subject:"Keyboard Shortcuts"

I can't remember a Microsoft product release with similarly serious
bugs that still weren't fixed eight years or six major releases later.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
> (What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
> engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
> my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
> tag-method to tag bulleted text.
> I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
> the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
> tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
> But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
> bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but 
> I did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft 
> let this happen.
> The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
> because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
> wrote:
>
>  It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
> the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
> the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
> stops working. ///
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Ken Poshedly

So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
(What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
tag-method to tag bulleted text.
I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I 
did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let 
this happen.
The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:

 It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

The only commonality I've seen is FrameMaker from version 9 on up, which
was when the interface was redesigned.

I've seen numerous gripes since that time that the new coding had broken
some of the keyboard shortcuts, but it used to be restricted to just the
UNIX carryovers. Recently,I've actually had mine break on Ctrl+C, and that
since upgrading to FrameMaker 2015.

At this point, I don't even ask why. I just grumble about how FM used to be
the most stable program I'd ever used, and restart the program. I haven't
had to reboot to fix this. Yet.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Peter Gold <peter@petergold.photography>
wrote:

> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
>
> HTH.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.
> >
> > I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final
> processing.
> > I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
> > conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.
> >
> > And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
> > that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
> > gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
> > actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com <
> m...@techcommtools.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and
> Fm2017.
> > >
> > > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed
> > less
> > > than the previous.
> > >
> > > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16
> Gb
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> > > conditional text much more enjoyable.
> > >
> > > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5,
> > and
> > > 6), things just work better.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > Matt R. Sullivan
> > > Tech Comm Tools
> > >
> > > online courses <http://www.techcommtools.com/upcoming-courses/>  |
> you
> > > can book me <https://mattrsullivan.youcanbook.me/>
> > >
> > > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
> > >  <http://www.amazon.com/Publishing-Fundamentals-
> > > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> > > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> > > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com  m...@mattrsullivan.com>
> > >
> > >  <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan>  <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan
> > >@mattrsullivan
> > > <http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan><http://www.linkedin.com/in/
> > > mattrsullivan>  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan>LinkedIn <
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan><http://www.facebook.com/
> > > mattrsullivan>  <http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>Facebook <
> > > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> > > creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> > > >
> > > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> > > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches"

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Peter Gold

Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:

It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.

In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
substituting a different keyboard?

In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?

System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
tablet sensitivity settings?

HTH.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.
>
> I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final processing.
> I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
> conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.
>
> And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
> that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
> gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
> actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com 
> wrote:
>
> > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.
> >
> > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed
> less
> > than the previous.
> >
> > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb
> > memory.
> >
> > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> > conditional text much more enjoyable.
> >
> > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5,
> and
> > 6), things just work better.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > Matt R. Sullivan
> > Tech Comm Tools
> >
> > online courses   |  you
> > can book me 
> >
> > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
> >   > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com 
> >
> >     >@mattrsullivan
> >  > mattrsullivan>  LinkedIn <
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan> > mattrsullivan>  Facebook <
> > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> > creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> > >
> > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the
> conditional
> > text.
> > >
> > > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've
> > always assumed there is some issue with memory.
> > >
> > > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> > manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> > >
> > > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy
> > Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note
> > that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> > >
> > >
> > > Alison Craig
> > > Technical Documentation Specialist
> > > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> > >
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.

I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final processing.
I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.

And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com 
wrote:

> FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.
>
> And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed less
> than the previous.
>
> I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb
> memory.
>
> Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> conditional text much more enjoyable.
>
> Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, and
> 6), things just work better.
>
> -Matt
>
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses   |  you
> can book me 
>
> FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>   Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com 
>
>    
> @mattrsullivan
>  mattrsullivan>  LinkedIn <
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan> mattrsullivan>  Facebook <
> http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison 
> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> >
> > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional
> text.
> >
> > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've
> always assumed there is some issue with memory.
> >
> > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> >
> > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy
> Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note
> that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> >
> >
> > Alison Craig
> > Technical Documentation Specialist
> > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> >
>
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread techcommtools.com

FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.

And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed less than 
the previous.

I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb memory.

Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make conditional 
text much more enjoyable.

Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, and 6), 
things just work better. 

-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
Tech Comm Tools

online courses   |  you can 
book me 

FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
 

C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com  

   
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Facebook 

> On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before creating 
> the final condition settings for manuals.
> 
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours 
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
> 
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always 
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
> 
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different manuals 
> from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> 
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame 12 
> (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I almost 
> always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> 
> 
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> 

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Craig, Alison

Sometimes the Conditions don't show up correctly - bits of text have the wrong 
Condition showing or a segment or 2 stays in the Conditional colour.

I've learned to always:

- reboot before setting the final manual Conditions for each manual
- finalize with Conditional colours showing
- turn off Conditional colours and do a last check for "coloured text" before 
distilling
- page through the entire PDF watching for text still visible in the 
Conditional colour(s).

Alison

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:19 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Wait, what?

What sort of glitches with condition text? I ask because (as previously
seen) I am making heavy use of conditions to create manuals and have had
issues, but I thought it was MY fault.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Craig, Alison 
<acr...@bkultrasound.com><mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com%3e>
wrote:

> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
>
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
>
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
>
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
>
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame
> 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I
> almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
>
>
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>
>
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com><http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com%3e>
> 303-840-1744 (Mountain Time)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.
> c...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:c...@lists.frameusers.com>]
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
> keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
> instituting the new interface broke things.
>
> As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
> some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
> described by Ken.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 
> <rob...@lauriston.com<mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>
> ><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e%3e>
> wrote:
>
> > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> > <poshe...@bellsouth.net><mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e><
> mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e><mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e%3e>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > > keyboard
> > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> > must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> > happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> > you know what I
> > mean.)
> > >
> > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > > and
> > so forth. ...
> > ___
> >
>

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Wait, what?

What sort of glitches with condition text? I ask because (as previously
seen) I am making heavy use of conditions to create manuals and have had
issues, but I thought it was MY fault.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
wrote:

> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
>
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
>
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
>
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
>
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame
> 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I
> almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
>
>
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
>
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
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>
> Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
> keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
> instituting the new interface broke things.
>
> As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
> some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
> described by Ken.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com
> ><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e>
> wrote:
>
> > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net><
> mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > > keyboard
> > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> > must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> > happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> > you know what I
> > mean.)
> > >
> > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > > and
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

I reported that bug in 2009, the first time I used the weird UI
introduced in FM9.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Craig, Alison

I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before creating 
the final condition settings for manuals.

If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours 
beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.

This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always 
assumed there is some issue with memory.

Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different manuals 
from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.

I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame 12 
(or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I almost 
always reboot every evening before I leave the office).


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 
<rob...@lauriston.com><mailto:rob...@lauriston.com%3e>
wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> <poshe...@bellsouth.net><mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Tammy Van Boening

Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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<framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all 
> > keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks 
> must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it 
> happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, 
> you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM 
> > and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must
> be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened
> again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Craig Ede

Again, as someone who is forced to use FM8 daily (alongside  FM10,12,2015), I 
have to say that is not path you want to follow.

The problem does sound like some sort of memory leak thing within FrameMaker 
though, and they should fix that. You can bet they wont' go back and fix 
previous versions, so that's another argument against 'downgrading'.

Craig

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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Folks,
> At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
> done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again 
> this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)
>
> The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so 
> forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Fred Ridder

Umm, if something is completed earlier than originally scheduled, the 
completion date is moved *up*, (or moved forward, or advanced) not moved back. 
Moving back means delaying or postponing.


-FR


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Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Folks,
At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again this 
morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)

The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so forth.

