How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-20 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
"Joe Malin"  wrote on 07/19/2006 06:18:24 PM:
> My guess is that FM clears out the old
> information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
> that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
> that was there from before.

As I pointed out in my post to John, your guess is wrong. Nothing is 
stripped from a TOC file if it is renamed and included in a new book file. 
The TOC set-up is part of the book component properties.

When generating a file, Frame for each generated file:
1 - looks for a correctly named file.
2 - If not found, creates a new empty file based on the first 
non-generated file in the book. Will also a reference with the required 
definitions.
3 - If found, opens the file and strips out all paragraphs with formats 
with suffixes matching the generated file (*TOC, *IOM, *LOT, *LOF).
4 - Based on the list of paragraphs or elements in the book component, 
Frame then builds the generated file.

Note: Number 3 above makes for interesting observations. The new generated 
content is created in the same place as the deleted paragraphs. I'm not 
sure if it is the location of the first of the last deleted paragraph that 
determines the start point for the generated content, but you can have 
generated files with standard text at the beginning and end which frame 
will always leave alone when generating the file.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-20 Thread eric . dunn
"Joe Malin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/19/2006 06:18:24 PM:
> My guess is that FM clears out the old
> information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
> that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
> that was there from before.

As I pointed out in my post to John, your guess is wrong. Nothing is 
stripped from a TOC file if it is renamed and included in a new book file. 
The TOC set-up is part of the book component properties.

When generating a file, Frame for each generated file:
1 - looks for a correctly named file.
2 - If not found, creates a new empty file based on the first 
non-generated file in the book. Will also a reference with the required 
definitions.
3 - If found, opens the file and strips out all paragraphs with formats 
with suffixes matching the generated file (*TOC, *IOM, *LOT, *LOF).
4 - Based on the list of paragraphs or elements in the book component, 
Frame then builds the generated file.

Note: Number 3 above makes for interesting observations. The new generated 
content is created in the same place as the deleted paragraphs. I'm not 
sure if it is the location of the first of the last deleted paragraph that 
determines the start point for the generated content, but you can have 
generated files with standard text at the beginning and end which frame 
will always leave alone when generating the file.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Huntley Eshenroder
Joe,

We are converting a bunch of books from one template to another. We don't
want to manually specify the paragraphs formats that are included in the TOC
for each book by moving them around in the Set Up Table of Contents dialog.
This information is *not* pulled in by importing styles from a template. As
far as we've seen, Karen's method is the only one that works.

Sorta defeats the purpose of a TOC template.

-Huntley

On 7/19/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
>
> You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file had
> styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
> information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
> that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
> that was there from before.
>



Re: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Huntley Eshenroder

Joe,

We are converting a bunch of books from one template to another. We don't
want to manually specify the paragraphs formats that are included in the TOC
for each book by moving them around in the Set Up Table of Contents dialog.
This information is *not* pulled in by importing styles from a template. As
far as we've seen, Karen's method is the only one that works.

Sorta defeats the purpose of a TOC template.

-Huntley

On 7/19/06, Joe Malin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file had
styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
that was there from before.


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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Joe Malin
You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file had
styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
that was there from before. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:14 PM
To: Karen L. Zorn; 'List, Framers'
Subject: RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table
ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

Karen...no, it doesn't. 

1) I have a book, named Test, with three files:
   TestFile1
   TestFile2
   TestFile3

   No TOC yet

2) In the book, I select Add -> Table of Contents. I do 
   not move any styles, just click the Add button.

   It creates TestTOC.fm

3) I open an existing TOC, we'll call it mpls_install_guideTOC.fm
4) I save it as c:\temp\TestTOC.fm and say its OK to overwrite
5) Return back to test.book, select Edit -> Update Book
6) Click all option except Apply Master Page, the testTOC is in
generate, and click Update.
7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table of
Contents

No styleas are in the left side pane.

Why not?

--- "Karen L. Zorn"  wrote:

> If you have a previous TOC version that you like:
> 
> 1. Generate new TOC. Save the file and close.
> 2. Open old TOC. Save As new TOC file name.
> 3. Regenerate TOC.
> 
> Karen L. Zorn
> Zorn Technologies, Inc.
> Mesa, AZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf
> Of John Posada
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:45 PM
> To: List, Framers
> Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of 
> Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"
> 
> 
> Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..
> 
> OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their 
> styles imported from a template file or previous product file.
> 
> When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of 
> Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane 
> on the right.
> What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear on the left 
> pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move them over 
> individualy.
> 
> How can I do this?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

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actually known what the question is."
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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

2006-07-19 Thread Joe Malin
You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file had
styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
that was there from before. 


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of John Posada
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:14 PM
To: Karen L. Zorn; 'List, Framers'
Subject: RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table
ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

Karen...no, it doesn't. 

1) I have a book, named Test, with three files:
   TestFile1
   TestFile2
   TestFile3

   No TOC yet

2) In the book, I select Add -> Table of Contents. I do 
   not move any styles, just click the Add button.
 
   It creates TestTOC.fm

3) I open an existing TOC, we'll call it mpls_install_guideTOC.fm
4) I save it as c:\temp\TestTOC.fm and say its OK to overwrite
5) Return back to test.book, select Edit -> Update Book
6) Click all option except Apply Master Page, the testTOC is in
generate, and click Update.
7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table of
Contents

No styleas are in the left side pane.

Why not?

--- "Karen L. Zorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you have a previous TOC version that you like:
> 
> 1. Generate new TOC. Save the file and close.
> 2. Open old TOC. Save As new TOC file name.
> 3. Regenerate TOC.
> 
> Karen L. Zorn
> Zorn Technologies, Inc.
> Mesa, AZ
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf
> Of John Posada
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:45 PM
> To: List, Framers
> Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of 
> Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"
> 
> 
> Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..
> 
> OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their 
> styles imported from a template file or previous product file.
> 
> When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of 
> Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane 
> on the right.
> What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear on the left 
> pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move them over 
> individualy.
> 
> How can I do this?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never
actually known what the question is."
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