First Time Framer! Fix for Rivers in Word 2003

2007-06-01 Thread Mark Lawrence
Dammit that works GREAT! Shmuel I cannot thank you enough, you have really made my day, my week and possibly my future report writing with Word. The option of which you speak is found in Word 2003 ToolsOptionsCompatibility[tick]'Do full justification like Word Perfect 6.x for Windows', I've

First Time Framer! Fix for Rivers in Word 2003

2007-06-01 Thread Mark Lawrence
Dammit that works GREAT! Shmuel I cannot thank you enough, you have really made my day, my week and possibly my future report writing with Word. The option of which you speak is found in Word 2003 Tools>Options>Compatibility>[tick]'Do full justification like Word Perfect 6.x for Windows', I've

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0600 30/5/07, Combs, Richard wrote: And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing profession really need more excuses for font fondling? :-o Well, for my money, one of the great things about InD is the quality of layout it produces without interference. Ok, you

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:29 -0700 30/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: Or maybe you want an InDesign = 6 that supports all the wonderful FrameMaker features that aren't already in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of other problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color support, transparency support, etc.

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
As far the rivers, there is an option in Word when using justified text to ge t rid of the rivers. It does not look good on screen when using this option, bu t the printed version is excellent. See the article below. The name of the option below is for Word 2000. I can't find that option in

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:49 -0600 30/5/07, Combs, Richard wrote: >And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing >profession really need more excuses for font fondling? :-o Well, for my money, one of the great things about InD is the quality of layout it produces without interference. Ok,

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 14:29 -0700 30/5/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Or maybe you want an InDesign >= 6 that supports all the wonderful FrameMaker >features that aren't already in InDesign. That would solve a whole bunch of >other problems such as Macintosh support, CMYK + spot color support, >transparency support,

First Time Framer!

2007-05-31 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
As far the "rivers," there is an option in Word when using justified text to ge t rid of the rivers. It does not look good on screen when using this option, bu t the printed version is excellent. See the article below. The name of the option below is for Word 2000. I can't find that option in

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Mark Lawrence
of experience in this area. Best wishes, Mark Mark Lawrence Director First Read This +44 01865 30 40 52 www.firstreadthis.com -Original Message- From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2007 14:16 To: Mark Lawrence Cc: Shmuel Wolfson Subject: RE: First Time Framer

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:07 +0200 30/5/07, Mark Lawrence wrote: I think I missed Shmuel's point as he was overtly discussing 'Print Preview' and I think my need is somewhat different, so please allow me to state it in more detail: what I tend to notice in Word is the poor consistency of the texture of justified

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
I agree with Steve. The time saved of being able to use variables, conditional text, text insets, and custom books built from shared chapters -- all features of FM that Word can't duplicate -- has enabled me to produce quality, custom documents that meet the various needs of our divergent

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Pinkham, Jim
. From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:56 AM To: Steve Rickaby; Mark Lawrence; Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First Time Framer! I agree with Steve. The time saved of being able to use

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
a lot of experience in this area. Best wishes, Mark Mark Lawrence Director First Read This +44 01865 30 40 52 www.firstreadthis.com -Original Message- From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2007 14:16 To: Mark Lawrence Cc: Shmuel Wolfson Subject: RE: First Time Framer

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Peter Gold
FrameMaker's very practical typographic aces-in-the-hole - side headings, straddle headings that run across all columns, and across all columns and side heads, and run-in heading paragraphs that snug up to subsequent paragraphs - aren't what the font-fondlers mean by sophisticated typographic

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
So, Kenneth, would you say that if you're needing a workhorse for managing content that has lots of overlap and several versions of output, FM might be a better choice; whereas if you're not having to manage as much content overlap or customized output, ID can create more professionally typeset

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, Kenneth, would you say that if you're needing a workhorse for managing content that has lots of overlap and several versions of output, FM might be a better choice; whereas if you're not having to manage as much content overlap or customized output, ID