Is there, praytell, an undocumented feature that toggles keyboard commands on 
and off?
I await ye answers.
FrameMaker 11.0Windows 7 ProfessionalOodles of space and memory.
-- Ken in AtlantaThe Land of the Fiery and Falling Interstates. (Hey! 
Duck!)(Thanks to wonders of fast-curing concrete, a 24/7 work schedule and 
really nice weather, the latest re-opening date was moved back from September 
to mid-June to May 26. Lots of well-deserved bonuses.)Oh, and the five pro-bono 
lawyers for the crackhead who started the fire is blaming the state DOT. We can 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Folks,
> At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
> done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again 
> this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)
>
> The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so 
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[Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

2017-05-02 Thread Ken Poshedly

Folks,
At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again this 
morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)

The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so forth.

Is there, praytell, an undocumented feature that toggles keyboard commands on 
and off?
I await ye answers.
FrameMaker 11.0Windows 7 ProfessionalOodles of space and memory.
-- Ken in AtlantaThe Land of the Fiery and Falling Interstates. (Hey! 
Duck!)(Thanks to wonders of fast-curing concrete, a 24/7 work schedule and 
really nice weather, the latest re-opening date was moved back from September 
to mid-June to May 26. Lots of well-deserved bonuses.)Oh, and the five pro-bono 
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Keyboard shortcuts -- Was: Re: making stuff unconditional in FM12

2014-03-31 Thread Linda Pelton

I'm going to disagree only with the keyboard shortcuts comment -- they 
sort of fixed it is the most generous comment I can make. If you were a 
dedicated keyboardist, the new keyboard shortcut is slower than -- 
well molasses in January. On first starting Frame you wait the first 
time on the blinking menu to first appear -- several seconds. On 
subsequent use of the keyboard shortcut, it's hit or miss. It appears 
that the longer your paragraph format list is, the slower it is because 
I don't have trouble with the Character catalog. And many times, in the 
paragraph formatting, Frame flat doesn't recognize the first letter of 
the format. It will stop on a totally different letter forcing you to 
mouse the selection as subsequent taps of the desired letter combination 
does not bring up the correct format desired.


For years I have carefully crafted my templates to take advantage of 
those keyboard shortcuts. The loss was devastating. During the time that 
they were missing entirely, someone on this list mentioned alternative 
keyboard shortcuts which I have forgotten as I always used F8 and F9 
with the alphabet letter. I'm wondering if that alternate route still 
works.


Regards,
Linda Pelton

On 3/30/2014 11:27 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:

Aw .. c'mon .. that's a bit harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a fan of the new (since FM9) UI either, but personally 
attacking the people behind the current product really isn't fair. The 
current team developing FrameMaker *is* very interested in customer 
feedback, and does listen. (And it's certainly not the programmers' 
faults .. they implement the features they are told to.)


The new UI is a significant change from the old standard, but can be 
tamed if you're willing to spend the time to learn how to make it do 
what you want. There are training videos and other info about setting 
up workspaces and other features, and with FM12, they have fixed most 
of the missing keyboard shortcuts (I believe). I totally agree that 
there are some frustrating aspects to it, but that's the new world of 
UI design. If you don't like it, stick with FM8. No one is forcing you 
to upgrade (although they do encourage it).


As for XML editors .. I think you'll find that XMetaL is considerably 
lacking when compared to FM. Especially if you're planning on 
generating PDFs .. you'll either need to take a step back on your 
formatting and layout, or you'll still need to use FM for PDF 
publishing. (But I am biased .. I'll admit that freely.)


Cheers,

...scott
On 3/29/14 4:08 PM, Zimmerman, Gary wrote:


**

I swear it's like the Adobe FrameMaker developers do absolutely NO 
usability testing, get absolutely NO feedback from existing 
customers, focus groups, or anything else before they foist on us a 
crappy, untested GUI that their offshore developers implemented in 
some kind of cultural vacuum.(Not offshore culture so much as 
programmer culture - before any programmers get offended, there are 
plenty of exceptional programmers who have a GREAT sense of usability 
and customer needs - apparently Adobe hasn't hired any for the FM 
team, nor any usability/human factors consultants.)


The programming underneath may be great (I doubt it, with the general 
fragility of the thing for many releases now), but the usability if 
off-the-charts bad.Like something designed by a bunch of college 
programmers who have no concept of building a usable product, but 
instead think more is better so they toss in everything figuring 
that they'll have something for everyone, and end up with such a hash 
salad that you spend more time jumping through GUI hoops than you do 
productive writing.(Remember what college kids did when word 
processors introduce lots of fun fonts to play with - the FM 9 and 10 
GUI is pretty much the GUI equivalent of ransom letter tech writing.)


I can remember when FM was unquestionably a better choice than Word 
for any serious documentation work.Now they're approaching parity.I 
don't know about FM8, but when we jumped from 7 to 9, it was all 
downhill after that.We're on 10 now, debating upgrading.We're also 
moving to a DITA CMS and Xmetal editor - much less powerful, but it 
does what it needs to do without being an obstacle to the writers.We 
didn't even consider using FM as our XML editor, though the 
transition might have been less of an issue for our writers who are 
used to FM.


Sorry to rant.I LIKE FM.I'm just so sorry they messed with the GUI 
and messed up so badly with 9 and onwards.They may fix it to be 
decent again incrementally, but like Windows 8, they should have 
scrapped the whole thing when they realized what a horrible blunder 
they made instead of turning a deaf ear and insisting everything was 
great for so long, when real users knew it wasn't so.Credibility 
gone.Maybe 11 is better, maybe 12 even better.Don't know if I'll ever 
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Keyboard shortcuts causing crash on FM appserver installation

2013-07-26 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

Not sure you'll get much help with this one as I'm pretty sure FM isn't 
supported on a W2K8 server...

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Subject: Keyboard shortcuts causing crash on FM appserver installation

Hi, all.

A new FrameMaker 11 installation on a Citrix application server crashes 
instantly when I press F8 or F9, as well as the alternate Ctrl+8/Ctrl+9 
shortcuts. It's the regular FrameMaker "serious problem" message, showing 
internal error codes 11024, 23327044, 26070837.

OS: Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard
FM: 11.0.2.384

Frame 9 on the same appserver never had a shortcut problem, and FM 11 on my 
Windows 7 laptop is fine.

Any clues?

Thanks,
Mike
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2013-07-23 Thread Mike Thorn

Hi, all.

A new FrameMaker 11 installation on a Citrix application server crashes
instantly when I press F8 or F9, as well as the alternate Ctrl+8/Ctrl+9
shortcuts. It's the regular FrameMaker serious problem message, showing
internal error codes 11024, 23327044, 26070837.

OS: Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard
FM: 11.0.2.384

Frame 9 on the same appserver never had a shortcut problem, and FM 11 on my
Windows 7 laptop is fine.

Any clues?

Thanks,
Mike
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Keyboard shortcuts causing crash on FM appserver installation

2013-07-22 Thread Mike Thorn

Hi, all.

A new FrameMaker 11 installation on a Citrix application server crashes
instantly when I press F8 or F9, as well as the alternate Ctrl+8/Ctrl+9
shortcuts. It's the regular FrameMaker "serious problem" message, showing
internal error codes 11024, 23327044, 26070837.

OS: Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard
FM: 11.0.2.384

Frame 9 on the same appserver never had a shortcut problem, and FM 11 on my
Windows 7 laptop is fine.

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Keyboard shortcuts - strange behaviour

2011-12-19 Thread Laura Fergusson

Hi all

I tend to use shortcuts a lot in Framemaker 8 on PC - but have noticed for a 
while that if my mouse is hovering over the toolbars, they don't work! Move the 
mouse to the main body of text, they work fine!

Anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Laura

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Keyboard shortcuts - strange behaviour

2011-12-19 Thread Laura Fergusson

Hi all

I tend to use shortcuts a lot in Framemaker 8 on PC - but have noticed for a 
while that if my mouse is hovering over the toolbars, they don't work! Move the 
mouse to the main body of text, they work fine!

Anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Laura

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[Codestuff + tagline for email]

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Breich Pit Studio
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RE: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

FYI - FM10 now has a sort of a limited repeat key built in to it.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years

I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for repeat Condition tags (as Esc jj repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison

Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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RE: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-12 Thread Lief Erickson

For anyone curious, the key is F6.

It will repeat your last activity. This includes:

 *   Typing text
 *   Pasting
 *   Deleting
 *   Applying a character format
 *   Applying a paragraph format
 *   Inserting a graphic object
 *   Inserting a table
 *   Setting Object Properties
 *   Setting text properties (i.e., Plain, Bold, Italic, Underline)
 *   Inserting a footnote
 *   Inserting an Anchored Frame
 *   Finding/Changing
 *   Applying a condition tag
-Lief




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Subject: RE: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FYI - FM10 now has a sort of a limited repeat key built in to it.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for repeat Condition tags (as Esc jj repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
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AW: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-12 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Alison,

You can copy all conditions applied to a selected text with Edit | Copy
Special |Conditional Text Settings. Then select the text to which you
want to apply the conditions and just paste the clipboard content with
CTRL + v. You can also paste this setting with Find/Change.

Best regards

Winfried

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Betreff: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for "repeat Condition tags" (as "Esc jj" repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com>

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Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth

FYI - FM10 now has a sort of a limited "repeat" key built in to it.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years

I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for "repeat Condition tags" (as "Esc jj" repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison

Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-12 Thread Lief Erickson

For anyone curious, the key is F6.

It will repeat your last activity. This includes:

 *   Typing text
 *   Pasting
 *   Deleting
 *   Applying a character format
 *   Applying a paragraph format
 *   Inserting a graphic object
 *   Inserting a table
 *   Setting Object Properties
 *   Setting text properties (i.e., Plain, Bold, Italic, Underline)
 *   Inserting a footnote
 *   Inserting an Anchored Frame
 *   Finding/Changing
 *   Applying a condition tag
-Lief




From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:01 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FYI - FM10 now has a sort of a limited "repeat" key built in to it.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for "repeat Condition tags" (as "Esc jj" repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-11 Thread Alison Craig

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for repeat Condition tags (as Esc jj repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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RE: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-11 Thread Flato, Gillian

Use the condition builder with the Boolean expressions to build your own custom 
condition. So It would be condition A AND condition B AND etc.

Thank you,


Gillian Flato
Senior Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for repeat Condition tags (as Esc jj repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

2011-07-11 Thread Alison Craig

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for "repeat Condition tags" (as "Esc jj" repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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2011-07-11 Thread Flato, Gillian

Use the condition builder with the Boolean expressions to build your own custom 
condition. So It would be condition A AND condition B AND etc.

Thank you,


Gillian Flato
Senior Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr.
Milpitas, CA. 95035
*408.545.6316
7  408.232.5911
* gflato at nanometrics.com<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com>

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional Text and Keyboard Shortcuts

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (new, PITA PC)
FM Experience: 2+years


I've looked in the Adobe FM PDF and can't find the keyboard shortcuts I'm 
looking for...

Is there a way to select multiple Condition tags and apply them in one step?

And after you've selected and applied the set of multiple Condition tags once, 
is there a keyboard shortcut for "repeat Condition tags" (as "Esc jj" repeats 
the application of the last Paragraph tag)?

I have had to add a new Condition to my books which requires me to 
conditionalize a lot of text (and table insets) that were not previously marked 
with any Conditions. Needless to say, having to apply the same five Conditions 
over and over is time consuming and beyond tedious.

Alison




Alison Craig
Lead Technical Writer

604-279-8550 x127 | fax 604-279-8559
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-07-01 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

I'm in the same boat. I used to use AutoIt for repetitive tasks, and 
these pods make things difficult.


However, if anyone is interested, AutoIt comes with a utility for 
displaying window info. It's called AutoIt Window Info. It comes with 
AutoIt, which is free. If anyone tries it, let me know if it helps.


Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 30-Jun-10 11:31 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:
I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some 
of you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior 
to the new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using keystrokes 
to navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made this easy by 
assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface leaves me 
frustrated and helpless. For example, in the Cross-reference Pod, I 
can find no way to navigate to the Paragraph Tag or Paragraph Number 
field so that I can select something from either list. The only fields 
that have Alt-code shortcuts are Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit 
Format, and Convert to Text.


Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there 
is a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not 
asking about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on this 
list.) I hate this loss in functionality by upgrading to a newer 
product.


Carol

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Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-07-01 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

I'm in the same boat. I used to use AutoIt for repetitive tasks, and 
these pods make things difficult.

However, if anyone is interested, AutoIt comes with a utility for 
displaying window info. It's called AutoIt Window Info. It comes with 
AutoIt, which is free. If anyone tries it, let me know if it helps.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 30-Jun-10 11:31 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:
> I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some 
> of you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior 
> to the new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using keystrokes 
> to navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made this easy by 
> assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface leaves me 
> frustrated and helpless. For example, in the Cross-reference Pod, I 
> can find no way to navigate to the Paragraph Tag or Paragraph Number 
> field so that I can select something from either list. The only fields 
> that have Alt-code shortcuts are Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit 
> Format, and Convert to Text.
>
> Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there 
> is a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not 
> asking about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on this 
> list.) I hate this loss in functionality by "upgrading" to a newer 
> product.
>
> Carol
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Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-06-30 Thread Carol J. Elkins

I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some 
of you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior 
to the new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using 
keystrokes to navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made 
this easy by assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface 
leaves me frustrated and helpless. For example, in the 
Cross-reference Pod, I can find no way to navigate to the Paragraph 
Tag or Paragraph Number field so that I can select something from 
either list. The only fields that have Alt-code shortcuts are 
Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit Format, and Convert to Text.


Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there 
is a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not 
asking about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on 
this list.) I hate this loss in functionality by upgrading to a 
newer product.


Carol

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Re: Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-06-30 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 30/06/2010 4:31 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:

I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some of
you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior to the
new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using keystrokes to
navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made this easy by
assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface leaves me frustrated
and helpless. For example, in the Cross-reference Pod, I can find no way
to navigate to the Paragraph Tag or Paragraph Number field so that I can
select something from either list. The only fields that have Alt-code
shortcuts are Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit Format, and Convert
to Text.

Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there is
a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not asking
about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on this list.) I
hate this loss in functionality by upgrading to a newer product.




Hi Carol,

In most (all?) dialog boxes, the Tab key will move sequentially from GUI 
object to object.  I just tried it in the xref pod and it works. 
However, your macro may be complicated by what the pod remembers from 
one use to the next -- not sure about that.


HTH,

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Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-06-30 Thread Carol J. Elkins

I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some 
of you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior 
to the new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using 
keystrokes to navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made 
this easy by assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface 
leaves me frustrated and helpless. For example, in the 
Cross-reference Pod, I can find no way to navigate to the Paragraph 
Tag or Paragraph Number field so that I can select something from 
either list. The only fields that have Alt-code shortcuts are 
Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit Format, and Convert to Text.

Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there 
is a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not 
asking about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on 
this list.) I hate this loss in functionality by "upgrading" to a 
newer product.

