Re: InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)
Hi Peter, This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the power click brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page, where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it to overflowing, and then... * You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional typing is overset, as typographers call it, indicated by a red + in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal (not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow tool, aka Selection tool.) With InDesign CS2, my workaround for this is as follows: 1) Create a new doc with Master Text Frame selected. 2) Command-Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame on the first page. 3) Fill the first page with placeholder text, select it all, and copy. 4) Insert roughly how many pages you think you'll need (50, 100, 300, whatever). 5) Paste the placeholder text for as many pages as you inserted plus one. If you inserted 50 pages, paste 51 times. 6) With the Selection tool, click the red Overset icon on the first page. 7) Hold down the Shift key and click on the frame on page 2. The text frames on all of the pages will link together and fill with placeholder text, which can then be deleted ready for some real text. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)
Hi Peter, > This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the "power > click" brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page, > where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it > to overflowing, and then... > > * You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional > typing is "overset," as typographers call it, indicated by a red "+" > in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal > (not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow > tool, aka Selection tool.) With InDesign CS2, my workaround for this is as follows: 1) Create a new doc with Master Text Frame selected. 2) Command-Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame on the first page. 3) Fill the first page with placeholder text, select it all, and copy. 4) Insert roughly how many pages you think you'll need (50, 100, 300, whatever). 5) Paste the placeholder text for as many pages as you inserted plus one. If you inserted 50 pages, paste 51 times. 6) With the Selection tool, click the red Overset icon on the first page. 7) Hold down the Shift key and click on the frame on page 2. The text frames on all of the pages will link together and fill with placeholder text, which can then be deleted ready for some real text. Paul
InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)
This is really a new topic. On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where is the cursor for text? and On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Paul Findon [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: On the New Document dialog box, select Master Text Frame, then click OK. When the new document appears, select the Text tool, Command- Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame, and start typing. This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the power click brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page, where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it to overflowing, and then... * You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional typing is overset, as typographers call it, indicated by a red + in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal (not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow tool, aka Selection tool.) * In FM, it's called overflow, indicated by a horizontal black line at the bottom of the frame, if View Borders is enabled. Because FM documents typically are designed with auto-connect properties that cause filled main text frames (like Flow A) to create new text frames on new pages, it's uncommon to overflow main text flow frames unintentionally. Main text frames on disconnected FM pages, or those drawn on any body pages with the text frame tool, do overflow, rather than connecting automatically to new frames on new pages. You can connect disconnected text frames manually, using Format Customize Layout Connect Text Frames, to thread text flows across frames and pages. This is similar to the method of flowing stories across frames and pages in most layout programs. * In InDesign earlier than CS4, to add content across pages by typing, you'd need to manually add pages and connect (thread) the text frames manually. * You can work in the Story Editor window in all InDesign versions, instead of a layout window, and enter text without concern about getting stuck when a text frame becomes overset. The Story Editor indicates where overset begins, but it doesn't stop you from adding new content. * In CS4, there's a new feature, Auto Text Reflow, that makes ID work as you're expecting, based on your experience in FrameMaker, or other non-layout-centric DTP tools and word-processors. * ID and FM can do many of the same things, but they often work differently, as in this example. If you're giving ID a good workout and get stuck, these InDesign-specific resources will be helpful: * The Adobe User-to-User InDesign Macintosh and Windows forums (often the postings aren't platform-specific, so you need to read both to see all questions and answers), and the Lassosoft InDesign list. Adobe.com offers a lot of video tutorials and other resources on all the Adobe products. * Don't overlook the Help * Visit the third-party InDesign book descriptions at Amazon.com. Two very popular dedicated InDesign titles are Adobe InDesign CS3 Visual Quick Start, by Sandee Cohen, and Real World InDesign CS3, by Olav Kvern and David Blatner. * These ID-specific resources don't address FM-to-ID issues, so if you find that applying the FrameMaker side of your brain InDesign causes headaches, post your questions here. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
InDesign and FrameMaker Text Entry Comparison (WAS: FrameMaker vs. InDesign, round CS4)
This is really a new topic.
>> On 23 Sep 2008, at 21:05, quills at airmail.net wrote:
>
>> Every time I try the demo of InDesign I can't get past the part where
>> I make a page and look for where the text entry starts. As in, where
>> is the cursor for text?
and
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Paul Findon
> responded:
>
> On the New Document dialog box, select Master Text Frame, then click
> OK. When the new document appears, select the Text tool, Command-
> Shift-click (Ctrl+Shift+click) the frame, and start typing.
This is a good start, but, wait, there's more to it. While the "power
click" brings an InDesign master-page text frame to the body page,
where it works both like and differently from FM, you'll soon fill it
to overflowing, and then...
* You can only type to the bottom of the first text frame; additional
typing is "overset," as typographers call it, indicated by a red "+"
in the lower-right text-frame border, if the Screen Mode is Normal
(not Preview), and the text frame is selected (use the black arrow
tool, aka Selection tool.)
* In FM, it's called "overflow," indicated by a horizontal black line
at the bottom of the frame, if View > Borders is enabled. Because FM
documents typically are designed with auto-connect properties that
cause filled main text frames (like Flow A) to create new text frames
on new pages, it's uncommon to overflow main text flow frames
unintentionally. Main text frames on disconnected FM pages, or those
drawn on any body pages with the text frame tool, do overflow, rather
than connecting automatically to new frames on new pages. You can
connect disconnected text frames manually, using Format > Customize
Layout > Connect Text Frames, to thread text flows across frames and
pages. This is similar to the method of flowing stories across frames
and pages in most layout programs.
* In InDesign earlier than CS4, to add content across pages by typing,
you'd need to manually add pages and connect ("thread") the text
frames manually.
* You can work in the Story Editor window in all InDesign versions,
instead of a layout window, and enter text without concern about
getting stuck when a text frame becomes overset. The Story Editor
indicates where overset begins, but it doesn't stop you from adding
new content.
* In CS4, there's a new feature, Auto Text Reflow, that makes ID work
as you're expecting, based on your experience in FrameMaker, or other
non-layout-centric DTP tools and word-processors.
* ID and FM can do many of the same things, but they often work
differently, as in this example. If you're giving ID a good workout
and get stuck, these InDesign-specific resources will be helpful:
* The Adobe User-to-User InDesign Macintosh and Windows forums (often
the postings aren't platform-specific, so you need to read both to see
all questions and answers), and the Lassosoft InDesign list. Adobe.com
offers a lot of video tutorials and other resources on all the Adobe
products.
* Don't overlook the Help
* Visit the third-party InDesign book descriptions at Amazon.com. Two
very popular dedicated InDesign titles are "Adobe InDesign CS3 Visual
Quick Start," by Sandee Cohen, and "Real World InDesign CS3," by Olav
Kvern and David Blatner.
* These ID-specific resources don't address FM-to-ID issues, so if you
find that applying the FrameMaker side of your brain InDesign causes
headaches, post your questions here.
HTH
Regards,
Peter
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Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