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
Kenneth C. Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's decidedly a tradeoff: you'll give up certain aspects of automation and long document support, but getting the text pretty is much easier. Indesign has some XML capabilities, but I don't know much about them. As in the song, 'Small, but a-growin''

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:42 -0500 30/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: Frame considers only one line at a time. ID understands that it can break URLs at slashes and periods; Frame allows you to define break characters, but once you've allowed (for example) breaks after slashes, you have no way to disallow 1/2 from

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Gagne, Bernard \(Bolton\)
. Benson; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: First Time Framer! At 10:42 -0500 30/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: Frame considers only one line at a time. ID understands that it can break URLs at slashes and periods; Frame allows you to define break characters, but once you've allowed

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Combs, Richard
Steve Rickaby wrote: A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's typographical engine. Are you listening, Adobe? Hmm, that's an interesting religion you're positing. ;-) And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing profession really need more excuses

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Dov Isaacs
- From: Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:38 PM To: Kenneth C. Benson; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: First Time Framer! ... A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's typographical engine. Are you listening, Adobe? -- Steve

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 16:07 +0200 30/5/07, Mark Lawrence wrote: >I think I missed Shmuel's point as he was overtly discussing 'Print >Preview' and I think my need is somewhat different, so please allow me >to state it in more detail: what I tend to notice in Word is the poor >consistency of the texture of justified

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
I agree with Steve. The time saved of being able to use variables, conditional text, text insets, and custom books built from shared chapters -- all features of FM that Word can't duplicate -- has enabled me to produce quality, custom documents that meet the various needs of our divergent

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Pinkham, Jim
. From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:56 AM To: Steve Rickaby; Mark Lawrence; Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: First Time Framer! I agree with Steve. The time saved of being able to use

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Peter Gold
FrameMaker's very practical typographic aces-in-the-hole - side headings, straddle headings that run across all columns, and across all columns and side heads, and run-in heading paragraphs that "snug up" to subsequent paragraphs - aren't what the "font-fondlers" mean by "sophisticated"

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Rene Stephenson
So, Kenneth, would you say that if you're needing a workhorse for managing content that has lots of overlap and several versions of output, FM might be a better choice; whereas if you're not having to manage as much content overlap or customized output, ID can create more professionally typeset

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Kenneth C. Benson
From: "Rene Stephenson" > So, Kenneth, would you say that if you're needing a workhorse for managing content that has lots of overlap and several versions of output, FM might be a better choice; whereas if you're not having to manage as much content overlap or customized

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
"Kenneth C. Benson" wrote: >It's decidedly a tradeoff: you'll give up certain aspects of automation and >long document support, but getting the text pretty is much easier. Indesign >has some XML capabilities, but I don't know much about them. As in the song, 'Small, but a-growin'' ;-) --

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:42 -0500 30/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: >Frame considers only one line at a time. ID understands that it can break URLs >at slashes and periods; Frame allows you to define break characters, but once >you've allowed (for example) breaks after slashes, you have no way to disallow >1/2

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)
] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:38 PM To: Kenneth C. Benson; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: First Time Framer! At 10:42 -0500 30/5/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote: >Frame considers only one line at a time. ID understands that it can break URLs at slashes and peri

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Combs, Richard
Steve Rickaby wrote: > A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's > typographical engine. > > Are you listening, Adobe? Hmm, that's an interesting religion you're positing. ;-) And, indulge my curmudgeonliness for a moment: Does the tech writing profession really need more

First Time Framer!

2007-05-30 Thread Dov Isaacs
essage- > From: Steve Rickaby > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:38 PM > To: Kenneth C. Benson; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: First Time Framer! > > ... > > A benevolent God would give us FrameMaker 9 with InD's > typographical engine. > > Are you listening, Adobe? > > -- > Steve

Thanks from First Time Framer

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
Hi, Thanks for your friendly responses to my mail with the subject 'First Time Framer'. The reassurances that I have received from list members have been very comforting. The language of frame maker is still alien to me, so I have not been able to really appreciate the depth of insight

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
Time Framer! Hi Mark, Whilst FrameMaker does not have a mail merge function built in, there are a couple of options that are available to you. Firstly, you could try and use FrameMaker varaibles in the places where your variable content would go. You could then simply modify these variables when

Thanks from First Time Framer

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
Hi, Thanks for your friendly responses to my mail with the subject 'First Time Framer'. The reassurances that I have received from list members have been very comforting. The language of frame maker is still alien to me, so I have not been able to really appreciate the depth of insight

First Time Framer!