Carol

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Keyboard shortcuts to pod elements

2010-06-30 Thread Stuart Rogers

On 30/06/2010 4:31 PM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:
> I use a programmable keyboard to whiz through repetitive tasks (some of
> you may use a macro recorder to accomplish the same thing). Prior to the
> new Pod interface in Frame 9, I had no trouble using keystrokes to
> navigate to specific fields in a window. Frame made this easy by
> assigning Alt-code shortcuts. The new pod interface leaves me frustrated
> and helpless. For example, in the Cross-reference Pod, I can find no way
> to navigate to the Paragraph Tag or Paragraph Number field so that I can
> select something from either list. The only fields that have Alt-code
> shortcuts are Document, Go to Source, Format, Edit Format, and Convert
> to Text.
>
> Do any of you who routinely work deep in Frame's bowels know if there is
> a list of field-specific keyboard shortcuts? (Note that I am not asking
> about ESC-sequence shortcuts as were recently discussed on this list.) I
> hate this loss in functionality by "upgrading" to a newer product.
>


Hi Carol,

In most (all?) dialog boxes, the Tab key will move sequentially from GUI 
object to object.  I just tried it in the xref pod and it works. 
However, your macro may be complicated by what the pod remembers from 
one use to the next -- not sure about that.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

RE: Keyboard shortcuts?

2010-06-14 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Pat,

itl offers some very helpful FrameScript scripts. One of them
lists all commands with their shortcuts:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-fm-commands.html

This one lists all format overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Disclaimer: I was a beta-tester of the [i]-frame modules.

Best regards

Winfried

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Pat Christenson
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:37 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Keyboard shortcuts?

Hi all -

I've lost a lot of my old notes and I've been unable to find this
info on the Web. Maybe some of you will remember this.

- This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard
shortcut to hunt for paragraph character overrides. It
started with
Esc.

- There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a
list of all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for
plugins installed on your system.

I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and can help out.

Thanks in advance.

Pat Christenson
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Keyboard shortcuts?

2010-06-14 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Pat,

itl offers some very helpful FrameScript scripts. One of them
lists all commands with their shortcuts:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-fm-commands.html

This one lists all format overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Disclaimer: I was a beta-tester of the [i]-frame modules.

Best regards

Winfried 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Pat Christenson
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:37 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: Keyboard shortcuts?
> 
> Hi all -
> 
> I've lost a lot of my old notes and I've been unable to find this  
> info on the Web. Maybe some of you will remember this.
> 
> - This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard  
> shortcut to hunt for paragraph & character overrides. It 
> started with  
> Esc.
> 
> - There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a  
> list of all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for  
> plugins installed on your system.
> 
> I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and can help out.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Pat Christenson

Re: Keyboard shortcuts?

2010-06-12 Thread Mike Wickham

- This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard shortcut 
to hunt for paragraph  character overrides. It started with Esc.




Perhaps the CudSpan HuntOverrides plugin: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/ is
what you want.

- There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a  list of 
all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for  plugins 
installed on your system.


You're looking for the ListShortcuts plugin:
http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/listshortcuts.php
It does have this note, though: Note that the FM8 version of ListShortcuts
is still under development. If you need to install ListShortcuts on FM8,
please contact us for a manual installer package.


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Keyboard shortcuts?

2010-06-12 Thread Mike Wickham

> - This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard shortcut 
> to hunt for paragraph & character overrides. It started with Esc.
>

Perhaps the CudSpan HuntOverrides plugin: http://www.cudspan.net/plugins/ is
what you want.

> - There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a  list of 
> all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for  plugins 
> installed on your system.

You're looking for the ListShortcuts plugin:
http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/listshortcuts.php
It does have this note, though: "Note that the FM8 version of ListShortcuts
is still under development. If you need to install ListShortcuts on FM8,
please contact us for a manual installer package."

Keyboard shortcuts?

2010-06-11 Thread Pat Christenson


Hi all -

I've lost a lot of my old notes and I've been unable to find this  
info on the Web. Maybe some of you will remember this.


- This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard  
shortcut to hunt for paragraph  character overrides. It started with  
Esc.


- There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a  
list of all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for  
plugins installed on your system.


I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and can help out.

Thanks in advance.

Pat Christenson


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2010-06-11 Thread Pat Christenson

Hi all -

I've lost a lot of my old notes and I've been unable to find this  
info on the Web. Maybe some of you will remember this.

- This may have been part of a Frame plugin but it was a keyboard  
shortcut to hunt for paragraph & character overrides. It started with  
Esc.

- There was a utility or command that you would run to generate a  
list of all the FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts, including those for  
plugins installed on your system.

I hope someone knows what I'm talking about and can help out.

Thanks in advance.

Pat Christenson

Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-27 Thread Stuart Rogers

Avraham Makeler wrote:
 Hi David,
 Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.
 
 Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
 then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
 
 A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:
 
 I would say ctrl+f, ctrl+m would be the best way to do that. You
 need to separate the steps is the issue.
 Hope that helps!
 
 And I replied as follows:
 
 
 Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
 I wrote in my first draft!
 
 (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
 accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)
 
 The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
 then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.
 
 However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
 the only solution.
 
 The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
 two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
 correct.
 
 
 
 
 So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
 converging on the same solution,
 however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
 wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
 doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.
 
 I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).
 
 Thanks,
 
  - avi

I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing 
ambiguity.  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the 
parentheses keys?  Some users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP 
guidelines work perfectly well for your situation, and they are an 
industry standard.

You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or 
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys 
are pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work. 
  The computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, 
because it receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is 
*pressed*.  If a modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same 
time as a letter key is pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is 
irrelevant whether CTRL is released between operations, I think you do 
your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented conventions or 
instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT) 
and all caps for the letter keys (which is how the letters appear on the 
keyboard).  For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed 
by spaces.  So the MSTP instruction would be press CTRL+M, CTRL+F.

(Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming 
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that 
DOS and Windows weren't and aren't.)

As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to 
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in 
that SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-27 Thread Avraham Makeler

 You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
released between operations,
Yes, I know.


 I think you do your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented
conventions or instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

Ok, that's a point.


 MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
and all caps for the letter keys

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.


 (which is how the letters appear on the keyboard).

Actually - they do *not*. Which is why I made the mistake of writing them
the way I did.
But, again, thanks for pointing out that according to MS they should be
CAPS.


 For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by spaces.  So
the MSTP instruction would be press CTRL+M, CTRL+F.

Ok, so that seems to be the bottom line. That's the way I wrote it
originally. Not that I though that it looked great, but just there seemed no
other alternative I could find in the rule book.

And so it's left as self-understood that you don't have to take your finger
off the CTRL key in between.


 (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that DOS
and Windows weren't and aren't.)

 As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in that
SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

No, I have no problem with that - it's just that I also didn't like what I
wrote.


Thanks,

  - avi




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Stuart Rogers 
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:

 Avraham Makeler wrote:

 Hi David,
 Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

  Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and

 then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

 A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say ctrl+f, ctrl+m would be the best way to do that. You
 need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

 And I replied as follows:
 

 Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly
 what
 I wrote in my first draft!

 (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
 accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

 The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f
 you
 then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

 However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
 the only solution.

 The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
 two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
 correct.


 

 So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
 converging on the same solution,
 however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives
 the
 wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
 doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

 I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

 Thanks,

  - avi


 I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing ambiguity.
  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the parentheses keys?  Some
 users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP guidelines work perfectly well
 for your situation, and they are an industry standard.

 You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
 released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
 pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
 computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
 receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
 modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
 pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
 released between operations, I think you do your readers a disservice to
 encumber them with invented conventions or instructions about what they
 *don't* have to do.

 MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
 and all caps for the letter keys (which is how the letters appear on the
 keyboard).  For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by
 spaces.  So the MSTP instruction would be press CTRL+M, CTRL+F.

 (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
 from its compatibility with UNIX, which

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-27 Thread Stuart Rogers

Avraham Makeler wrote:
> Hi David,
> Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.
> 
>>> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
> then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
> 
> A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:
> 
> I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You
> need to separate the steps is the issue.
> Hope that helps!
> 
> And I replied as follows:
> 
> 
> Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
> I wrote in my first draft!
> 
> (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
> accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)
> 
> The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
> then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.
> 
> However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
> the only solution.
> 
> The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
> two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
> correct.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
> converging on the same solution,
> however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
> wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
> doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.
> 
> I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  - avi

I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing 
ambiguity.  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the 
parentheses keys?  Some users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP 
guidelines work perfectly well for your situation, and they are an 
industry standard.

