Re: FrameMaker documentation

[Klaus Daube]

On 19 Dec 2014 at 9:50, Robert Lauriston wrote:

> The newly revised FM12 docs cover that under "Asian language support."

Thank You Robert,

It turns out that the 'official' (by FM directly addressed pdf/html) contain 
the 
following proviously separate documents:

- Chinese and Korean Features (as of FM-7) [
- Japanese Publishing with Adobe FameMaker 7.0 [9 pages]

It seems that the previously separate information is completely integrated now 
- on 
various places (¶-formats, index, find etc.). But I have to check that in 
detail to 
give feedback to Adobe.

At least the availability of additional Japanese date building blocks (e.g. 
<$daynumkanjikazu>) is not mentioned in the FM-12 user guide.

Have a nice day and also Merry Christmas
Klaus
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Re: FrameMaker documentation

[Robert Lauriston]

I believe the Asian-language doc for FrameMaker 7 was made obsolete by
support for Unicode added in FM8. It's online:

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/chinese_korean.pdf

The newly revised FM12 docs cover that under "Asian language support."

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:16 AM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> Can somebody please refresh my memory?
>
> In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
> «
> Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. 
> It's my
> impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
> Adobe.
>
> User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the 
> box only
> contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
> PC to
> the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
> chaper-
> page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for 
> FM-7 has
> 660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left 
> out. Some
> special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
> languages or
> customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
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Re: FrameMaker documentation

[David Spreadbury]

FM12 ships with the User Guide in a chm. Complete User Guide. At least my FM12 
did.Since then I have downloaded the PDF of the same version as well as the 
"new and updated (ya, right)" version. 

 On Friday, December 19, 2014 10:27 AM, Mike Wickham  
wrote:
   

 Klaus, I got manuals with 7.0 and 7.1. They appear to be identical 7.0 
manuals. I  did not buy 7.2, so don't know on that one. 8.0 definitely 
did not come with a manual, nor any of the versions since.

Mike Wickham

On 12/19/2014 3:16 AM, Klaus Daube wrote:
> Can somebody please refresh my memory?
>
> In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
> «
> Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. 
> It's my
> impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by 
> Adobe.
>
> User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the 
> box only
> contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
> PC to
> the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
> chaper-
> page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for 
> FM-7 has
> 660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left 
> out. Some
> special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian 
> languages or
> customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
> »
>
> What number I have to put in place of the ???
> Are my statements in error generally?
>
> Thanks
> Klaus Daube
>
>
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Re: FrameMaker documentation

[Mike Wickham]

Klaus, I got manuals with 7.0 and 7.1. They appear to be identical 7.0 
manuals. I  did not buy 7.2, so don't know on that one. 8.0 definitely 
did not come with a manual, nor any of the versions since.


Mike Wickham

On 12/19/2014 3:16 AM, Klaus Daube wrote:

Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my
impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only
contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
PC to
the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
chaper-
page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for FM-7 
has
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some
special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian languages 
or
customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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FrameMaker documentation

[Klaus Daube]

Can somebody please refresh my memory?

In http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker69.html I say:
«
Getting Started guides: At least since FM-8 these guides have disappeared. It's 
my 
impession that newcomers are not considered a relevant group of users by Adobe.

User Guides: Until FM ??? you got a thick manual. Starting with FM-??? the box 
only 
contains a DVD with the program and help files have been dislocated from your 
PC to 
the web. The manual from FrameTechnology for FM-5 was 5cm thick (due to the 
chaper-
page numbering the number of pages is difficult to get). Adobes manual for FM-7 
has 
660 pages. Obviously some information must have been streamlined - or left out. 
Some 
special information in separate online-manuals (e.g. concerning asian languages 
or 
customisation of FM) has not been put forwared to newer versions of FM.
»

What number I have to put in place of the ???
Are my statements in error generally?

