> set) against non-referenced graphics but I can?t get this to happen.  
> All my graphics are in anchored frames."
>
> Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might  
> resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a  
> more definitive answer or solution.
>
> Thanks
> Alan
>
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> AlphaByte
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> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi Linda,

That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the  
full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.

This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem  
unless something better emerges:
> In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
> putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
> outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
> then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
> anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
> it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
> anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.

I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).

It is not the best but does the job.

Cheers
Alan

On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> I believe that I've "faked it out" by enter a space in my anchor tag  
> for the
> anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
> change bar along the entire anchored frame.
>
>

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AlphaByte
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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Dave Reynolds]

What I've done is set up the anchored frame in AutoText.  Set to Outside 
Text Frame and Side farther from binding.  In the frame I've put a line 
that is the same colour and width as Frame's change bars, and the same 
distance from the text.  The Aframe is only about 1cm square, but the 
line extends the height of the page, but of course is only visible 
within the frame.  That way I can insert the frame quickly using 
AutoText, and resize the Aframe to make the line visible exactly where I 
want it.

Alan Litchfield wrote, on 30/04/2009 10:24 a.m.:
> Hi Linda,
>
> That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the 
> full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.
>
> This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem 
> unless something better emerges:
>> In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
>> putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
>> outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
>> then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
>> anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
>> it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
>> anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.
>
> I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).
>
> It is not the best but does the job.
>
> Cheers
> Alan
>
> On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:
>
>> I believe that I've "faked it out" by enter a space in my anchor tag 
>> for the
>> anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
>> change bar along the entire anchored frame.
>>
>>
>
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> Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
>
>
>
>

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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Alan Litchfield]

OK. That seems to offer the best solution. Thanks Linda.

On 30/04/2009, at 10:46 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> Ah, it does work if the anchored frame is set to At Insertion Point,  
> but it
> does just the short line if you have it set to Below Current Line. I  
> think
> that's what I was thinking about. I frequently shrink wrap graphics,  
> so they
> end up set to At Insertion Point.
>

Regards
Alan


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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Kristy Nolan]

I've "managed" to do this a little differently than the others have
mentioned. We start the content that needs the change bar prior to the
graphic, include the graphic, and then at least the first character of
the para immediately follows. Yes, it then looks like there is a change
in the first line of the next para, but seems to work well enough for
our people. Not necessarily the best way, but it works.

Kristy

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Litchfield
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi all,

This request has come in from a client:
"How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored frames?
The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when
set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
All my graphics are in anchored frames."

Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might
resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a more
definitive answer or solution.

Thanks
Alan

--
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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
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RE: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Linda G. Gallagher]

I believe that I've faked it out by enter a space in my anchor tag for the
anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
change bar along the entire anchored frame. 


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Alan Litchfield
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

I'd be interested to find out about this too.  I've always put change 
bars on graphics manually (a line in an anchored frame).  Does mean I 
have to remember to remove them later, but not too much of a problem.

Alan Litchfield wrote, on 30/04/2009 8:52 a.m.:
 Hi all,

 This request has come in from a client:
 How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored  
 frames? The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when  
 set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
 All my graphics are in anchored frames.

 Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might  
 resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a  
 more definitive answer or solution.

 Thanks
 Alan

 --
 Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS
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Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi Linda,

That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the  
full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.

This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem  
unless something better emerges:
 In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
 putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
 outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
 then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
 anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
 it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
 anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.

I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).

It is not the best but does the job.

Cheers
Alan

On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 I believe that I've faked it out by enter a space in my anchor tag  
 for the
 anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
 change bar along the entire anchored frame.



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RE: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Ah, it does work if the anchored frame is set to At Insertion Point, but it
does just the short line if you have it set to Below Current Line. I think
that's what I was thinking about. I frequently shrink wrap graphics, so they
end up set to At Insertion Point.

Another way that I sort of works, but is still a bit of a kludge (but not
something you have to remember to after) is this:

1. Enter a space in the anchor tag.

2. Go the paragraph below the anchored frame, and enter a space there
somewhere.

3. Delete that extra space.

It will be a bit ambiguous about that next paragraph, so it's certainly
imperfect. 

I found that I do like the track edits feature in FM, which shows the actual
text edits (but I don't think it helps if you just replace the graphic
that's in an anchored frame).


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-Original Message-
From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:24 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: 'Dave Reynolds'; 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi Linda,

That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the  
full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.

This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem  
unless something better emerges:
 In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
 putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
 outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
 then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
 anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
 it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
 anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.

I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).

It is not the best but does the job.

Cheers
Alan

On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 I believe that I've faked it out by enter a space in my anchor tag  
 for the
 anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
 change bar along the entire anchored frame.