You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or 
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys 
are pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work. 
  The computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, 
because it receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is 
*pressed*.  If a modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same 
time as a letter key is pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is 
irrelevant whether CTRL is released between operations, I think you do 
your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented conventions or 
instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT) 
and all caps for the letter keys (which is how the letters appear on the 
keyboard).  For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed 
by spaces.  So the MSTP instruction would be "press CTRL+M, CTRL+F."

(Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming 
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that 
DOS and Windows weren't and aren't.)

As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to 
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in 
that SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product."

-- Eleanor Roosevelt

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-27 Thread Avraham Makeler

>> You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
released between operations,
Yes, I know.


>> I think you do your readers a disservice to encumber them with invented
conventions or instructions about what they *don't* have to do.

Ok, that's a point.


>> MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
and all caps for the letter keys

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.


>> (which is how the letters appear on the keyboard).

Actually - they do *not*. Which is why I made the mistake of writing them
the way I did.
But, again, thanks for pointing out that according to MS they should be
CAPS.


>> For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by spaces.  So
the MSTP instruction would be "press CTRL+M, CTRL+F."

Ok, so that seems to be the bottom line. That's the way I wrote it
originally. Not that I though that it looked great, but just there seemed no
other alternative I could find in the rule book.

And so it's left as self-understood that you don't have to take your finger
off the CTRL key in between.


>> (Adobe has a different standard that uses mixed case, probably stemming
from its compatibility with UNIX, which is case-sensitive in ways that DOS
and Windows weren't and aren't.)

>> As for the SME, I assume that writing documentation according to
standards is not the SM in which they are E; *you* would be the E in that
SM, and entitled to stand your ground!  ;-)

No, I have no problem with that - it's just that I also didn't like what I
wrote.


Thanks,

  - avi




On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Stuart Rogers <
srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com> wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>> Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.
>>
>>  Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and

>>> then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
>>
>> A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:
>>
>>I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You
>> need to separate the steps is the issue.
>>Hope that helps!
>>
>> And I replied as follows:
>> 
>>
>> Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly
>> what
>> I wrote in my first draft!
>>
>> (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
>> accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)
>>
>> The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f
>> you
>> then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.
>>
>> However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
>> the only solution.
>>
>> The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
>> two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
>> correct.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
>> converging on the same solution,
>> however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives
>> the
>> wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
>> doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.
>>
>> I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>  - avi
>>
>
> I think you are re-inventing the wheel, as well as introducing ambiguity.
>  (Is the user supposed to press the comma key? the parentheses keys?  Some
> users are very literal.)  Microsoft's MSTP guidelines work perfectly well
> for your situation, and they are an industry standard.
>
> You have said that it is irrelevant whether the CTRL key is held or
> released between operations, as long as it is held when the M and F keys are
> pressed.  Of course this is so; that's how computer keyboards work.  The
> computer pays no attention to whether a modifier key is released, because it
> receives the code from the keyboard at the moment a key is *pressed*.  If a
> modifier key (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT) is held at the same time as a letter key is
> pressed, a different code is sent.  Since it is irrelevant whether CTRL is
> released between operations, I think you do your readers a disservice to
> encumber them with invented conventions or instructions about what they
> *don't* have to do.
>
> MSTP is consistent in using all caps for the modifier keys (CTRL, SHIFT)
> and all caps for the letter keys (which is how the letters appear on the
> keyboard).  For key sequences, the guideline is to use commas followed by
> spaces.  So the MSTP

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi
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RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Avraham,

Two questions:

Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
(+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
sequences.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi
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Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?Yes

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
No

Thanks,

avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Avraham,

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
 hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

 The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
 (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

 It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
 sequences.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


 I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
 particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
 is
 the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
 and
 complex keyboard shortcuts.

 So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
 issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
 I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
 technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

 I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
 whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

 The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
 pressed,
 then press the F key.

 And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
 negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

 But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
 I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
 after the 'Ctrl'.
 But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
 ---

 Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
 Ctrl key, and then press the F key

 ---

 And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
 keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
 bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
  issues here.

 Thanks all,

 - avi
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RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Avraham,

 

I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many such
shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
example:

 

Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences

Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a

 

So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:

 

Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and then
press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

 

I, personally, don't like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
how it is worded.

 

From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
To: David Spreadbury
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Yes

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

No

 

Thanks,

 

avi

 

 

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Avraham,

Two questions:

Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
(+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
sequences.


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

  RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

   Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi

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Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi David,
Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

 Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say ctrl+f, ctrl+m would be the best way to do that. You
need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

And I replied as follows:


Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
I wrote in my first draft!

(And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
the only solution.

The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
correct.




So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
converging on the same solution,
however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

Thanks,

 - avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.comwrote:

  Avraham,



 I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many
 such shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
 example:



 *Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences*

 Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
 releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a



 So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:



 Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
 then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).



 I, personally, don’t like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
 how it is worded.



 *From:* Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
 *To:* David Spreadbury
 *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts



  Two questions:

  Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Yes

  Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 No



 Thanks,



 avi





 On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 Avraham,

 Two questions:

 Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

 Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

 If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; Press and
 hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F).

 The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
 (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

 It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
 sequences.


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
 Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

 Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


 I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
 particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
 is
 the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
 and
 complex keyboard shortcuts.

 So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
 issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
 I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
 technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

 I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
 whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

 The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
 pressed,
 then press the F key.

 And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
 negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

 But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
 I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
 after the 'Ctrl'.
 But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
 ---

 Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
 Ctrl key, and then press the F key

 ---

 And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
 keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
 bugs. But since this is an FM

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi

The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Avraham,

Two questions:

Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."

The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
(+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
sequences.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts


I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi
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>> Two questions:

>> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?Yes

>> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
No

Thanks,

avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Avraham,
>
> Two questions:
>
> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
> hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."
>
> The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
> (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).
>
> It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
> sequences.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
> Hi all,
>
>   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
> I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
> particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
> is
> the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
> and
> complex keyboard shortcuts.
>
> So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
> issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
> I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
> technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.
>
> I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
> whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:
>
>Ctrl M+F
>
> The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
> pressed,
> then press the F key.
>
> And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
> negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)
>
> But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
> I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
> after the 'Ctrl'.
> But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
> ---
>
> Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
> Ctrl key, and then press the F key
>
> ---
>
> And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
> keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
> bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
>  issues here.
>
> Thanks all,
>
> - avi
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The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Avraham,

I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many such
shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
example:

Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences

Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a

So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:

Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and then
press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

I, personally, don't like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
how it is worded.

From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
To: David Spreadbury
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

>> Two questions:

>> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Yes

>> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

No

Thanks,

avi

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury 
wrote:

Avraham,

Two questions:

Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?

Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?

If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."

The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
(+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).

It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
sequences.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi all,

  RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there is
the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long and
complex keyboard shortcuts.

So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.

I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:

   Ctrl M+F

The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still pressed,
then press the F key.

And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)

But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this?
I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed.
after the 'Ctrl'.
But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once.
---

Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the
Ctrl key, and then press the F key

---

And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing
keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of
bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the
 issues here.

Thanks all,

- avi

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The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts

Hi David,
Thanks for the effort you're putting into this.

>> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).

A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist:

I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You
need to separate the steps is the issue.
Hope that helps!

And I replied as follows:


Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what
I wrote in my first draft!

(And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all
accordingly to Ctrl M+F.)

The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you
then have to first release the Ctrl key and only  then do Ctrl+M.