2007-05-29 Thread Mark Lawrence
: First Time Framer! Hi Mark, Whilst FrameMaker does not have a mail merge function built in, there are a couple of options that are available to you. Firstly, you could try and use FrameMaker varaibles in the places where your variable content would go. You could then simply modify these variables

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-28 Thread azdunczyk
across the book much easier. Z Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. http://www.a2z-pub.com - Original Message - From: Mark Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:43 pm Subject: First Time Framer! To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hi, I hope you don't mind

RE: First Time Framer!

2007-05-28 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
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First Time Framer!

2007-05-28 Thread azdunc...@triad.rr.com
across the book much easier. Z Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. http://www.a2z-pub.com - Original Message - From: Mark Lawrence <marklawre...@firstreadthis.com> Date: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:43 pm Subject: First Time Framer! To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >

First Time Framer!

2007-05-28 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
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Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-27 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Out of all the reasons to switch to FM, the layout was never an issue by me. All you have to do is select the correct print driver in the Print dialog box, and view the doc in Print Preview, not Page Layout view. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Mark Lawrence wrote: Hi, I hope you don't mind me

First Time Framer!

2007-05-27 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Out of all the reasons to switch to FM, the layout was never an issue by me. All you have to do is select the correct print driver in the Print dialog box, and view the doc in Print Preview, not Page Layout view. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Mark Lawrence wrote: > Hi, > > I hope you don't mind

First Time Framer!

2007-05-27 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Out of all the reasons to switch to FM, the layout was never an issue by me. All you have to do is select the correct print driver in the Print dialog box, and view the doc in Print Preview, not Page Layout view. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Mark Lawrence wrote: > Hi, > > I hope you don't mind

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:09 +0200 25/5/07, Mark Lawrence wrote: The reason I am being so hesitant to just go out and buy the software and subsribe to every training course available (other than cashflow) is that I am basically unsure whether Framemaker will do the job I want it to, hence I will try to describe

First Time Framer!

2007-05-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 18:09 +0200 25/5/07, Mark Lawrence wrote: >The reason I am being so hesitant to just go out and buy the software and >subsribe to every training course available (other than cashflow) is that I am >basically unsure whether Framemaker will do the job I want it to, hence I will >try to

First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Mark Lawrence
Hi, I hope you don't mind me introducing myself to the list and then asking a question straight away. My name is Mark, I am based in Oxford, UK, and I write reports that assist pharmaceuticals with their marketing authorisations - at least that's the interesting part of my job. I've been

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Mike Wickham
Mark, Since your docs are nearly identical, you'll probably use conditional text or variables in FrameMaker to create and maintain them. I'll let others with more experience with those offer tips. But here are some other useful tips for Frame newbies, bearing in mind that you're a stickler

Re: First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Doug
IMO, if the results I'm getting from FrameMaker aren't good enough, then the problem is in how I'm using it. IOW, the problem is with me, not Frame. (grin) --Doug ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages

First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Mark Lawrence
Hi, I hope you don't mind me introducing myself to the list and then asking a question straight away. My name is Mark, I am based in Oxford, UK, and I write reports that assist pharmaceuticals with their marketing authorisations - at least that's the interesting part of my job. I've been

First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Mike Wickham
Mark, Since your docs are nearly identical, you'll probably use conditional text or variables in FrameMaker to create and maintain them. I'll let others with more experience with those offer tips. But here are some other useful tips for Frame newbies, bearing in mind that you're a stickler for

First Time Framer!

2007-05-25 Thread Doug
IMO, if the results I'm getting from FrameMaker aren't good enough, then the problem is in how I'm using it. IOW, the problem is with me, not Frame. (grin) --Doug