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Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Dave Reynolds]

What I've done is set up the anchored frame in AutoText.  Set to Outside 
Text Frame and Side farther from binding.  In the frame I've put a line 
that is the same colour and width as Frame's change bars, and the same 
distance from the text.  The Aframe is only about 1cm square, but the 
line extends the height of the page, but of course is only visible 
within the frame.  That way I can insert the frame quickly using 
AutoText, and resize the Aframe to make the line visible exactly where I 
want it.

Alan Litchfield wrote, on 30/04/2009 10:24 a.m.:
 Hi Linda,

 That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the 
 full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.

 This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem 
 unless something better emerges:
 In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
 putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
 outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
 then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
 anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
 it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
 anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.

 I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).

 It is not the best but does the job.

 Cheers
 Alan

 On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 I believe that I've faked it out by enter a space in my anchor tag 
 for the
 anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
 change bar along the entire anchored frame.



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 Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS
 AlphaByte
 PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz





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Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

[Alan Litchfield]

OK. That seems to offer the best solution. Thanks Linda.

On 30/04/2009, at 10:46 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

 Ah, it does work if the anchored frame is set to At Insertion Point,  
 but it
 does just the short line if you have it set to Below Current Line. I  
 think
 that's what I was thinking about. I frequently shrink wrap graphics,  
 so they
 end up set to At Insertion Point.


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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Linda G. Gallagher]

I believe that I've "faked it out" by enter a space in my anchor tag for the
anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
change bar along the entire anchored frame. 


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:40 PM
To: Alan Litchfield
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

I'd be interested to find out about this too.  I've always put change 
bars on graphics manually (a line in an anchored frame).  Does mean I 
have to remember to remove them later, but not too much of a problem.

Alan Litchfield wrote, on 30/04/2009 8:52 a.m.:
> Hi all,
>
> This request has come in from a client:
> "How do I get change bars to appear alongside graphics/anchored  
> frames? The help file indicates they should appear automatically (when  
> set) against non-referenced graphics but I can't get this to happen.  
> All my graphics are in anchored frames."
>
> Any suggestions as to what is going on for them, and how they might  
> resolve this? I have offered a work around but there is probably a  
> more definitive answer or solution.
>
> Thanks
> Alan
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FM 8 - Change Bars

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Ah, it does work if the anchored frame is set to At Insertion Point, but it
does just the short line if you have it set to Below Current Line. I think
that's what I was thinking about. I frequently shrink wrap graphics, so they
end up set to At Insertion Point.

Another way that I sort of works, but is still a bit of a kludge (but not
something you have to remember to after) is this:

1. Enter a space in the anchor tag.

2. Go the paragraph below the anchored frame, and enter a space there
somewhere.

3. Delete that extra space.

It will be a bit ambiguous about that next paragraph, so it's certainly
imperfect. 

I found that I do like the track edits feature in FM, which shows the actual
text edits (but I don't think it helps if you just replace the graphic
that's in an anchored frame).


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-Original Message-
From: Alan Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:24 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher
Cc: 'Dave Reynolds'; 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FM 8 - Change Bars

Hi Linda,

That only puts a short bar with the paragraph and does not extend the  
full length of the anchored frame. Which is the really annoying thing.

This is what I have suggested and seems to have got around the problem  
unless something better emerges:
> In the past (in flight manuals, for example) we have resorted to
> putting an anchored frame that is the same height as the image's frame
> outside the column (on the same side as the change bars of course) and
> then using the line drawing tool to draw a vertical line in the
> anchored frame. This allows you to have the line follow the image if
> it reflows and can be easily deleted when required by deleting the
> anchored frame - you just have to remember to do that manually.

I was reminded of that approach by Dave (thanks).

It is not the best but does the job.

Cheers
Alan

On 30/04/2009, at 10:18 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote:

> I believe that I've "faked it out" by enter a space in my anchor tag  
> for the
> anchored frame. I'm not in FM right now, but I think that will put the
> change bar along the entire anchored frame.
>
>

--
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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz

Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

Using FM 8 (latest version) on a Windows XP SP3 system.

Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
this)?

Reasons and comments:

1. In some of my specification documents, I explicit note that some text
changes, without content or meaning differences, do not get Change Bars
(to avoid too many situations where people go looking at Change Bars for
content change and see no real change!). As an aside, it is good that
format changes do not trigger Change Bars - whew!

2. Occasionally (often enough to be a pain), I find that changing the
text INSIDE a table, and then undoing it, doesn't remove the Change
Bars!

3. I also noted that sometimes, doing an Update References SOMETIMES
causes references to tables - not all of them either (wish it was
consistent!) - to get flagged with Change Bars, even though they did not
change at all (either number or page or figure name etc.). These, at
least, I can usually fix manually (sigh) with a Set Default Font ...
but I do have to go looking for them - which is a pain!

Anywa, for tables, I have tried using the Use Default Font method and
that does not ALWAYS work. I have also noted, that till the file gets
saved, sometimes the Change Bars do not update!