However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems
the only solution.

The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or
two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be
correct.




So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all
converging on the same solution,
however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the
wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after
doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to.

I would want to define a new standard, like this:  Ctrl+(M,F).

Thanks,

 - avi



On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:

>  Avraham,
>
>
>
> I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many
> such shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this
> example:
>
>
>
> *Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences*
>
> Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then
> releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a
>
>
>
> So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology:
>
>
>
> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and
> then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
>
>
>
> I, personally, don?t like the wording in the Adobe description but that is
> how it is worded.
>
>
>
> *From:* Avraham Makeler [mailto:amakeler at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM
> *To:* David Spreadbury
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
>
> >> Two questions:
>
> >> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Yes
>
> >> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> No
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> avi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury 
> wrote:
>
> Avraham,
>
> Two questions:
>
> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results?
>
> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results?
>
> If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and
> hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)."
>
> The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus
> (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?).
>
> It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between
> sequences.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
> Hi all,
>
>   RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts
>
>
> I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no
> particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there
> is
> the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long
> and
> complex keyboard shortcuts.
>
> So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough
> issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason
> I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced
> technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer.
>
> I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms',
> whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*:
>
>Ctrl M+F
>
> The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still
> pressed,
> then press the F key.
>
> And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation.  (Not of
> negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.)
>
> But is 'Ctrl M+F' the corre

RE: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-04-01 Thread Reng, Winfried

Hi,

 One plus about FM9 -- the User Guide actually has a long chapter 
 devoted to keyboard shortcuts for navigation, menu choices, equation 
 editor, and so on.  Such documentation was woefully lacking 
 in previous 
 versions.

At least the comment regarding missing documentation
in previous versions is not true. In the FrameMaker 8
online help shortcuts are described at the very end in
Appendix B: Keyboard Shortcuts.

Best regards

Winfried
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[Fwd: RE: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)]

2009-04-01 Thread Stuart Rogers

FYI -- good news.

Stuart

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:23:00 -0700
From: RJ Jacquez rjacq...@adobe.com

Hi Stuart, I'm looking into useful keyboard shortcuts and will report 
back asap.

BTW, I'm a huge keyboard shortcut kind of fm user since I've been using 
the product for a long time now, way before it became an Adobe product, 
and I can share with you that I'm liking the new UI a lot, mostly 
because of the new workspaces, which enable me to quickly save pods 
where I need them and then save these into various workspaces, which I 
can switch between them depending on what I'm doing.

What I like to see if the ability to assign keyboard shortcuts to each 
workspace so that I can switch between them quickly.  I have already 
submitted this request internally.

I'm also a big fan of Alt+ keyboard shortcuts, so when I need to put 
the focus on the Align Pod for example, I still use my old Alt+G+A and 
then select the proper alignment from the Pod by using my arrow keys, 
for example.  Another good one for Anchored Frames is Alt+S+A.  Once 
there, I can use my Tab key and arrow keys, etc.

I'll keep you posted about more Pod-related keyboard shortcuts.

Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez
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Re: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

At the very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation.

I found some commands in wincmds.cfg:

 (Toggle) Between open document tabs?

Ctrl-F6 (ShowNextKit) and Shift-Ctrl-F6 (ShowPrevKit)
There is still some bugginess, though. The commands worked always in with 
.FM files. Ctrl-F6 would cycle through the .FM files, then jump back to the 
first and cycle again. Shift-Ctrl-F6 did the same in reverse.

Book files, pods, and panels seem to want to work the same way, but as a 
conglomerate that is separate from the .FM files. That is, if one of them is 
the focus, Ctrl-F6 can cycle between them all, but skips the .FM files. This 
is where I found bugginess. The command would not jump to the Variables and 
locked up. This may be related to the bug that keeps one from using the 
Commands button in the Designer panels until the panel is first closed and 
reopened, or switched to another designer panel page. I noticed that closing 
and reopening the Variables pod made Ctrl-F6 work for it, too. When the 
command cycles to the Paragraph Designer, there is no flashing cursor to let 
you know.

 Between pages of the Designer dialogs?

I noticed that the tab key does that, but it includes all the fields in the 
currently displayed designer page as part of the cycle. So, depending on 
whether one of the panel page icons is active or a field in the dialogue, it 
may take quite a few tabs to move to a different designer panel page.

 (That new feature that toggles UI visibility is absolutely terrific!!  I
 would use it dozens of times a day!  ...but not if I have to use the
 wretched mouse.)

Esc S M s for standard screen mode.
Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.
Esc S M f for full screen.
Esc S M t to toggle screen mode.

Also these:

   Esc T S A (ToolBarShowAll)
   Esc T H A (ToolBarHideAll)

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Re: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-04-01 Thread Peter Gold

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:
At the very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation.

 I found some commands in wincmds.cfg:

 (Toggle) Between open document tabs?

 Ctrl-F6 (ShowNextKit) and Shift-Ctrl-F6 (ShowPrevKit)
 There is still some bugginess, though. The commands worked always in with
 .FM files. Ctrl-F6 would cycle through the .FM files, then jump back to the
 first and cycle again. Shift-Ctrl-F6 did the same in reverse.

 Book files, pods, and panels seem to want to work the same way, but as a
 conglomerate that is separate from the .FM files. That is, if one of them is
 the focus, Ctrl-F6 can cycle between them all, but skips the .FM files. This
 is where I found bugginess. The command would not jump to the Variables and
 locked up. This may be related to the bug that keeps one from using the
 Commands button in the Designer panels until the panel is first closed and
 reopened, or switched to another designer panel page. I noticed that closing
 and reopening the Variables pod made Ctrl-F6 work for it, too. When the
 command cycles to the Paragraph Designer, there is no flashing cursor to let
 you know.

 Between pages of the Designer dialogs?

I'm on my Mac now, so I can't check this out, but in FM 8 and earlier,
PgUp/PgDn would cycle through Paragraph, Character, and (I think)
Table designer property pages.

HTH


Regards,

Peter
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Re: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

 I'm on my Mac now, so I can't check this out, but in FM 8 and earlier,
 PgUp/PgDn would cycle through Paragraph, Character, and (I think)
 Table designer property pages.

I just checked and PgUp/PgDn does the same in FM9. However, the highlight 
isn't changing to icon for the new property page.

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[Fwd: RE: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)]

2009-04-01 Thread Stuart Rogers

FYI -- good news.

Stuart

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:23:00 -0700
From: RJ Jacquez <rjacq...@adobe.com>

Hi Stuart, I'm looking into useful keyboard shortcuts and will report 
back asap.

BTW, I'm a huge keyboard shortcut kind of fm user since I've been using 
the product for a long time now, way before it became an Adobe product, 
and I can share with you that I'm liking the new UI a lot, mostly 
because of the new workspaces, which enable me to quickly save pods 
where I need them and then save these into various workspaces, which I 
can switch between them depending on what I'm doing.

What I like to see if the ability to assign keyboard shortcuts to each 
workspace so that I can switch between them quickly.  I have already 
submitted this request internally.

I'm also a big fan of "Alt+" keyboard shortcuts, so when I need to put 
the focus on the Align Pod for example, I still use my old Alt+G+A and 
then select the proper alignment from the Pod by using my arrow keys, 
for example.  Another good one for Anchored Frames is Alt+S+A.  Once 
there, I can use my Tab key and arrow keys, etc.

I'll keep you posted about more Pod-related keyboard shortcuts.

Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez

FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

>At the very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation.

I found some commands in wincmds.cfg:

> (Toggle) Between open document tabs?

Ctrl-F6 (ShowNextKit) and Shift-Ctrl-F6 (ShowPrevKit)
There is still some bugginess, though. The commands worked always in with 
.FM files. Ctrl-F6 would cycle through the .FM files, then jump back to the 
first and cycle again. Shift-Ctrl-F6 did the same in reverse.

