Footnote Out of Sequence
I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small Proceed to file download page just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Footnote Out of Sequence
Because these are _table_ footnotes instead of textual footnotes, the numbering should reset with each new table, as far as I know, because each table is a discrete entity. If you have to fake it out (which I wouldn't recommend, but which you may be able to get away with if you're not following a strict academic style guide), I'd just add a superscript number manually. This will cause you more problems if you add material to the tables so that the page break change... which would be another reason to duplicate the footnote text, IMHO. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small Proceed to file download page just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Footnote Out of Sequence
Sounds like good advice, Art, and thanks for that explanation on how FM handles footnotes. Appreciatively, Jim -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:40 AM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence Because these are _table_ footnotes instead of textual footnotes, the numbering should reset with each new table, as far as I know, because each table is a discrete entity. If you have to fake it out (which I wouldn't recommend, but which you may be able to get away with if you're not following a strict academic style guide), I'd just add a superscript number manually. This will cause you more problems if you add material to the tables so that the page break change... which would be another reason to duplicate the footnote text, IMHO. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small Proceed to file download page just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Footnote Out of Sequence
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small Proceed to file download page just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it. ___ Hi, Jim: If I understand your situation correctly, I believe multiple references to the same footnote should use the same reference number in the main text or table cell text. Using this model, your second reference to footnote 2 should also display 2, so you may want to change your approach and use the cross-reference technique to capture the number 2 from the second footnote, rather than faking an increment to 3. If a new footnote reference is inserted before footnote 1 or 2, they'll increment correctly; the cross-reference to multiple instances of 2 may require a cross-reference update action, but otherwise, as any cross-reference, these are self-maintaining. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Footnote Out of Sequence
Hi, Jim: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: Hi, Peter -- Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn about it and consider going that route. Unless it's possible to fake the two tables as a single table, I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Footnote Out of Sequence
No problem, Peter. Thanks for thinking it over :) -Original Message- From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:33 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence Hi, Jim: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: Hi, Peter -- Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn about it and consider going that route. Unless it's possible to fake the two tables as a single table, I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Footnote Out of Sequence
Jim, I had an instance where I had to replicate a published report, and that report had Tables with footnotes as part of the regular footnote sequence. In FM this was not possible so I faked it as follows. I created a real footnote in the anchor paragraph for the table, and coloured the in-text footnote number white so it wouldn't show. Then I added a superscript number (same as the footnote number) in the table to make the reader think this was the real reference. ...Chris From: Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com To: pe...@knowhowpro.com,Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Footnote Out of Sequence Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:15:39 -0600 Hi, Peter -- Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn about it and consider going that route. Regards, Jim -Original Message- From: knowhow...@gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Art Campbell Cc: Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim jim.pink...@voith.com wrote: I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small Proceed to file download page just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it. ___ Hi, Jim: If I understand your situation correctly, I believe multiple references to the same footnote should use the same reference number in the main text or table cell text. Using this model, your second reference to footnote 2 should also display 2, so you may want to change your approach and use the cross-reference technique to capture the number 2 from the second footnote, rather than faking an increment to 3. If a new footnote reference is inserted before footnote 1 or 2, they'll increment correctly; the cross-reference to multiple instances of 2 may require a cross-reference update action, but otherwise, as any cross-reference, these are self-maintaining. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as cs...@sympatico.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Footnote Out of Sequence
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:55:18 +, Christopher Seal cs...@sympatico.ca wrote: I had an instance where I had to replicate a published report, and that report had Tables with footnotes as part of the regular footnote sequence. In FM this was not possible so I faked it as follows. I created a real footnote in the anchor paragraph for the table, and coloured the in-text footnote number white so it wouldn't show. Then I added a superscript number (same as the footnote number) in the table to make the reader think this was the real reference. Clever! The problem is that the number in the table won't link to the footnote, but people may overlook that. However, with one slight change you could make that work too. Instead of putting in a text superscript number in the table, use a cross-reference to the real footnote. A second potential issue is that white text may become visible under some conditions (like a non-white background), and can be found in searches. You can minimize the chance of that happening by hiding the anchor para behind the table. Use negative space below equal to the line height for the anchor para, and the same negative amount for space above the table. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Footnote Out of Sequence
I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. Here's what my section of this page looks like: http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file download page" just above it.) What to do? Jim BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but not attach it.