However, SOMETIMES, none of the above methods work for text inside the
table! Then, I get stuck with the Change Bar in places where I cannot
remove them.

Hence my question ...

Z
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Re: Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?

[Shlomo Perets]

Syed,

You wrote:

Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
this)? ...

Select the area that has change bars; open the Character Designer, and from 
the Commands drop-down menu choose Set Window to As Is (or use Shift-F8). 
Turn off the Change Bar property and click Apply.


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Re: Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?

[William Abernathy]

Select the text you want to (de-)change-bar, then hit ESC, c, and h (in 
sequence, none at the same time). This toggles the change bar on and off.

--William

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, all.
 
 Using FM 8 (latest version) on a Windows XP SP3 system.
 
 Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
 removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
 this)?
 
 Reasons and comments:
 
 1. In some of my specification documents, I explicit note that some text
 changes, without content or meaning differences, do not get Change Bars
 (to avoid too many situations where people go looking at Change Bars for
 content change and see no real change!). As an aside, it is good that
 format changes do not trigger Change Bars - whew!
 
 2. Occasionally (often enough to be a pain), I find that changing the
 text INSIDE a table, and then undoing it, doesn't remove the Change
 Bars!
 
 3. I also noted that sometimes, doing an Update References SOMETIMES
 causes references to tables - not all of them either (wish it was
 consistent!) - to get flagged with Change Bars, even though they did not
 change at all (either number or page or figure name etc.). These, at
 least, I can usually fix manually (sigh) with a Set Default Font ...
 but I do have to go looking for them - which is a pain!
 
 Anywa, for tables, I have tried using the Use Default Font method and
 that does not ALWAYS work. I have also noted, that till the file gets
 saved, sometimes the Change Bars do not update!
 
 However, SOMETIMES, none of the above methods work for text inside the
 table! Then, I get stuck with the Change Bar in places where I cannot
 remove them.
 
 Hence my question ...
 
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RE: Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?

[Syed.Hosain]

Perfect! That worked like a charm.

Thanks much!

Z

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 To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?
 
 Syed,
 
 You wrote:
 
 Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e.,
without
 removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
 this)? ...
 
 Select the area that has change bars; open the Character Designer, and
from
 the Commands drop-down menu choose Set Window to As Is (or use
Shift-F8).
 Turn off the Change Bar property and click Apply.
 
 
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RE: Can one selectively remove Change Bars in a Document?

[Syed.Hosain]

 Select the text you want to (de-)change-bar, then hit ESC, c, and h
(in
 sequence, none at the same time). This toggles the change bar on and
off.

Thanks! This seems to work in body in normal text paragraphs well, but
has a bit of difficulty with text inside paragraphs ... I may need to do
more experimentation.

Thanks again.

Z

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Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Hi, all.

Using FM 8 (latest version) on a Windows XP SP3 system.

Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
this)?

Reasons and comments:

1. In some of my specification documents, I explicit note that some text
changes, without content or meaning differences, do not get Change Bars
(to avoid too many situations where people go looking at Change Bars for
content change and see no real change!). As an aside, it is good that
format changes do not trigger Change Bars - whew!

2. Occasionally (often enough to be a pain), I find that changing the
text INSIDE a table, and then undoing it, doesn't remove the Change
Bars!

3. I also noted that sometimes, doing an "Update References" SOMETIMES
causes references to tables - not all of them either (wish it was
consistent!) - to get flagged with Change Bars, even though they did not
change at all (either number or page or figure name etc.). These, at
least, I can usually fix manually (sigh) with a "Set Default Font" ...
but I do have to go looking for them - which is a pain!

Anywa, for tables, I have tried using the "Use Default Font" method and
that does not ALWAYS work. I have also noted, that till the file gets
saved, sometimes the Change Bars do not update!

However, SOMETIMES, none of the above methods work for text inside the
table! Then, I get stuck with the Change Bar in places where I cannot
remove them.

Hence my question ...

Z

Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?

[Shlomo Perets]

Syed,

You wrote:

>Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
>removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
>this)? ...

Select the area that has change bars; open the Character Designer, and from 
the Commands drop-down menu choose Set Window to As Is (or use Shift-F8). 
Turn off the Change Bar property and click Apply.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting
http://www.microtype.com

"Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions, starting 
October 16 

Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?

[William Abernathy]

Select the text you want to (de-)change-bar, then hit ESC, c, and h (in 
sequence, none at the same time). This toggles the change bar on and off.