Thanks
Klaus Daube


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Inside scoop on FrameMaker documentation development

[Mike Wickham]

I love a good prank, but I hate long-distance April Fool's jokes. They 
often have far-reaching consequences. A friend of mine is a curator at a 
public aquarium and a well-known author of books about fish-keeping. One 
of the aquarium hobby magazines had the stupid tradition of publishing 
an April Fool's article each year, and he took the assignment to write 
the one for that year. His article stated ridiculous things as fact, as 
expected.

My friend came to regret writing the article because he later found the 
various pieces of baloney he wrote being quoted in scientific articles, 
listing him as the source! This was even though he stated at the end of 
the article that it was all an April Fool's joke. Many of April Fool's 
articles in that magazine didn't even state that, and left the reader to 
figure it out. Many did not. People aren't always smart enough and they 
don't always read every word in an article.

In another incident, someone I know is a well-known collector of 
aquarium literature. He has a huge collection of books, magazines, 
manuscripts, including lots of rare and antique items. When there was a 
large flood in his region, someone posted an April Fool's joke that the 
guy's basement had flooded and destroyed nearly his entire collection. 
(He had no flood and was unaware of the post.) People from all over the 
world began sending condolences, offers of money, and offers to send 
extra copies of books they had to rebuild his collection. The poor guy 
got swamped with these offers and had no idea why. A lot of people 
wasted time and energy on the matter.

Just yesterday, I know of someone who was scheduled to travel to speak 
in front of a group next week. He posted a public note in their forum 
saying that something happened and he would not be able to speak after 
all. The group was in a panic and had already started scrambling to find 
a replacement speaker before the realization came that it was an April 
Fool's prank.

My advice is to never publish something in public print or online as an 
April Fool's joke. April Fool's jokes should be reserved for in-person 
situations, where you can let the victim know face-to-face that they've 
been fooled, and all have a good laugh about it.  When you post it out 
to the world, you have no idea who will see it, who will believe it, nor 
whether they will ever see the impending retraction.

Mike Wickham

On 4/1/2013 12:26 PM, John Garison wrote:
> http://bit.ly/10rnwnO
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Re: Inside scoop on FrameMaker documentation development

[Mike Wickham]

I love a good prank, but I hate long-distance April Fool's jokes. They 
often have far-reaching consequences. A friend of mine is a curator at a 
public aquarium and a well-known author of books about fish-keeping. One 
of the aquarium hobby magazines had the stupid tradition of publishing 
an April Fool's article each year, and he took the assignment to write 
the one for that year. His article stated ridiculous things as fact, as 
expected.


My friend came to regret writing the article because he later found the 
various pieces of baloney he wrote being quoted in scientific articles, 
listing him as the source! This was even though he stated at the end of 
the article that it was all an April Fool's joke. Many of April Fool's 
articles in that magazine didn't even state that, and left the reader to 
figure it out. Many did not. People aren't always smart enough and they 
don't always read every word in an article.


In another incident, someone I know is a well-known collector of 
aquarium literature. He has a huge collection of books, magazines, 
manuscripts, including lots of rare and antique items. When there was a 
large flood in his region, someone posted an April Fool's joke that the 
guy's basement had flooded and destroyed nearly his entire collection. 
(He had no flood and was unaware of the post.) People from all over the 
world began sending condolences, offers of money, and offers to send 
extra copies of books they had to rebuild his collection. The poor guy 
got swamped with these offers and had no idea why. A lot of people 
wasted time and energy on the matter.


Just yesterday, I know of someone who was scheduled to travel to speak 
in front of a group next week. He posted a public note in their forum 
saying that something happened and he would not be able to speak after 
all. The group was in a panic and had already started scrambling to find 
a replacement speaker before the realization came that it was an April 
Fool's prank.


My advice is to never publish something in public print or online as an 
April Fool's joke. April Fool's jokes should be reserved for in-person 
situations, where you can let the victim know face-to-face that they've 
been fooled, and all have a good laugh about it.  When you post it out 
to the world, you have no idea who will see it, who will believe it, nor 
whether they will ever see the impending retraction.


Mike Wickham

On 4/1/2013 12:26 PM, John Garison wrote:

http://bit.ly/10rnwnO




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Inside scoop on FrameMaker documentation development

[Gillian Flato]

This has got to be an April Fool's joke.

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