Re: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Penelope and Kenneth,

Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. Usually
replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, but this time it
did not. I just started looking in my Sent Mail because of the thread
(header) Confused about hexadecimal Codes, and then I saw a couple
of replies to my posting.


Kenneth:
You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I would
rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The character
prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, but on a PostScript
printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.

Penelope:
It would have set me on the right track if I had read it eariler. :-(
But the Confused... thread lead me to study the online manual:
FrameMaker Character Sets where I saw that there is no entry for the
circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. However, the sans-serif
circled 2 has an entry, as referred to in your reply.

ADOBE:
I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade to this
part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this is, as I am
starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, to revise the Adobe
PostScript driver, and have this solved in the FrameMaker.next (as
Bernard prefers to call the next version).

Thanks again and God bless,

Bodvar


On 5/16/07, Penelope Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bodvar,

I can confirm this behavior on Win XP, FM 7.2, Acro 7.0. Do you recall
the issue a number of years ago with Zapf Dingbats and Win2000/XP? To
get the right characters to both display and print, you had to edit the
PPD for the printer driver. I thought that might have something to do
with your problematic circle-2, but I checked the PPD used by Distiller
7 and it doesn't even include the line that the fix told you to edit.
Just out of curiosity, I tried this on a system with Win2000, FM 7.0,
Acro 5.5, and got the same results, regardless of whether that PPD is
edited, so it's not a new problem.

Do you have to use the serif numbers? There are sans serif numbers in
circles starting at ALT+0192; I tested to make sure ALT+0193 really
produces a circle-2.

BTW, you can see info about the aforementioned issue at
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.ef4dc73

Regards,
Penelope

=
Penelope Perkins, Senior Technical Writer
Synergex
Sacramento, California
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 From:
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.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:48 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Character switching FM/Distiller

 Hi all,

 I am trying to use Zapf Dingbats (that has never failed me!) to
 display and print a.o. the digit 2 in a ring. The FM shortcut is
 CTRL-q - (dash) or ALT-0173.

 The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
 ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
 shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
 holding pen turning left.
 Both characters are using the dash, according to the character map,
 with the difference that the hand is hard dash and the 2 circled is
 the soft dash.

 Any ideas? Will I need to use the circled numbers from Wingdings 1?

 I have no problems with the circled 1.

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
 Supervisor Publishing,
 Air Atlanta Icelandic.
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RE: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
Adobe PostScript Driver, at least for the current
versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of 
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.

The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
earlier) versions.

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:39 AM
 To: Penelope Perkins
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Character switching FM/Distiller
 
 Hi Penelope and Kenneth,
 
 Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. 
 Usually replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, 
 but this time it did not. I just started looking in my Sent 
 Mail because of the thread
 (header) Confused about hexadecimal Codes, and then I saw a 
 couple of replies to my posting.
 
 
 Kenneth:
 You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I 
 would rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The 
 character prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, 
 but on a PostScript printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.
 
 Penelope:
 It would have set me on the right track if I had read it 
 eariler. :-( But the Confused... thread lead me to study 
 the online manual:
 FrameMaker Character Sets where I saw that there is no 
 entry for the circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. 
 However, the sans-serif circled 2 has an entry, as referred 
 to in your reply.
 
 ADOBE:
 I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade 
 to this part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this 
 is, as I am starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, 
 to revise the Adobe PostScript driver, and have this solved 
 in the FrameMaker.next (as Bernard prefers to call the next version).
 
 Thanks again and God bless,
 
 Bodvar
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RE: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an Adobe PostScript Driver, 
at least for the current versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe 
PDF PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers supporting 
PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and 
Windows Vista.

How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker installations we 
get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer driver (or such is my interpretation 
of the fact that it's called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print 
dialog, and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file info on it).

-- 
Steve
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Re: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On 5/21/07, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
Adobe PostScript Driver, at least for the current
versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.


I stand corrected. :-)



The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
earlier) versions.

- Dov



Not too good news for FM 7 owners/users, Dov. Hopefully FM 8 will have
the full Unicode support.

Thanks for the info.

Bodvar
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RE: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

I did say Windows, not Macintosh, as well as the particular
versions of Windows!