--William

Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
> Hi, all.
> 
> Using FM 8 (latest version) on a Windows XP SP3 system.
> 
> Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e., without
> removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
> this)?
> 
> Reasons and comments:
> 
> 1. In some of my specification documents, I explicit note that some text
> changes, without content or meaning differences, do not get Change Bars
> (to avoid too many situations where people go looking at Change Bars for
> content change and see no real change!). As an aside, it is good that
> format changes do not trigger Change Bars - whew!
> 
> 2. Occasionally (often enough to be a pain), I find that changing the
> text INSIDE a table, and then undoing it, doesn't remove the Change
> Bars!
> 
> 3. I also noted that sometimes, doing an "Update References" SOMETIMES
> causes references to tables - not all of them either (wish it was
> consistent!) - to get flagged with Change Bars, even though they did not
> change at all (either number or page or figure name etc.). These, at
> least, I can usually fix manually (sigh) with a "Set Default Font" ...
> but I do have to go looking for them - which is a pain!
> 
> Anywa, for tables, I have tried using the "Use Default Font" method and
> that does not ALWAYS work. I have also noted, that till the file gets
> saved, sometimes the Change Bars do not update!
> 
> However, SOMETIMES, none of the above methods work for text inside the
> table! Then, I get stuck with the Change Bar in places where I cannot
> remove them.
> 
> Hence my question ...
> 
> Z

Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Perfect! That worked like a charm.

Thanks much!

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlomo2 at microtype.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:16 PM
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: Re: Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?
> 
> Syed,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >Is there any way to do selective removal of Change Bars? I.e.,
without
> >removing them from the whole document (from the menu item that does
> >this)? ...
> 
> Select the area that has change bars; open the Character Designer, and
from
> the Commands drop-down menu choose Set Window to As Is (or use
Shift-F8).
> Turn off the Change Bar property and click Apply.
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets
> 
> MicroType, FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting
> http://www.microtype.com
> 
> "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions,
starting
> October 16

Can one selectively "remove" Change Bars in a Document?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> Select the text you want to (de-)change-bar, then hit ESC, c, and h
(in
> sequence, none at the same time). This toggles the change bar on and
off.

Thanks! This seems to work in body in normal text paragraphs well, but
has a bit of difficulty with text inside paragraphs ... I may need to do
more experimentation.

Thanks again.

Z

-
 Syed Zaeem HosainSVP, Engineering &
 Chief Technical Officer

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 2680 Zanker Road   f: +1 (408) 557-1925
 San Jose, CA 95134-2100.  Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
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Seeking effective doc compare solution for Vers A. vs. Vers D change bars

[maxwell.hoffmann]

SUMMARY: I am looking for an effective document comparison tool for
FrameMaker that will detect changes between two files, where I will
apply change bars to indicate the changes.

 

I am working with a client who creates a version A and has it translated
into several languages. Then the client internally publishes Version B,
Version C and eventually Version D in English only for internal use.
Each subsequent version has change bars only showing changes from the
previous version. 

 

I need to take the source English Version D and make it show change
bars for *all* differences back to Version A. I have Version A and
Version D for Doc Compare. As most of you know, the Doc Compare
utility in FrameMaker (this is version 6.0) is not very strong in
tables. There is a sort of fuzzy logic where in an entire table will
show that all of its contents have changed if more than 2/3 of the table
cells have changes in them. (I know about the work around to save tables
to paragraphs in individual files and then compare that; am looking for
something less painful

 

Has anyone found an effective tool outside of FrameMaker for comparing
documents and marking all text (including table contents) that has
changed, and thus should be showing change bars.

 

Please cc my name on your response. I have the daily digest option
on the FrameUsers list, and have been unable to get into
www.frameusers.com for the past two weeks as there is a message Site
off-line: FrameUsers.com is cucrently under maintenance. We should be
back online Monday. Thank you for your patience.

 

Maxwell Hoffmann
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Welocalize

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Re: Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You may have to check for conditional text. Revision bars are often
set in some conditions. You may have to change that directly or just
make the offending paragraph (object) unconditional.

Also change bars may be the result of an element set to display the
change bar, so if these documents are structured, you may have to look
into the EDD.

Further, there may be a character format set to use change bars.

Try first to Format  Document  Change Bars  Clear All Change Bars
 If the change bars then show when you open the file (test by
closing and reopening), some of the above may be the offending
factor.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Scalise
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 Esteemed colleagues,



  Two questions, please.



  1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
  that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
  turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
  out on this? I'm defeated.
  2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
  the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
  interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
  file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
  direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
  reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
  gonna happen.



  TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.



  Tom Scalise

  Manager, Information Development

  Cross Match Technologies, Inc

  561-622-5416

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Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[rebecca officer]

Can't help on RoboHelp, but for the change bars, check your paragraph styles 
don't have change bars set. It's on the "Default Font" tab of the paragraph 
designer. And ditto character styles.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Thomas Scalise"  2/02/08 04:03 >>>
Esteemed colleagues,



Two questions, please.



1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
out on this? I'm defeated.
2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
gonna happen.



TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.



