Dictionary style layout in Frame
Hello Framers, I am laying out a print book with a reference section at the end, which includes the transcripts of 12,000 sequentially numbered PowerPoint slides (yes, that's 12,000, it will be several hundred pages). I'd like to do a dictionary style layout. I've got it in two columns, with running heads at the top of each page like a dictionary, showing the first and last entry on each page. Works great. What I can't figure out is the dictionary style separator between parts. I'd like to do a separator between each 1000 slides. I have two dictionaries and a thesaurus here that show this. When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, because the separator needs to flow with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it needs to go across two columns. Any ideas? Tina Ricks Editor Trial Guides, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Dictionary style layout in Frame
If it was me, I'd use that as the chapter name tag and have that start each of the chapters/files in the book. In the paragraph designer: * On the Basic Tab, set alignment to Center. * Pick a big point size for the letter. * On the Pagination tab, activate the checkbox to run across all columns. * On the Numbering tab, set to Autonumber with the $chapnum variable. * On the Advanced tab, set Frame Below to Single Line. Or Double Line if you're in a risk-taking mood. In your book file, highlight all the files and set Chapter Numbering to upper case letters. Cheers, Art On 10/5/07, Tina Ricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Framers, I am laying out a print book with a reference section at the end, which includes the transcripts of 12,000 sequentially numbered PowerPoint slides (yes, that's 12,000, it will be several hundred pages). I'd like to do a dictionary style layout. I've got it in two columns, with running heads at the top of each page like a dictionary, showing the first and last entry on each page. Works great. What I can't figure out is the dictionary style separator between parts. I'd like to do a separator between each 1000 slides. I have two dictionaries and a thesaurus here that show this. When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, because the separator needs to flow with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it needs to go across two columns. Any ideas? Tina Ricks Editor Trial Guides, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Dictionary style layout in Frame
Tina Ricks wrote: When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, because the separator needs to flow with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it needs to go across two columns. Art's method is going to work great if you want each letter to start a new page, but I think what you want is for text to flow from the top of the left column down to the middle of the left column, jump to the top of the right column down to the middle of the right column, back to the left column in the middle, span both columns with a letter break, then continue with text in the left column under the break filling the remainder of the left and right columns. The only way I know to do this in Frame is by using two text frames, one for the top two columns, and a second one for the letter break and the bottom two columns. Since the letter break is not likely to end up in the same vertical position for every letter, this is not something you could accomplish with one master page, although you could certainly do it with 26 (one for each letter). But I'm not sure of the benefit of making 26 master pages, each of which would have to be adjusted every time the text reflowed. Probably just as easy and maintainable to use one master page with two text boxes and adjust each usage of that page locally. If you have any control over the design, starting each letter on a new page and following Art's instructions will make life a lot simpler. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Dictionary style layout in Frame
Ken, I think the tag method would work with flowing text, too, but I wouldn't want to see the size of a single file after you imported 12,000 slides. It'd take a while to do much. Like to move from page to page... That's why I prefaced my message with I would. ... break it into 26 files. ;- ) Art On 10/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tina Ricks wrote: When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, because the separator needs to flow with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it needs to go across two columns. Art's method is going to work great if you want each letter to start a new page, but I think what you want is for text to flow from the top of the left column down to the middle of the left column, jump to the top of the right column down to the middle of the right column, back to the left column in the middle, span both columns with a letter break, then continue with text in the left column under the break filling the remainder of the left and right columns. The only way I know to do this in Frame is by using two text frames, one for the top two columns, and a second one for the letter break and the bottom two columns. Since the letter break is not likely to end up in the same vertical position for every letter, this is not something you could accomplish with one master page, although you could certainly do it with 26 (one for each letter). But I'm not sure of the benefit of making 26 master pages, each of which would have to be adjusted every time the text reflowed. Probably just as easy and maintainable to use one master page with two text boxes and adjust each usage of that page locally. If you have any control over the design, starting each letter on a new page and following Art's instructions will make life a lot simpler. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Dictionary style layout in Frame
Hello Framers, I am laying out a print book with a reference section at the end, which includes the transcripts of 12,000 sequentially numbered PowerPoint slides (yes, that's 12,000, it will be several hundred pages). I'd like to do a dictionary style layout. I've got it in two columns, with running heads at the top of each page like a dictionary, showing the first and last entry on each page. Works great. What I can't figure out is the dictionary style separator between parts. I'd like to do a separator between each 1000 slides. I have two dictionaries and a thesaurus here that show this. When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, because the separator needs to "flow" with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it needs to go across two columns. Any ideas? Tina Ricks Editor Trial Guides, LLC kristina.ricks at verizon.net
Dictionary style layout in Frame
If it was me, I'd use that as the "chapter name" tag and have that start each of the chapters/files in the book. In the paragraph designer: * On the Basic Tab, set alignment to Center. * Pick a big point size for the letter. * On the Pagination tab, activate the checkbox to "run across all columns." * On the Numbering tab, set to Autonumber with the <$chapnum> variable. * On the Advanced tab, set Frame Below to Single Line. Or Double Line if you're in a risk-taking mood. In your book file, highlight all the files and set Chapter Numbering to upper case letters. Cheers, Art On 10/5/07, Tina Ricks wrote: > Hello Framers, > > > > I am laying out a print book with a reference section at the end, which > includes the transcripts of 12,000 sequentially numbered PowerPoint slides > (yes, that's 12,000, it will be several hundred pages). I'd like to do a > dictionary style layout. > > I've got it in two columns, with running heads at the top of each page like > a dictionary, showing the first and last entry on each page. Works great. > > What I can't figure out is the dictionary style separator between parts. I'd > like to do a separator between each 1000 slides. I have two dictionaries and > a thesaurus here that show this. When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for > example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big > letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, > because the separator needs to "flow" with the text. Does that make any > sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But > it needs to go across two columns. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Tina Ricks > > Editor > > Trial Guides, LLC > > kristina.ricks at verizon.net -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Dictionary style layout in Frame
