Re: InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

2008-09-26 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Peter, This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the power click brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page, where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it to overflowing, and then... * You can only type to the bottom of the first

InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

2008-09-26 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Peter, > This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the "power > click" brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page, > where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it > to overflowing, and then... > > * You can only type to the bottom of the

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where is the cursor for text? On the New Document dialog box, select Master Text Frame, then click OK. When

InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

2008-09-25 Thread Peter Gold
This is really a new topic. On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where is the cursor for text? and On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Paul

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-25 Thread quills
I'm sorry to report that after doing the procedure you listed below, I still couldn't enter text without drawing a text box within the margins. This is exactly why it isn't more than a page layout program. It fails to provide me with a default page that can be used to write upon without having

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, quills at airmail.net wrote: > Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where > I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where > is the cursor for text? On the New Document dialog box, select Master Text Frame, then click

InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)

2008-09-25 Thread Peter Gold
This is really a new topic. >> On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, quills at airmail.net wrote: > >> Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where >> I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where >> is the cursor for text? and > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-25 Thread qui...@airmail.net
I'm sorry to report that after doing the procedure you listed below, I still couldn't enter text without drawing a text box within the margins. This is exactly why it isn't more than a page layout program. It fails to provide me with a default page that can be used to write upon without having

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-24 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Sarah, Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with Mac

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Sarah O'Keefe
Hi framers, I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html Regards, Sarah -- Sarah O'Keefe

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread quills
Sarah, Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where is the cursor for text? It still feels like a page layout program, it still acts like a page layout program, it still wants you to obsess over page

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Sarah, Not sure how strong it will be, but ID CS4 certainly appears to offer the tools that will allow some unstructured FM users to make the switch. Incidentally, it looks like Apple may have finally switched to InDesign for its user guides, which until now have been made with Mac

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread quills
Sarah, As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to enter text, it's a no-go. Even Adobe compares it against Xpress, and NOT

RE: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread John Sgammato
: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4 Hi framers, I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html Regards, Sarah

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Peter Gold
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to enter text, it's a

Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog) ...UNTIL NOW..., as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers. ...BUT, IN A WORLD... where disclosure can now be thrown to the winds, I'll add a few comments. ID's been sneaking

Re: Re: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread quills
It's still not ready for prime time. At least not for technical documentation. It's still an Xpress style layout program for magazines and brochures, not long documents. The paradigm of it's tools and how you go about things are based upon the paste up board of a graphic designer. Don't tell me

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Sarah O'Keefe
Hi framers, I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4-hannibal.html Regards, Sarah -- Sarah O'Keefe

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread qui...@airmail.net
Sarah, Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where is the cursor for text? It still feels like a page layout program, it still acts like a page layout program, it still wants you to obsess over page

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread John Sgammato
at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:22 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4 Hi framers, I just posted about this on my blog and am interested in your thoughts: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2008/09/indesign-cs4

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread qui...@airmail.net
Sarah, As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to enter text, it's a no-go. Even Adobe compares it against Xpress, and NOT

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Peter Gold
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM, wrote: > Sarah, > > As a final thought, I'll add this. Any tool that won't automatically > add pages to the text flow when I come to the end of a page is an > automatic no-go. If I have to add text boxes to the page in order to > enter text, it's a no-go. Here's

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Sarah: (I also posted on your blog) "...UNTIL NOW...," as the late movie trailer guy might say, I've been under Adobe's non-disclosure agreement for ID CS4 pre-release testers. "...BUT, IN A WORLD..." where disclosure can now be thrown to the winds, I'll add a few comments. ID's been

FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4

2008-09-23 Thread qui...@airmail.net
It's still not ready for prime time. At least not for technical documentation. It's still an Xpress style layout program for magazines and brochures, not long documents. The paradigm of it's tools and how you go about things are based upon the paste up board of a graphic designer. Don't tell me