Tom Scalise

Manager, Information Development

Cross Match Technologies, Inc

561-622-5416

thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com 



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Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You may have to check for conditional text. Revision bars are often
set in some conditions. You may have to change that directly or just
make the "offending" paragraph (object) unconditional.

Also change bars may be the result of an element set to display the
change bar, so if these documents are structured, you may have to look
into the EDD.

Further, there may be a character format set to use change bars.

Try first to Format > Document > Change Bars > "Clear All Change Bars
...". If the change bars then show when you open the file (test by
closing and reopening), some of the above may be the "offending"
factor.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


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 wrote:
> Esteemed colleagues,
>
>
>
>  Two questions, please.
>
>
>
>  1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
>  that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
>  turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
>  out on this? I'm defeated.
>  2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
>  the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
>  interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
>  file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
>  direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
>  reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
>  gonna happen.
>
>
>
>  TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.
>
>
>
>  Tom Scalise
>
>  Manager, Information Development
>
>  Cross Match Technologies, Inc
>
>  561-622-5416
>
>  thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com
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Re: Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[rebecca officer]

Can't help on RoboHelp, but for the change bars, check your paragraph styles 
don't have change bars set. It's on the Default Font tab of the paragraph 
designer. And ditto character styles.

Cheers, Rebecca


 Thomas Scalise [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/08 04:03 
Esteemed colleagues,

 

Two questions, please.

 

1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
out on this? I'm defeated.
2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
gonna happen.

 

TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.

 

Tom Scalise

Manager, Information Development

Cross Match Technologies, Inc

561-622-5416

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

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Re: Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Jerilynne Knight]

Another thought...is there a character style with an as is setting for the
change bar? I've had some fun recently when I couldn't get things to work
like I thought and that was the problem.

Blessings
Jerilynne

On Feb 3, 2008 3:42 PM, rebecca officer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Can't help on RoboHelp, but for the change bars, check your paragraph
 styles don't have change bars set. It's on the Default Font tab of the
 paragraph designer. And ditto character styles.

 Cheers, Rebecca


  Thomas Scalise [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/02/08 04:03 
 Esteemed colleagues,



 Two questions, please.



 1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
 that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
 turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
 out on this? I'm defeated.
 2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
 the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
 interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
 file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
 direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
 reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
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Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Jerilynne Knight]

Another thought...is there a character style with an "as is" setting for the
change bar? I've had some "fun" recently when I couldn't get things to work
like I thought and that was the problem.

Blessings
Jerilynne

On Feb 3, 2008 3:42 PM, rebecca officer 
wrote:

> Can't help on RoboHelp, but for the change bars, check your paragraph
> styles don't have change bars set. It's on the "Default Font" tab of the
> paragraph designer. And ditto character styles.
>
> Cheers, Rebecca
>
>
> >>> "Thomas Scalise"  2/02/08 04:03 >>>
> Esteemed colleagues,
>
>
>
> Two questions, please.
>
>
>
> 1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
> that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
> turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
> out on this? I'm defeated.
> 2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
> the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
> interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
> file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
> direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
> reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
> gonna happen.
>
>

Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Thomas Scalise]

Esteemed colleagues,

 

Two questions, please.

 

1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
out on this? I'm defeated.
2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
gonna happen.

 

TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.

 

Tom Scalise

Manager, Information Development

Cross Match Technologies, Inc

561-622-5416

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

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Change bars that will not die and making RoboHelp for FrameMaker see

[Thomas Scalise]

Esteemed colleagues,



Two questions, please.



1.  I've got a book that I inherited from a contractor colleague
that exhibits persistent change bars, even though I have repeatedly
turned them off. Edits immediately bring change bars. Can anyone help me
out on this? I'm defeated.
2.  Also, can anyone tell me where RoboHelp for FrameMaker stores
the path to FrameMaker. I recently re-installed RH4FM, after a long
interval, but the program can't find FrameMaker. I can't find an ini
file, or whatever, where I might manually point RH4FM in the right
direction. Adobe help is daunting to access and worthless if you finally
reach it. Forget communication with a real, live human being...ain't
gonna happen.



TIA for whatever advice and assistance you can give me.



Tom Scalise

Manager, Information Development

Cross Match Technologies, Inc

561-622-5416

thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com



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Re: Change bars in Framemaker

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:10 -0400 15/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use
automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt
thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a
file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter
titles.

This is most likely due to FrameMaker updating cross-references when a file is 
opened.

He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having
automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

It depends on what you want to achieve.

Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!

What was the question?

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Change bars in Framemaker

[Rebecca . L . Frasure]

My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use 
automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt 
thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a 
file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter 
titles. He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having 
automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!