Book files, pods, and panels seem to want to work the same way, but as a 
conglomerate that is separate from the .FM files. That is, if one of them is 
the focus, Ctrl-F6 can cycle between them all, but skips the .FM files. This 
is where I found bugginess. The command would not jump to the Variables and 
locked up. This may be related to the bug that keeps one from using the 
Commands button in the Designer panels until the panel is first closed and 
reopened, or switched to another designer panel page. I noticed that closing 
and reopening the Variables pod made Ctrl-F6 work for it, too. When the 
command cycles to the Paragraph Designer, there is no flashing cursor to let 
you know.

> Between pages of the Designer dialogs?

I noticed that the tab key does that, but it includes all the fields in the 
currently displayed designer page as part of the cycle. So, depending on 
whether one of the panel page icons is active or a field in the dialogue, it 
may take quite a few tabs to move to a different designer panel page.

> (That new feature that toggles UI visibility is absolutely terrific!!  I
> would use it dozens of times a day!  ...but not if I have to use the
> wretched mouse.)

Esc S M s for standard screen mode.
Esc S M u for full screen with user interface.
Esc S M f for full screen.
Esc S M t to toggle screen mode.

Also these:

   Esc T S A (ToolBarShowAll)
   Esc T H A (ToolBarHideAll)

Mike Wickham

FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-04-01 Thread Peter Gold

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>>At the very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation.
>
> I found some commands in wincmds.cfg:
>
>> (Toggle) Between open document tabs?
>
> Ctrl-F6 (ShowNextKit) and Shift-Ctrl-F6 (ShowPrevKit)
> There is still some bugginess, though. The commands worked always in with
> .FM files. Ctrl-F6 would cycle through the .FM files, then jump back to the
> first and cycle again. Shift-Ctrl-F6 did the same in reverse.
>
> Book files, pods, and panels seem to want to work the same way, but as a
> conglomerate that is separate from the .FM files. That is, if one of them is
> the focus, Ctrl-F6 can cycle between them all, but skips the .FM files. This
> is where I found bugginess. The command would not jump to the Variables and
> locked up. This may be related to the bug that keeps one from using the
> Commands button in the Designer panels until the panel is first closed and
> reopened, or switched to another designer panel page. I noticed that closing
> and reopening the Variables pod made Ctrl-F6 work for it, too. When the
> command cycles to the Paragraph Designer, there is no flashing cursor to let
> you know.
>
>> Between pages of the Designer dialogs?

I'm on my Mac now, so I can't check this out, but in FM 8 and earlier,
PgUp/PgDn would cycle through Paragraph, Character, and (I think)
Table designer property pages.

HTH


Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

> I'm on my Mac now, so I can't check this out, but in FM 8 and earlier,
> PgUp/PgDn would cycle through Paragraph, Character, and (I think)
> Table designer property pages.

I just checked and PgUp/PgDn does the same in FM9. However, the highlight 
isn't changing to icon for the new property page.

Mike Wickham

FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-04-01 Thread Reng, Winfried

Hi,

> One "plus" about FM9 -- the User Guide actually has a long chapter 
> devoted to keyboard shortcuts for navigation, menu choices, equation 
> editor, and so on.  Such documentation was woefully lacking 
> in previous 
> versions.

At least the comment regarding missing documentation
in previous versions is not true. In the FrameMaker 8
online help shortcuts are described at the very end in
Appendix B: Keyboard Shortcuts.

Best regards

Winfried

FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-03-31 Thread Stuart Rogers

Diane Gaskill wrote:

My book files are never buried behind any chapters. I keep my FM area 
organized so that this does not happen.  A litle extra work at the 
beginning but it saves time later.




My book files are never buried either -- I always open the book file 
first, then the chapter files.  And up until FM 9, Alt+w, 1 would 
instantly bring the book file to the front, since it was always number 1 
in the Window menu list.  In FM 9, the book file doesn't even appear in 
the list.

One plus about FM9 -- the User Guide actually has a long chapter 
devoted to keyboard shortcuts for navigation, menu choices, equation 
editor, and so on.  Such documentation was woefully lacking in previous 
versions.

A very big MINUS: almost no shortcuts are described for dealing with the 
user interface.  Nor do shortcuts appear in the tool tips of the 
interface itself.  I am beginning to truly fear that no shortcuts for 
the interface even exist.

It seems that Adobe's developers have decided that everybody loves using 
the mouse and nobody would prefer to be able to close pods/panels, 
switch between documents/books, hide/show the interface, etc., by using 
keyboard commands.  Almost every instruction in the User Guide for 
manipulating the interface includes the words click, double-click, 
or right-click.  Hitting that itsy-bitsy double-arrow icon to close 
the Designers, using a hi-res laptop screen and touchpad while commuting 
on the subway calls for a greater degree of fine motor skills than I 
have yet developed.

A challenge to our resident evangelist, MR. JACQUEZ: give us a tutorial 
that shows us how to use this product without using the mouse.  At the 
very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation. 
How do I dismiss pods and panels?  How do I switch between Workspaces? 
Between open document tabs?  Between pages of the Designer dialogs? 
(That new feature that toggles UI visibility is absolutely terrific!!  I 
would use it dozens of times a day!  ...but not if I have to use the 
wretched mouse.)

Best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

PS: For a good laugh, have a look at the Index of the FM9 User Guide. 
  (It takes up just over four columns in a three-column layout -- on 
pages 535-536!)
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FM 9 Keyboard Shortcuts (ATTN: R. Jacquez!)

2009-03-31 Thread Stuart Rogers

Diane Gaskill wrote:

My book files are never buried behind any chapters. I keep my FM area 
organized so that this does not happen.  A litle extra work at the 
beginning but it saves time later.




My book files are never buried either -- I always open the book file 
first, then the chapter files.  And up until FM 9, "Alt+w, 1" would 
instantly bring the book file to the front, since it was always number 1 
in the Window menu list.  In FM 9, the book file doesn't even appear in 
the list.

One "plus" about FM9 -- the User Guide actually has a long chapter 
devoted to keyboard shortcuts for navigation, menu choices, equation 
editor, and so on.  Such documentation was woefully lacking in previous 
versions.

A very big MINUS: almost no shortcuts are described for dealing with the 
user interface.  Nor do shortcuts appear in the tool tips of the 
interface itself.  I am beginning to truly fear that no shortcuts for 
the interface even exist.

It seems that Adobe's developers have decided that everybody loves using 
the mouse and nobody would prefer to be able to close pods/panels, 
switch between documents/books, hide/show the interface, etc., by using 
keyboard commands.  Almost every instruction in the User Guide for 
manipulating the interface includes the words "click," "double-click," 
or "right-click."  Hitting that itsy-bitsy double-arrow icon to close 
the Designers, using a hi-res laptop screen and touchpad while commuting 
on the subway calls for a greater degree of fine motor skills than I 
have yet developed.

A challenge to our resident evangelist, MR. JACQUEZ: give us a tutorial 
that shows us how to use this product without using the mouse.  At the 
very least, give us a list of keyboard commands for UI manipulation. 
How do I dismiss pods and panels?  How do I switch between Workspaces? 
Between open document tabs?  Between pages of the Designer dialogs? 
(That new feature that toggles UI visibility is absolutely terrific!!  I 
would use it dozens of times a day!  ...but not if I have to use the 
wretched mouse.)

Best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

PS: For a good laugh, have a look at the "Index" of the FM9 User Guide. 
  (It takes up just over four columns in a three-column layout -- on 
pages 535-536!)

FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-22 Thread Alan Litchfield

Thanks Carla,

On 22/01/2009, at 3:53 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:
>
>
> ===
>
> You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
> previous versions.