Footnote Out of Sequence
Because these are _table_ footnotes instead of textual footnotes, the numbering should reset with each new table, as far as I know, because each table is a discrete entity. If you have to fake it out (which I wouldn't recommend, but which you may be able to get away with if you're not following a strict academic style guide), I'd just add a superscript number manually. This will cause you more problems if you add material to the tables so that the page break change... which would be another reason to duplicate the footnote text, IMHO. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. > The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote > as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote > and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third > footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the > numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - > Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. > > Here's what my section of this page looks like: > > http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download > button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file download page" > just above it.) > What to do? > > Jim > > BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but > not attach it. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Footnote Out of Sequence
Sounds like good advice, Art, and thanks for that explanation on how FM handles footnotes. Appreciatively, Jim -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:40 AM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence Because these are _table_ footnotes instead of textual footnotes, the numbering should reset with each new table, as far as I know, because each table is a discrete entity. If you have to fake it out (which I wouldn't recommend, but which you may be able to get away with if you're not following a strict academic style guide), I'd just add a superscript number manually. This will cause you more problems if you add material to the tables so that the page break change... which would be another reason to duplicate the footnote text, IMHO. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. > The first and second are normal. The third references the same > footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an > identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a > cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote > should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My > fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. > > Here's what my section of this page looks like: > > http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big > download button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file download page" > just above it.) > What to do? > > Jim > > BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but > not attach it. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > il.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Footnote Out of Sequence
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >> I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. >> The first and second are normal. The third references the same footnote >> as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an identical footnote >> and call it 3, this is accomplished by a cross-reference to the third >> footnote. However, the next footnote should be footnote 3, and the >> numbering instead reverts to 1. My fiddling with Format - Document - >> Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. >> >> Here's what my section of this page looks like: >> >> http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big download >> button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file download page" >> just above it.) >> What to do? >> >> Jim >> >> BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file but >> not attach it. >> ___ Hi, Jim: If I understand your situation correctly, I believe multiple references to the same footnote should use the same reference number in the main text or table cell text. Using this model, your second reference to footnote 2 should also display 2, so you may want to change your approach and use the cross-reference technique to capture the number 2 from the second footnote, rather than faking an increment to 3. If a new footnote reference is inserted before footnote 1 or 2, they'll increment correctly; the cross-reference to multiple instances of 2 may require a cross-reference update action, but otherwise, as any cross-reference, these are self-maintaining. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Footnote Out of Sequence
Hi, Peter -- Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn about it and consider going that route. Regards, Jim -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:15 PM To: Art Campbell Cc: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >> I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. >> The first and second are normal. The third references the same >> footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an >> identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a >> cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote >> should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My >> fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, thus far, to no avail. >> >> Here's what my section of this page looks like: >> >> http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big >> download button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file download page" >> just above it.) >> What to do? >> >> Jim >> >> BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file >> but not attach it. >> ___ Hi, Jim: If I understand your situation correctly, I believe multiple references to the same footnote should use the same reference number in the main text or table cell text. Using this model, your second reference to footnote 2 should also display 2, so you may want to change your approach and use the cross-reference technique to capture the number 2 from the second footnote, rather than faking an increment to 3. If a new footnote reference is inserted before footnote 1 or 2, they'll increment correctly; the cross-reference to multiple instances of 2 may require a cross-reference update action, but otherwise, as any cross-reference, these are self-maintaining. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Footnote Out of Sequence