Becky Frasure
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Re: Change bars in Framemaker

[David Bills]

Hi Becky,

If you're going to use automatic change bars, it's important to understand 
what is marked as a change when this command is activated. For example, 
updated cross-references are marked as a change; updated graphics that are 
imported by reference are not marked as a change; updated graphics that are 
imported with a different file name are marked as a change; etc.


If you're experiencing undesirable results, mark the changes manually. It 
takes a little longer, but the peace of mind is worth it.


Also, the compare document feature mentioned in a previous e-mail doesn't do 
a good job identifying changes in tables or graphics. It also introduces 
conditional text to the document, which adds a layer of complexity to the 
document. It's a useful tool, but probably not the best solution for your 
situation.


Good luck,

Dave Bills


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My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use
automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt
thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a
file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter
titles. He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having
automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!


Becky Frasure
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RE: Change bars in Framemaker

[Combs, Richard]

David Bills wrote:
 
 Also, the compare document feature mentioned in a previous 
 e-mail doesn't do a good job identifying changes in tables or 
 graphics. It also introduces conditional text to the 
 document, which adds a layer of complexity to the document. 
 It's a useful tool, but probably not the best solution for 
 your situation.

In my limited experience, it marks the whole table if more than a
certain percentage of it changed; how big a deal that is depends on your
docs, I suppose. I don't recall any oddities with graphics, but maybe
they just didn't impact me enough to make an impression. 

The conditional text is entirely optional. To see only change bars: 

1) In the Compare Documents dialog, click Options. 
2) In the Comparison Options dialog, set Mark Insertions With to
Nothing. 
3) Set Mark Deletions With to Replacement Text and make sure the
replacement text box is empty. 

Happy weekend!
Richard


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Change bars in Framemaker

[rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov]

My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use 
automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt 
thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a 
file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter 
titles. He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having 
automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!


Becky Frasure

Change bars in Framemaker

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:10 -0400 15/6/07, Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote:

>My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use
>automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt
>thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a
>file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter
>titles.

This is most likely due to FrameMaker updating cross-references when a file is 
opened.

>He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having
>automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

It depends on what you want to achieve.

>Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!

What was the question?

-- 
Steve

Change bars in Framemaker

[Combs, Richard]

Rebecca.L.Frasure at aphis.usda.gov wrote:

> My framehating coworker requested that I send this question 
> in. We use automatic change bars every time we work on our 
> files. Big ones, 10 pt thickness, on the left side of the 

Why??

> column. When my coworker works on a file, it will add change 
> bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter titles. He 
> gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having 
> automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?

Depends on your goal -- if you want to frustrate Frame-hating
co-workers, it seems to be working. ;-)

In the absence of such a goal, though, I'd say it's a really bad idea. 

I can't imagine working that way. Even if I needed to mark changes as I
worked, I'd do it manually so that only substantive changes get marked,
not automatically updated things like xrefs and trivial edits like
typos. 

A much better way to track changes, IMO, is to use FM's Compare
Documents function (File > Utilities > Compare Documents; check the
manual or help for info about the options available). Run the comparison
after you're finished updating the document, comparing it to the
previous version -- you did save the previous version before starting to
make changes, right? 

> Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!

Likewise!

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Change bars in Framemaker

[David Bills]

Hi Becky,

If you're going to use automatic change bars, it's important to understand 
what is marked as a change when this command is activated. For example, 
updated cross-references are marked as a change; updated graphics that are 
imported by reference are not marked as a change; updated graphics that are 
imported with a different file name are marked as a change; etc.

If you're experiencing undesirable results, mark the changes manually. It 
takes a little longer, but the peace of mind is worth it.

Also, the compare document feature mentioned in a previous e-mail doesn't do 
a good job identifying changes in tables or graphics. It also introduces 
conditional text to the document, which adds a layer of complexity to the 
document. It's a useful tool, but probably not the best solution for your 
situation.

Good luck,

Dave Bills


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Subject: Change bars in Framemaker


> My framehating coworker requested that I send this question in. We use
> automatic change bars every time we work on our files. Big ones, 10 pt
> thickness, on the left side of the column. When my coworker works on a
> file, it will add change bars in areas he hasn't touched, such as chapter
> titles. He gets very frustrated over it. And by the way, is having
> automatic change bars turned on all the time a good idea?
>
> Thanks for any answers, and have a pleasant weekend!
>
>
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Change bars in Framemaker

[Combs, Richard]

David Bills wrote:

> Also, the compare document feature mentioned in a previous 
> e-mail doesn't do a good job identifying changes in tables or 
> graphics. It also introduces conditional text to the 
> document, which adds a layer of complexity to the document. 
> It's a useful tool, but probably not the best solution for 
> your situation.

In my limited experience, it marks the whole table if more than a
certain percentage of it changed; how big a deal that is depends on your
docs, I suppose. I don't recall any oddities with graphics, but maybe
they just didn't impact me enough to make an impression. 

