FrameMaker and read-only files
Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error please remove it and inform us via telephone or email. Although we take all possible steps to ensure mail and attachments are free from malicious content, malware and viruses, we cannot accept any responsibility whatsoever for any changes to content outwith our administrative bounds. The views represented within this mail are solely the view of the author and do not reflect the views of the organisation as a whole. Graham Technology plc Registered in Scotland company no. SC143434 Registered Office India of Inchinnan, Renfrewshire, Scotland PA4 9LH http://www.grahamtechnology.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and read-only files
Gordon -- Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in FilePreferencesGeneral doesn't work in this situation? jan. jan e patterson sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error please remove it and inform us via telephone or email. Although we take all possible steps to ensure mail and attachments are free from malicious content, malware and viruses, we cannot accept any responsibility whatsoever for any changes to content outwith our administrative bounds. The views represented within this mail are solely the view of the author and do not reflect the views of the organisation as a whole. Graham Technology plc Registered in Scotland company no. SC143434 Registered Office India of Inchinnan, Renfrewshire, Scotland PA4 9LH http://www.grahamtechnology.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jan.patterson%40esph .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and read-only files
It probably wouldn't work because it's a tool designed to prevent multiple people editing when the file is on a server, not in a version management system. Most version management systems physically replace the file server with a database that checks files in and out to user's local systems. So the VMS file locking would trump whatever is built into FM because FM doesn't know or care that the external application has applied its own lock. It might work if the VMS restored the files to a server and the end users opened the file from there because both locking systems would be used -- the VMS controlling access from the database to the server, and FM from the server to the client workstations. Art On 1/22/07, Patterson, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon -- Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in FilePreferencesGeneral doesn't work in this situation? jan. jan e patterson sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and read-only files
FrameMaker's Network File Locking feature is very rudimentary. All it does is check for the presence of a lock file with the same name as the document but a secondary .lck extension in the same directory as the document. If it finds a .lck file it displays a dialog that tells you the file is locked; if there is no .lck file it opens the document without a message and creates a .lck file so that anyone else trying to open that file will see a locked message. Bust since a CM or VM system makes a working copy of a file on your local hard disk when you check it out, the .lck file mechanism would only work if the CMS is smart enough to create a .lck file on your local drive if and only if the file is locked in the repository. My opinions only; I don;t speak for Intel. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ From: Patterson, Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED],framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker and read-only files Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:21:28 -0500 Gordon -- Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in FilePreferencesGeneral doesn't work in this situation? jan. jan e patterson sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! _ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDayocid=T001MSN30A0701 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and read-only files
Hi Gordon... I've just uploaded a plugin to our website that checks the file system's read-only flag and notifies you if it's set. For more info .. http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/checkfilestatus.php This plugin is free. Enjoy! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Gordon McLean wrote: Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker and read-only files
Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error please remove it and inform us via telephone or email. Although we take all possible steps to ensure mail and attachments are free from malicious content, malware and viruses, we cannot accept any responsibility whatsoever for any changes to content outwith our administrative bounds. The views represented within this mail are solely the view of the author and do not reflect the views of the organisation as a whole. Graham Technology plc Registered in Scotland company no. SC143434 Registered Office India of Inchinnan, Renfrewshire, Scotland PA4 9LH http://www.grahamtechnology.com
FrameMaker and read-only files
I have found that in order to fully make use of the SVN tortoise features, I have to save my files as *.mif files and then store them in SVN. When I use them in Frame I convert them back. It's kind of clunky but it works. Thank you, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:55 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error please remove it and inform us via telephone or email. Although we take all possible steps to ensure mail and attachments are free from malicious content, malware and viruses, we cannot accept any responsibility whatsoever for any changes to content outwith our administrative bounds. The views represented within this mail are solely the view of the author and do not reflect the views of the organisation as a whole. Graham Technology plc Registered in Scotland company no. SC143434 Registered Office India of Inchinnan, Renfrewshire, Scotland PA4 9LH http://www.grahamtechnology.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker and read-only files