Hi, Jim: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Hi, Peter -- > > Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are > fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference > technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual > I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based > on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it > is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, > in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn > about it and consider going that route. Unless it's possible to fake the two tables as a single table, I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Footnote Out of Sequence
No problem, Peter. Thanks for thinking it over :) -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:33 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence Hi, Jim: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Hi, Peter -- > > Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three > are fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference > technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up > manual I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a > 1. Based on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected > because it is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the > final note, in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be > interested to learn about it and consider going that route. Unless it's possible to fake the two tables as a single table, I'm out of ideas. Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
Footnote Out of Sequence
Jim, I had an instance where I had to replicate a published report, and that report had Tables with footnotes as part of the regular footnote sequence. In FM this was not possible so I faked it as follows. I created a real footnote in the anchor paragraph for the table, and coloured the in-text footnote number white so it wouldn't show. Then I added a superscript number (same as the footnote number) in the table to make the reader think this was the real reference. ...Chris >From: "Pinkham, Jim" >To: ,"Art Campbell" >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: RE: Footnote Out of Sequence >Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:15:39 -0600 > >Hi, Peter -- > >Thanks for taking this on. The sequence is 1,2,2,1. The first three are >fine. The second 2 is indeed accomplished by the cross-reference >technique. The only thing I had expected, based on the marked-up manual >I'm revising, was that the final footnote would be a 3, not a 1. Based >on Art's comment, the 1 is apparently what should be expected because it >is a new table. If there's another way to get to 3 for the final note, >in addition to the approach Art suggested, I'd be interested to learn >about it and consider going that route. > >Regards, >Jim > >-Original Message- >From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhowpro at gmail.com] On Behalf Of >Peter Gold >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:15 PM >To: Art Campbell >Cc: Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: Footnote Out of Sequence > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pinkham, Jim >wrote: > >> I have a series of footnotes associated with tables on the same page. > >> The first and second are normal. The third references the same > >> footnote as the second. Because the precedent is not to add an > >> identical footnote and call it 3, this is accomplished by a > >> cross-reference to the third footnote. However, the next footnote > >> should be footnote 3, and the numbering instead reverts to 1. My > >> fiddling with Format - Document - Numbering and the footnote tab is, >thus far, to no avail. > >> > >> Here's what my section of this page looks like: > >> > >> http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=484457. (Beware the big > >> download button and look instead for the small "Proceed to file >download page" > >> just above it.) > >> What to do? > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> BTW, I'm also open to suggestions for a better way to share a file > >> but not attach it. > >> ___ > >Hi, Jim: > >If I understand your situation correctly, I believe multiple references >to the same footnote should use the same reference number in the main >text or table cell text. > >Using this model, your second reference to footnote 2 should also >display 2, so you may want to change your approach and use the >cross-reference technique to capture the number 2 from the second >footnote, rather than faking an increment to 3. > >If a new footnote reference is inserted before footnote 1 or 2, they'll >increment correctly; the cross-reference to multiple instances of 2 may >require a cross-reference update action, but otherwise, as any >cross-reference, these are self-maintaining. > >HTH > >Regards, > >Peter >__ >Peter Gold >KnowHow ProServices >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as cseal at sympatico.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Footnote Out of Sequence
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:55:18 +, "Christopher Seal" wrote: >I had an instance where I had to replicate a published report, and that >report had Tables with footnotes as part of the regular footnote sequence. >In FM this was not possible so I faked it as follows. I created a real >footnote in the anchor paragraph for the table, and coloured the in-text >footnote number white so it wouldn't show. Then I added a superscript number >(same as the footnote number) in the table to make the reader think this was >the real reference. Clever! The problem is that the number in the table won't link to the footnote, but people may overlook that. However, with one slight change you could make that work too. Instead of putting in a text superscript number in the table, use a cross-reference to the real footnote. A second potential issue is that white text may become visible under some conditions (like a non-white background), and can be found in searches. You can minimize the chance of that happening by hiding the anchor para behind the table. Use negative space below equal to the line height for the anchor para, and the same negative amount for space above the table. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