Tina Ricks wrote: > When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for > example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big > letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, > because the separator needs to "flow" with the text. Does that make any > sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But > it needs to go across two columns. Art's method is going to work great if you want each letter to start a new page, but I think what you want is for text to flow from the top of the left column down to the middle of the left column, jump to the top of the right column down to the middle of the right column, back to the left column in the middle, span both columns with a letter break, then continue with text in the left column under the break filling the remainder of the left and right columns. The only way I know to do this in Frame is by using two text frames, one for the top two columns, and a second one for the letter break and the bottom two columns. Since the letter break is not likely to end up in the same vertical position for every letter, this is not something you could accomplish with one master page, although you could certainly do it with 26 (one for each letter). But I'm not sure of the benefit of making 26 master pages, each of which would have to be adjusted every time the text reflowed. Probably just as easy and maintainable to use one master page with two text boxes and adjust each usage of that page locally. If you have any control over the design, starting each letter on a new page and following Art's instructions will make life a lot simpler. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
Dictionary style layout in Frame
Ken, I think the tag method would work with flowing text, too, but I wouldn't want to see the size of a single file after you imported 12,000 slides. It'd take a while to do much. Like to move from page to page... That's why I prefaced my message with "I would." ... break it into 26 files. ;- ) Art On 10/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: > Tina Ricks wrote: > > > When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for > > example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns and a great big > > letter H, and then the H words start. I can't do this with master pages, > > because the separator needs to "flow" with the text. Does that make any > > sense? If this was Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But > > it needs to go across two columns. > > > Art's method is going to work great if you want each letter to start a > new page, but I think what you want is for text to flow from the top of > the left column down to the middle of the left column, jump to the top > of the right column down to the middle of the right column, back to the > left column in the middle, span both columns with a letter break, then > continue with text in the left column under the break filling the > remainder of the left and right columns. > > The only way I know to do this in Frame is by using two text frames, one > for the top two columns, and a second one for the letter break and the > bottom two columns. Since the letter break is not likely to end up in > the same vertical position for every letter, this is not something you > could accomplish with one master page, although you could certainly do > it with 26 (one for each letter). But I'm not sure of the benefit of > making 26 master pages, each of which would have to be adjusted every > time the text reflowed. Probably just as easy and maintainable to use > one master page with two text boxes and adjust each usage of that page > locally. > > If you have any control over the design, starting each letter on a new > page and following Art's instructions will make life a lot simpler. > > Kenneth Benson > Pegasus Type, Inc. > www.pegtype.com > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Dictionary style layout in Frame
Art Campbell wrote: > I think the tag method would work with flowing text, too, but I > wouldn't want to see the size of a single file after you imported > 12,000 slides. It'd take a while to do much. Like to move from page to > page... You're right, Art, straddle heads can interrupt a 2-column page quite neatly with only one frame. I should have tested this first. I hadn't even begun to think about the 12,000 slides. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
Dictionary style layout in Frame
Tina Ricks wrote: > I am laying out a print book with a reference section at the > end, which includes the transcripts of 12,000 sequentially > numbered PowerPoint slides (yes, that's 12,000, it will be > several hundred pages). I'd like to do a dictionary style layout. > > I've got it in two columns, with running heads at the top of > each page like a dictionary, showing the first and last entry > on each page. Works great. > > What I can't figure out is the dictionary style separator > between parts. I'd like to do a separator between each 1000 > slides. I have two dictionaries and a thesaurus here that > show this. When I go from G to H in a dictionary, for > example, there is a horizontal separator across both columns > and a great big letter H, and then the H words start. I can't > do this with master pages, because the separator needs to > "flow" with the text. Does that make any sense? If this was > Word, I'd think of it like a floating section break. But it > needs to go across two columns. I'm confused. Are you arbitrarily going to put a separator every 1000 slides? Why? What purpose would that serve? Or are you going to separate alphabetically by title or whatever, like the dictionary example you cite? Either way, I'd share Art and Kenneth's concern about putting all 12,000 in one file, so you may want to consider some plan -- arbitrary, alpha, or ... -- for dividing this monster up into multiple FM files. That said, I believe you should be able to do the horizontal separators you describe with little trouble (admittedly, I'm speculating; I rarely use multiple columns and never with the kind of separator you envision). Presumably, all the pgf tags used for the slide text have Pagination Format set to In Column. To hold your separator letters/headings/whatever, you need a pgf format with Pagination Format set to Across All Columns. Wherever you insert it into the flow, the entries preceding it will flow across both columns above it, and the entries that follow will flow across both columns below it. If you want a ruling line or some graphic above the letter/heading/whatever pgf, use the Frame Above Pgf setting (Advanced tab) to specify a graphic frame that you've created on a ref page and put the appropriate line/whatever into. See the manual or help regarding the frame above setting. HTH, and happy weekend! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