- Dov 

 -Original Message-
 From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:38 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Penelope Perkins
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Character switching FM/Distiller
 
 At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:
 
 For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an Adobe 
 PostScript Driver, at least for the current versions of 
 Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF PostScript printer 
 driver instance and for most printers supporting PostScript 
 is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
 Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 
 Server 2003, and Windows Vista.
 
 How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker 
 installations we get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer 
 driver (or such is my interpretation of the fact that it's 
 called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print dialog, 
 and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file 
 info on it).
 
 -- 
 Steve
 
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Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Penelope and Kenneth,

Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. Usually
replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, but this time it
did not. I just started looking in my Sent Mail because of the thread
(header) "Confused about hexadecimal Codes", and then I saw a couple
of replies to my posting.


Kenneth:
You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I would
rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The character
prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, but on a PostScript
printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.

Penelope:
It would have set me on the right track if I had read it eariler. :-(
But the "Confused..." thread lead me to study the online manual:
"FrameMaker Character Sets" where I saw that there is no entry for the
circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. However, the sans-serif
circled 2 has an entry, as referred to in your reply.

ADOBE:
I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade to this
part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this is, as I am
starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, to revise the Adobe
PostScript driver, and have this solved in the FrameMaker.next (as
Bernard prefers to call the next version).

Thanks again and God bless,

Bodvar


On 5/16/07, Penelope Perkins  wrote:
> Bodvar,
>
> I can confirm this behavior on Win XP, FM 7.2, Acro 7.0. Do you recall
> the issue a number of years ago with Zapf Dingbats and Win2000/XP? To
> get the right characters to both display and print, you had to edit the
> PPD for the printer driver. I thought that might have something to do
> with your problematic circle-2, but I checked the PPD used by Distiller
> 7 and it doesn't even include the line that the fix told you to edit.
> Just out of curiosity, I tried this on a system with Win2000, FM 7.0,
> Acro 5.5, and got the same results, regardless of whether that PPD is
> edited, so it's not a new problem.
>
> Do you have to use the serif numbers? There are sans serif numbers in
> circles starting at ALT+0192; I tested to make sure ALT+0193 really
> produces a circle-2.
>
> BTW, you can see info about the aforementioned issue at
> http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50 at 97.JKaTavSAj4d.0@.ef4dc73
>
> Regards,
> Penelope
>
> =
> Penelope Perkins, Senior Technical Writer
> Synergex
> Sacramento, California
> pperkins at synergex.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:
> > framers-bounces+pperkins=synergex.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+pperkins=synergex.com at lists.frameusers
> .com] On Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:48 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Character switching FM/Distiller
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am trying to use Zapf Dingbats (that has never failed me!) to
> > display and print a.o. the digit 2 in a ring. The FM shortcut is
> > CTRL-q - (dash) or ALT-0173.
> >
> > The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
> > ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
> > shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
> > holding pen turning left.
> > Both characters are using the dash, according to the character map,
> > with the difference that the hand is hard dash and the 2 circled is
> > the soft dash.
> >
> > Any ideas? Will I need to use the circled numbers from Wingdings 1?
> >
> > I have no problems with the circled "1".
> >
> > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> > Supervisor Publishing,
> > Air Atlanta Icelandic.
> > ___
> >
> >
>

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
"Adobe PostScript Driver," at least for the current
versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of 
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.

The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
earlier) versions.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:39 AM
> To: Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> Hi Penelope and Kenneth,
> 
> Thank you for your help. I regret to be late in replying. 
> Usually replies move the thread into the Inbox of my Gmail, 
> but this time it did not. I just started looking in my Sent 
> Mail because of the thread
> (header) "Confused about hexadecimal Codes", and then I saw a 
> couple of replies to my posting.
> 
> 
> Kenneth:
> You are absolutely right. This is not a Distiller problem. I 
> would rather think this is has to do with the PS driver. The 
> character prints as intended on any non-postscript printer, 
> but on a PostScript printer and to PDF it prints incorrectly.
> 
> Penelope:
> It would have set me on the right track if I had read it 
> eariler. :-( But the "Confused..." thread lead me to study 
> the online manual:
> "FrameMaker Character Sets" where I saw that there is no 
> entry for the circled roman 2, which must be rated as a bug. 
> However, the sans-serif circled 2 has an entry, as referred 
> to in your reply.
> 
> ADOBE:
> I think Adobe should really make a separate revision/upgrade 
> to this part of FM for all versions 7.x at least, or if this 
> is, as I am starting to suspect, a PostScript driver fault, 
> to revise the Adobe PostScript driver, and have this solved 
> in the FrameMaker.next (as Bernard prefers to call the next version).
> 
> Thanks again and God bless,
> 
> Bodvar

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an "Adobe PostScript Driver," 
>at least for the current versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe 
>PDF PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers supporting 
>PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
>Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and 
>Windows Vista.