This is really really bad. So what you're saying is that it only  
responds to the first letter you press and if you press the second it  
then jumps to the style that starts with that, if there is one?

Sorry, but I have never had any faith in Adobe's desire to listen. In  
general our requests for changes have gone unheard/ignored.

I think that may well be a deal breaker for me - all the other good  
stuff aside. I use FM purely as a production tool. I use it because it  
is not a DTP app. and I need to get through large amounts of text  
without fussing with the program. This changes renders FM about as  
useful for me as InDesign.

Alan

FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-22 Thread Alan Litchfield

On 22/01/2009, at 8:16 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:

>
>
> Please, file your comments with Adobe. Let them know that YOU find  
> this
> a deal-breaker, and why.
>

Where? But as I said, whistling in the wind...

> Now, all that said, a couple of the beta testers who write  
> FrameScripts
> said they could probably come up with a script to solve this issue.  
> I'd
> certainly pay for the script if they do.

That would mean buying the scripts, buying FrameScript to run them  
when this functionality should be a core part of the application. Just  
being an independent means I don't a lot of money to chuck at filling  
holes the developers have exposed simply because they wanted to add  
more 'features'.

Gotta say, I am starting to look at other applications. Building a  
class file in LaTeX would be as time consuming, and in the end  
possible productive.

Alan

FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-22 Thread Alan Litchfield

OK. Can anyone confirm if the other commands are lost too? Such as the  
meta key commands?

I can't install this new version onto my old computer.

Alan

FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

One issue that came up during beta testing was the paragraph sort order.
Some of you may have noticed that it changed in one of the FM8 patches.
Many of us created templates that had style names in a particular order
so that we could make easy use of keyboard shortcuts.

Prior to FM8p277, these two styles would sort in this order:

   1_Heading1
   1k_HeadingKit

In FM8p277 and on, they sorted in this order (the underscore came at the
*end* of the sort list, instead of at the beginning):

   1k_HeadingKit
   1_Heading1

In FM9, the catalog sort order can be controlled in two ways through a
flag in maker.ini. The default behavior continues to what was introduced
with 8.0 p277 onwards but the old behavior can be achieved by toggling
this flag.

This can be done by switching  the setting using
SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On in the maker.ini file.

===

You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
previous versions. If you press F8 or F9, and then a letter or number,
you will go to the first style that starts with that character. In the
following example, pressing b would take you to the b1_body style.
However, previously I could press b3 to select the b3_bullet1 style.
Now you either have to press  b three times, or press b and then the
down arrow twice to get to the b3 style.

b1_body1
b2_body2
b3_bullet1
b4_bullet2
c1_cellbody1

You may or may not find this inconvenient. In our case, this reduced
functionality has basically rendered the keyboard shortcuts useless for
many styles. To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
problem and fix it in a patch release.)

OTHERWISE, I find most of the improvements to be quite nice, and most
Framers will be quite comfortable with the new features in a short time.

-Carla
 
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Re: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Alan Litchfield

Thanks Carla,

On 22/01/2009, at 3:53 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:


 ===

 You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
 previous versions.

This is really really bad. So what you're saying is that it only  
responds to the first letter you press and if you press the second it  
then jumps to the style that starts with that, if there is one?

Sorry, but I have never had any faith in Adobe's desire to listen. In  
general our requests for changes have gone unheard/ignored.

I think that may well be a deal breaker for me - all the other good  
stuff aside. I use FM purely as a production tool. I use it because it  
is not a DTP app. and I need to get through large amounts of text  
without fussing with the program. This changes renders FM about as  
useful for me as InDesign.

Alan
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Re: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Jim Owens



Martinek, Carla wrote:

[stuff deleted]

 ===
 
 You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
 previous versions. . .  

  . . . To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
 c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
 that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
 that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
 problem and fix it in a patch release.)

Maybe they will fix it in FM10, thus giving us a good reason to buy that 
release. . .

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RE: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

-Original Message-
 This is really really bad. So what you're saying is that 
 it only responds to the first letter you press and if you 
 press the second it then jumps to the style that starts 
 with that, if there is one?

Exactly.  If you type t2 and press enter, the first style starting
with a t will highlight, and then it switches to the first heading
style that starts with the number 2, and enter will select the 2
style.

 Sorry, but I have never had any faith in Adobe's desire to listen. 
 In general our requests for changes have gone unheard/ignored.

We tried to tell them this during beta. According to the developers, FM9
is built on a whole new platform, and they were unable to duplicate
exactly some of the features we've used for years. They finally listened
when we told them that the para sort order was a big issue, and they
provided the option to change it in the last beta build. Several of us
said that the default setting for SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric in the
maker.ini file should be ON, not OFF, but at least we CAN change it.

 I think that may well be a deal breaker for me - all the other good
stuff aside.

Please, file your comments with Adobe. Let them know that YOU find this
a deal-breaker, and why.

Now, all that said, a couple of the beta testers who write FrameScripts
said they could probably come up with a script to solve this issue. I'd
certainly pay for the script if they do.

-Carla
 
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Re: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Alan Litchfield


On 22/01/2009, at 8:16 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote:



 Please, file your comments with Adobe. Let them know that YOU find  
 this
 a deal-breaker, and why.


Where? But as I said, whistling in the wind...

 Now, all that said, a couple of the beta testers who write  
 FrameScripts
 said they could probably come up with a script to solve this issue.  
 I'd
 certainly pay for the script if they do.

That would mean buying the scripts, buying FrameScript to run them  
when this functionality should be a core part of the application. Just  
being an independent means I don't a lot of money to chuck at filling  
holes the developers have exposed simply because they wanted to add  
more 'features'.

Gotta say, I am starting to look at other applications. Building a  
class file in LaTeX would be as time consuming, and in the end  
possible productive.

Alan
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Re: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Alan Litchfield

OK. Can anyone confirm if the other commands are lost too? Such as the  
meta key commands?

I can't install this new version onto my old computer.

Alan
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Re: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Art Campbell

On my (pre-release/beta) 9 install, all the format shortcuts are working.

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FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

One issue that came up during beta testing was the paragraph sort order.
Some of you may have noticed that it changed in one of the FM8 patches.
Many of us created templates that had style names in a particular order
so that we could make easy use of keyboard shortcuts.

Prior to FM8p277, these two styles would sort in this order:

   1_Heading1
   1k_HeadingKit

In FM8p277 and on, they sorted in this order (the underscore came at the
*end* of the sort list, instead of at the beginning):

   1k_HeadingKit
   1_Heading1

In FM9, the catalog sort order can be controlled in two ways through a
flag in maker.ini. The default behavior continues to what was introduced
with 8.0 p277 onwards but the old behavior can be achieved by toggling
this flag.

This can be done by switching  the setting using
"SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On" in the maker.ini file.

===

You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
previous versions. If you press F8 or F9, and then a letter or number,
you will go to the first style that starts with that character. In the
following example, pressing "b" would take you to the b1_body style.
However, previously I could press "b3" to select the b3_bullet1 style.
Now you either have to press  "b" three times, or press "b" and then the
down arrow twice to get to the b3 style.

b1_body1
b2_body2
b3_bullet1
b4_bullet2
c1_cellbody1

You may or may not find this inconvenient. In our case, this reduced
functionality has basically rendered the keyboard shortcuts useless for
many styles. To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
problem and fix it in a patch release.)

OTHERWISE, I find most of the improvements to be quite nice, and most
Framers will be quite comfortable with the new features in a short time.

-Carla

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FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

2009-01-21 Thread Jim Owens



Martinek, Carla wrote:

[stuff deleted]

> ===
> 
> You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
> previous versions. . .  

 > . . . To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
> c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
> that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
> that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
> problem and fix it in a patch release.)

Maybe they will fix it in FM10, thus giving us a good reason to buy that 
release. . .

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