Gordon -- Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in File>Preferences>General doesn't work in this situation? jan. jan e patterson sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files Hello all, We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but very much in the 'annoyance' category! Thanks in advance, Gordon McLean Technical Author Graham Technology This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error please remove it and inform us via telephone or email. Although we take all possible steps to ensure mail and attachments are free from malicious content, malware and viruses, we cannot accept any responsibility whatsoever for any changes to content outwith our administrative bounds. The views represented within this mail are solely the view of the author and do not reflect the views of the organisation as a whole. Graham Technology plc Registered in Scotland company no. SC143434 Registered Office India of Inchinnan, Renfrewshire, Scotland PA4 9LH http://www.grahamtechnology.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jan.patterson at esph.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jan.patterson%40esph .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker and read-only files
It probably wouldn't work because it's a tool designed to prevent multiple people editing when the file is on a server, not in a version management system. Most version management systems physically replace the file server with a database that checks files in and out to user's local systems. So the VMS file locking would trump whatever is built into FM because FM doesn't know or care that the external application has applied its own lock. It might work if the VMS restored the files to a server and the end users opened the file from there because both locking systems would be used -- the VMS controlling access from the database to the server, and FM from the server to the client workstations. Art On 1/22/07, Patterson, Jan wrote: > Gordon -- > > Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in > File>Preferences>General doesn't work in this situation? > > jan. > jan e patterson > sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph.com at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Gordon McLean > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files > > Hello all, > > > > We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly > working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a > locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but > FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try > and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an > hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. > > > > What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to > 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal > locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being > edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. > > > > My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, > whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at > all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? > > > > Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper > but very much in the 'annoyance' category! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Gordon McLean > > > > Technical Author > > Graham Technology > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
FrameMaker and read-only files
FrameMaker's "Network File Locking" feature is very rudimentary. All it does is check for the presence of a "lock" file with the same name as the document but a secondary .lck extension in the same directory as the document. If it finds a .lck file it displays a dialog that tells you the file is locked; if there is no .lck file it opens the document without a message and creates a .lck file so that anyone else trying to open that file will see a "locked" message. Bust since a CM or VM system makes a working copy of a file on your local hard disk when you check it out, the .lck file mechanism would only work if the CMS is "smart" enough to create a .lck file on your local drive if and only if the file is locked in the repository. My opinions only; I don;t speak for Intel. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ >From: "Patterson, Jan" >To: "Gordon McLean" >, >Subject: RE: FrameMaker and read-only files >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:21:28 -0500 > >Gordon -- > >Are you saying the setting for Network File Locking in >File>Preferences>General doesn't work in this situation? > >jan. >jan e patterson >sr technical writer - environmental systems products - tucson, az > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+jan.patterson=esph.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >Behalf Of Gordon McLean >Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:55 AM >To: framers at frameusers.com >Subject: FrameMaker and read-only files > >Hello all, > > > >We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly >working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a >locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but >FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try >and save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an >hour or two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. > > > >What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to >'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal >locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being >edited by others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. > > > >My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, >whether a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at >all but a 'nuance' of Tortoise? > > > >Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper >but very much in the 'annoyance' category! _ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay=T001MSN30A0701
FrameMaker and read-only files
Hi Gordon... I've just uploaded a plugin to our website that checks the file system's read-only flag and notifies you if it's set. For more info .. http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/checkfilestatus.php This plugin is free. Enjoy! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Gordon McLean wrote: > Hello all, > > We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly > working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a > locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but > FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and > save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or > two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal. > > What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to > 'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal > locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by > others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files. > > My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether > a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a > 'nuance' of Tortoise? > > Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but > very much in the 'annoyance' category! > > Thanks in advance, > > Gordon McLean > > Technical Author > Graham Technology > > > > >