How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker installations we 
get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer driver (or such is my interpretation 
of the fact that it's called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print 
dialog, and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file info on it).

-- 
Steve

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On 5/21/07, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an
> "Adobe PostScript Driver," at least for the current
> versions of Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF
> PostScript printer driver instance and for most printers
> supporting PostScript is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver
> distributed and maintained by Microsoft as part of
> Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and
> Windows Vista. Although Adobe worked with Microsoft to
> originally develop that driver nearly eight years ago,
> Microsoft has had full responsibility for it ever since.

I stand corrected. :-)

>
> The problems with FrameMaker's poor character set support
> cannot be readily solved without full Unicode support.
> You will NOT see such support in any FrameMaker 7.x (or
> earlier) versions.
>
> - Dov
>

Not too good news for FM 7 owners/users, Dov. Hopefully FM 8 will have
the full Unicode support.

Thanks for the info.

Bodvar

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Dov Isaacs]

I did say Windows, not Macintosh, as well as the particular
versions of Windows!

- Dov 

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:38 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Penelope Perkins
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Character switching FM/Distiller
> 
> At 08:25 -0700 21/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
> >For what it is worth, there is no such thing as an "Adobe 
> PostScript Driver," at least for the current versions of 
> Windows. The driver used for the Adobe PDF PostScript printer 
> driver instance and for most printers supporting PostScript 
> is in fact the PSCRIPT5 driver distributed and maintained by 
> Microsoft as part of  Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 
> Server 2003, and Windows Vista.
> 
> How very interesting. At least on our obsolete Mac FrameMaker 
> installations we get a genoooiyne Adobe-branded Ps printer 
> driver (or such is my interpretation of the fact that it's 
> called 'AdobePS', shows an Adobe logo in the print dialog, 
> and says 'Adobe Systems Incorporated' when you request file 
> info on it).
> 
> -- 
> Steve
> 

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi all,

I am trying to use Zapf Dingbats (that has never failed me!) to
display and print a.o. the digit 2 in a ring. The FM shortcut is
CTRL-q - (dash) or ALT-0173.

The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
holding pen turning left.
Both characters are using the dash, according to the character map,
with the difference that the hand is hard dash and the 2 circled is
the soft dash.

Any ideas? Will I need to use the circled numbers from Wingdings 1?

I have no problems with the circled 1.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Air Atlanta Icelandic.
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Re: Character switching FM/Distiller

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
 ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
 shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
 holding pen turning left.


I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm getting the same thing. I don't
think it's Distiller, because I get the same thing if I print directly to a
PS printer. I think it has something to do with how Frame treats the soft
hyphen character. It's printing it as 002D, a regular hard hyphen.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

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Character switching FM/Distiller

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi all,

I am trying to use Zapf Dingbats (that has never failed me!) to
display and print a.o. the digit 2 in a ring. The FM shortcut is
CTRL-q - (dash) or ALT-0173.

The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
holding pen turning left.
Both characters are using the dash, according to the character map,
with the difference that the hand is hard dash and the 2 circled is
the soft dash.

Any ideas? Will I need to use the circled numbers from Wingdings 1?

I have no problems with the circled "1".

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
Supervisor Publishing,
Air Atlanta Icelandic.

Character switching FM/Distiller

[Kenneth C. Benson]

From: "Bodvar Bjorgvinsson" 

> The weird thing is that in both instances (using CTRL-q - (dash) and
> ALT-0173) or by copy - pasting from the character map, the character
> shows correctly in FM 7.2 but after distilling, the pdf shows the hand
> holding pen turning left.


I'm not sure what's going on here, but I'm getting the same thing. I don't
think it's Distiller, because I get the same thing if I print directly to a
PS printer. I think it has something to do with how Frame treats the soft
hyphen character. It's printing it as 002D, a regular hard hyphen.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com