RE: Index markers not showing in generated index
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Pete Rourke wrote: Thanks Stuart, I've tried both with and without spaces. What is funny is that Index Marker = Items;$nopageViolation:Items The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary Violation, I just can't get the word Items as a secondary even if the Did you by chance source any of this document from Word? If so (and in general with squirrely marker behavior) it's often worth an export to MIF and an examination of the marker statements. In the past we've found odd, non-printing characters that should not be in the marker, and these can cause fits. Word is infamous for putting in leading and trailing hex 20 (or was it decimal 20 - can't remember) characters - invisible on screen and paper, but confusing for FM's marker parser. Give that a shot. Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Stuart, I've tried both with and without spaces. What is funny is that Index Marker = Items;$nopageViolation:Items The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary Violation, I just can't get the word Items as a secondary even if the Index Marker = Violation:Items (no carriage returns or spaces in the line. Thanks again Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Index markers not showing in generated index Pete Rourke wrote: I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when update and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of secondary items in the primary. I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for indexing. Suggestions? A couple of things to check: --remove the space between primary:secondary --make sure that the marker type is Index (sometimes that can get accidentally changed to another type, and you end up inserting a whole bunch of Subject markers that you thought were Index markers) --make sure there are no carriage returns in your marker text HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Frank, I did not use word, but did copy a line of text from a web site, which may have been contributory. I went through my index markers and cleaned out spaces, and removed an retyped some, which fixed my problem. Thanks for your response. I used to use FM on a Sun systems ages ago, and just resumed use recently. Thanks again. Cheers Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:58 AM To: Pete Rourke Cc: 'Stuart Rogers'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Pete Rourke wrote: Thanks Stuart, I've tried both with and without spaces. What is funny is that Index Marker = Items;$nopageViolation:Items The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary Violation, I just can't get the word Items as a secondary even if the Did you by chance source any of this document from Word? If so (and in general with squirrely marker behavior) it's often worth an export to MIF and an examination of the marker statements. In the past we've found odd, non-printing characters that should not be in the marker, and these can cause fits. Word is infamous for putting in leading and trailing hex 20 (or was it decimal 20 - can't remember) characters - invisible on screen and paper, but confusing for FM's marker parser. Give that a shot. Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Fred, The $nopage was a feeble attempt to see if that would help. It didn't and has since been removed. Once I discovered the space between primary:secondary being a problem, I sought out my troubled markers and retyped them. I wouldn't be at all so sure there were no carriage returns in the marker text box. So that problem has been solved with support from this group. Thanks very much Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index It has nothing to do with the problem you're describing, but I have to point out that conventional styling for book index entries only uses initial caps on proper nouns (despite the fact that all the example entries in the FrameMaker manual and online help use initial caps on main entries and no cap on subentries). This means your index marker would look like: items;$nopageviolation:items Also, I'm not sure I understand why you're suppressing the page number reference for the Items subentry under Violations. Conventionally, the $nopage switch is used when you want to insert an entry or subentry that directs the reader to a different term in the index, but to do this you have to include the literal text in the marker. If your intention is to redirect the reader from the Violation entry to the Items entry, your index marker would look something like: items; $nopageAlso see items As to your specific problem, are you sure you never pressed Enter (or Shift-Enter) when typing the entry? Paragraph marks or line feed marks in index entry markers are *death* (can actually cause FrameMaker crashes, at least in older versions). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:26:27 -0700 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Thanks Stuart, I've tried both with and without spaces. What is funny is that Index Marker = Items;$nopageViolation:Items The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary Violation, I just can't get the word Items as a secondary even if the Index Marker = Violation:Items (no carriage returns or spaces in the line. Thanks again Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Index markers not showing in generated index Pete Rourke wrote: I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when update and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of secondary items in the primary. I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for indexing. Suggestions? A couple of things to check: --remove the space between primary:secondary --make sure that the marker type is Index (sometimes that can get accidentally changed to another type, and you end up inserting a whole bunch of Subject markers that you thought were Index markers) --make sure there are no carriage returns in your marker text HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL
Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Frank, I did not use word, but did copy a line of text from a web site, which may have been contributory. I went through my index markers and cleaned out spaces, and removed an retyped some, which fixed my problem. Thanks for your response. I used to use FM on a Sun systems ages ago, and just resumed use recently. Thanks again. Cheers Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ -Original Message- From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:58 AM To: Pete Rourke Cc: 'Stuart Rogers'; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Pete Rourke wrote: > Thanks Stuart, > > I've tried both with and without spaces. > What is funny is that > Index Marker = Items;<$nopage>Violation:Items > The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. > > In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary > Violation, I just can't get the word "Items" as a secondary even if the Did you by chance source any of this document from Word? If so (and in general with squirrely marker behavior) it's often worth an export to MIF and an examination of the marker statements. In the past we've found odd, non-printing characters that should not be in the marker, and these can cause fits. Word is infamous for putting in leading and trailing hex 20 (or was it decimal 20 - can't remember) characters - invisible on screen and paper, but confusing for FM's marker parser. Give that a shot. Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) franks at fsatools.com <mailto:franks at fsatools.com> TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 USA FAX: 360-253-1498 http://www.fsatools.com
Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Fred, The <$nopage> was a feeble attempt to see if that would help. It didn't and has since been removed. Once I discovered the space between primary:secondary being a problem, I sought out my troubled markers and retyped them. I wouldn't be at all so sure there were no carriage returns in the marker text box. So that problem has been solved with support from this group. Thanks very much Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:31 AM To: pete at rourke.org Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index It has nothing to do with the problem you're describing, but I have to point out that conventional styling for book index entries only uses initial caps on proper nouns (despite the fact that all the example entries in the FrameMaker manual and online help use initial caps on main entries and no cap on subentries). This means your index marker would look like: items;<$nopage>violation:items Also, I'm not sure I understand why you're suppressing the page number reference for the Items subentry under Violations. Conventionally, the <$nopage> switch is used when you want to insert an entry or subentry that directs the reader to a different term in the index, but to do this you have to include the literal text in the marker. If your intention is to redirect the reader from the Violation entry to the Items entry, your index marker would look something like: items; <$nopage>Also see items As to your specific problem, are you sure you never pressed Enter (or Shift-Enter) when typing the entry? Paragraph marks or line feed marks in index entry markers are *death* (can actually cause FrameMaker crashes, at least in older versions). > From: pete at rourke.org > To: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com > Subject: RE: Index markers not showing in generated index > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:26:27 -0700 > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Thanks Stuart, > > I've tried both with and without spaces. > What is funny is that > Index Marker = Items;<$nopage>Violation:Items > The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. > > In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary > Violation, I just can't get the word "Items" as a secondary even if the > Index Marker = Violation:Items (no carriage returns or spaces in the line. > > Thanks again > > Pete > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:06 PM > To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Index markers not showing in generated index > > Pete Rourke wrote: > > I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker > > appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when > update > > and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of > > secondary items in the primary. > > > > I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for > > indexing. > > > > Suggestions? > > > A couple of things to check: > > --remove the space between primary:secondary > > --make sure that the marker type is Index (sometimes that can get > accidentally changed to another type, and you end up inserting a whole > bunch of Subject markers that you thought were Index markers) > > --make sure there are no carriage returns in your marker text > > HTH, > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as pete at rourke.org. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. <http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join>
Index markers not showing in generated index
I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when update and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of secondary items in the primary. I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for indexing. Suggestions? Pete ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Index markers not showing in generated index
Pete Rourke wrote: I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when update and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of secondary items in the primary. I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for indexing. Suggestions? A couple of things to check: --remove the space between primary:secondary --make sure that the marker type is Index (sometimes that can get accidentally changed to another type, and you end up inserting a whole bunch of Subject markers that you thought were Index markers) --make sure there are no carriage returns in your marker text HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Index markers not showing in generated index
Thanks Stuart, I've tried both with and without spaces. What is funny is that Index Marker = Items;<$nopage>Violation:Items The Items shows up in the Index, but the Violation:Items does not. In the Index, there are 15 secondary items that do work under the primary Violation, I just can't get the word "Items" as a secondary even if the Index Marker = Violation:Items (no carriage returns or spaces in the line. Thanks again Pete -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:06 PM To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Index markers not showing in generated index Pete Rourke wrote: > I have created an index marker for a primary: secondary, and the marker > appears on the page, and shows correctly in the marker box, but when update > and generate indexes is run the secondary does not show. There are lots of > secondary items in the primary. > > I'm a FM newbie FM8.0p266, and may have missed a fundamental principle for > indexing. > > Suggestions? A couple of things to check: --remove the space between primary:secondary --make sure that the marker type is Index (sometimes that can get accidentally changed to another type, and you end up inserting a whole bunch of Subject markers that you thought were Index markers) --make sure there are no carriage returns in your marker text HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as pete at rourke.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