The conditional text is entirely optional. To see only change bars: 

1) In the Compare Documents dialog, click Options. 
2) In the Comparison Options dialog, set Mark Insertions With to
Nothing. 
3) Set Mark Deletions With to Replacement Text and make sure the
replacement text box is empty. 

Happy weekend!
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change bars -- how to turn off

[Alison Carrico]

And make sure that change bars aren't included in any para or char style
sheets.  

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Try the Format/Document/Change Bars dialog & check the Clear All Change
Bars
option...



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Help!  Does anyone know how to turn off change bars?  They are appearing
in
a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change bars
on
this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few months ago
and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at the Format /
Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not checked.  I
also
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effect.

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change bars -- how to turn off

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Help!  Does anyone know how to turn off change bars?  They are appearing in
a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change bars on
this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few months ago
and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at the Format /
Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not checked.  I also
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RE: change bars -- how to turn off

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Try the Format/Document/Change Bars dialog  check the Clear All Change Bars
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a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change bars on
this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few months ago
and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at the Format /
Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not checked.  I also
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RE: change bars -- how to turn off

[Steve Cavanaugh]

I had one like that here a while back.  The previous TW had ignored the
built in change bar capability, and created a special changed
paragraph tag that included a graphic on the reference page for the
change bar.  Took a while to find that one... 


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in a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change
bars on this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few
months ago and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at
the Format / Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not
checked.  I also tried removing the bar using Format / Style / Change
Bars, but it has no effect.

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[nancy carpenter]

Help!  Does anyone know how to turn off change bars?  They are appearing in
a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change bars on
this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few months ago
and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at the Format /
Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not checked.  I also
tried removing the bar using Format / Style / Change Bars, but it has no
effect.

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change bars -- how to turn off

[Matt Sullivan]

Try the Format/Document/Change Bars dialog & check the Clear All Change Bars
option...



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Help!  Does anyone know how to turn off change bars?  They are appearing in
a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change bars on
this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few months ago
and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at the Format /
Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not checked.  I also
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I had one like that here a while back.  The previous TW had ignored the
built in change bar capability, and created a special "changed"
paragraph tag that included a graphic on the reference page for the
change bar.  Took a while to find that one... 


Steve Cavanaugh

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Help!  Does anyone know how to turn off change bars?  They are appearing
in a document that I am editing today.  A few years ago, I used change
bars on this file and removed all the bars.  I edited this file a few
months ago and they did not appear.  Today, they appear.  I looked at
the Format / Change Bars dialog box, and Automatic Change Bars is not
checked.  I also tried removing the bar using Format / Style / Change
Bars, but it has no effect.

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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Molly Keegan]

Hi All,

 

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!

 

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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!

Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File - Utilities - Compare documents)

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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[jopakent]

I generally do what Steve suggests. I run the compare utility on the old book 
versus the new book. Then I collect all of the newly created files 
(file1cmp.fm, file2cmp.fm, etc.) and create a new book with them. I use the 
existing graphics, TOC, and index files and then PDF the whole mess for the 
reviewers.

Works pretty well, although sometimes there are a lot of phantom changes caused 
by name changes to linked graphics and the like. I've developed some search 
techniques that show the change bars, insert, and delete conditions and when my 
reviewers want a better road map of the actual changes, I to that extra 
scrubbing as well.

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From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
 
 I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
 the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
 reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
 regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
 complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
 satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
 do?  Thanks!
 
 Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File - Utilities - Compare documents)
 
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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Molly:

If you're circulating your documents as PDFs, take a look at Acrobat's 
review-cycle feature, and also the document comparison feature that has 
several levels of granularity. Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents for 
comments by users who view the documents with Reader 8 or Reader 7, so 
users don't need full Acrobat.


HTH

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At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
  

I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
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Re: Better diff tool that change bars?

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Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents

Acrobat 7 also


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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Molly Keegan]

Hi All,



I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
do?  Thanks!



Molly Keegan 

Better diff tool that change bars?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
>
>I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
>the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
>reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
>regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
>complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
>satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
>do?  Thanks!

Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File -> Utilities -> Compare documents)

-- 
Steve

Better diff tool that change bars?

[jopak...@comcast.net]

I generally do what Steve suggests. I run the compare utility on the old book 
versus the new book. Then I collect all of the newly created files 
(file1cmp.fm, file2cmp.fm, etc.) and create a new book with them. I use the 
existing graphics, TOC, and index files and then PDF the whole mess for the 
reviewers.

Works pretty well, although sometimes there are a lot of phantom changes caused 
by name changes to linked graphics and the like. I've developed some search 
techniques that show the change bars, insert, and delete conditions and when my 
reviewers want a "better" road map of the actual changes, I to that extra 
scrubbing as well.

Regards

--
J. Paul Kent
206-383-0539

 -- Original message --
From: Steve Rickaby <srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk>
> At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
> >
> >I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
> >the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
> >reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
> >regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
> >complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
> >satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
> >do?  Thanks!
> 
> Use the diff tool in Frame ;-) (File -> Utilities -> Compare documents)
> 
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Better diff tool that change bars?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Molly:

If you're circulating your documents as PDFs, take a look at Acrobat's 
review-cycle feature, and also the document comparison feature that has 
several levels of granularity. Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents for 
comments by users who view the documents with Reader 8 or Reader 7, so 
users don't need full Acrobat.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
> At 11:35 -0400 18/4/07, Molly Keegan wrote:
>   
>> I am wondering how others keep track of changes made to their books.  I am
>> the only technical writer at my company, and we have a rigorous system of
>> reviews such that people are looking at the manuals who don't edit/read them
>> regularly.  Those engineers who have been doing reviews on the manuals have
>> complained about not having a good diff tool for Frame.  They don't seem
>> satisfied with the tools available within Frame.  What do the rest of you
>> do?  Thanks!

Better diff tool that change bars?

[John Posada]

>Acrobat 8 can enable PDF documents

Acrobat 7 also


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Senior Technical Writer

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Re: Change Bars

[Art Campbell]

When you say you cleaned the files, do you mean that you saved the FM
files as MIF to remove hidden Word characters and then reopened and
saved the MIFs as FM files?

If not, and if hidden Word chacters are triggering the change bars,
this would clear it.

Art

On 3/26/07, John Pilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have about 24 files in a book.
Each file is from a word document, cleaned and saved as RTF.
The FrameMaker template files ea RTF was imported into - they were all the
same, copies of ea other.
However, after importing ea RTF into ea FM file, some of the FM files
displayed change bars and conditional text.
Coming from the RTF, I gathered.
I selected all of the text in every FM file, and changed all text to
Unconditional.
Then I ensured that the Change Bar setting was to OFF,
and I clicked to clear all change bars  --  in every FM file.



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Change Bars

[rebecca officer]

Sometimes the change bar setting seems to get stuck in the end of flow markers 
at the end of table cells. If you go to the end of the last paragraph and press 
enter, then backspace, sometimes that works to replace the sick end of flow 
marker with an ok one.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> John Pilla  26/03/07 23:27 >>>
I have about 24 files in a book. 
Each file is from a word document, cleaned and saved as RTF. 
The FrameMaker template files ea RTF was imported into - they were all the 
same, copies of ea other.
However, after importing ea RTF into ea FM file, some of the FM files 
displayed change bars and conditional text.
Coming from the RTF, I gathered. 
I selected all of the text in every FM file, and changed all text to 
Unconditional.
Then I ensured that the Change Bar setting was to OFF, 
and I clicked to clear all change bars  --  in every FM file. 

However, in a couple of the FM files, the tables will still display a 
change bar when I edit the text. 

??? 

Is there a separate (from the document) change bar setting for tables? 

FM 7 p579,   Windows XP SP2.
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
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Change Bars

[Art Campbell]

When you say you cleaned the files, do you mean that you saved the FM
files as MIF to remove hidden Word characters and then reopened and
saved the MIFs as FM files?

If not, and if hidden Word chacters are triggering the change bars,
this would clear it.

Art

On 3/26/07, John Pilla  wrote:
> I have about 24 files in a book.
> Each file is from a word document, cleaned and saved as RTF.
> The FrameMaker template files ea RTF was imported into - they were all the
> same, copies of ea other.
> However, after importing ea RTF into ea FM file, some of the FM files
> displayed change bars and conditional text.
> Coming from the RTF, I gathered.
> I selected all of the text in every FM file, and changed all text to
> Unconditional.
> Then I ensured that the Change Bar setting was to OFF,
> and I clicked to clear all change bars  --  in every FM file.


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Change Bars

[John Pilla]

I have about 24 files in a book. 
Each file is from a word document, cleaned and saved as RTF. 
The FrameMaker template files ea RTF was imported into - they were all the 
same, copies of ea other.
However, after importing ea RTF into ea FM file, some of the FM files 
displayed change bars and conditional text.
Coming from the RTF, I gathered. 
I selected all of the text in every FM file, and changed all text to 
Unconditional.
Then I ensured that the Change Bar setting was to OFF, 
and I clicked to clear all change bars  --  in every FM file. 

However, in a couple of the FM files, the tables will still display a 
change bar when I edit the text. 

??? 

Is there a separate (from the document) change bar setting for tables? 

FM 7 p579,   Windows XP SP2.
 
~ John ~ 
Sr. Learning Specialist, Educational Services 
MRO Software (An IBM Company) 
Phn: +1.781.280.2003, Fax: +1.781.280.2201 
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