Merge lists?

[Art Campbell]

The third list is already running, Rick -- sign up for Adobe's FM user forum.
;- )

Art

On 11/23/05, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting with their feet.
> For example, if someone set up a Framers group on Yahoo and people joined
> that and unsubscribed from the others, the other lists may eventually die.
> But it is risky to unsubscribe from a list if there may still be action on
> it. In other words, a single list is a good idea, but I doubt it is going to
> happen.
>
> Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started, I would join it and
> still remain with the other two.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> rick at frameexpert.com
> http://www.frameexpert.com

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Re: Merge lists?

[Art Campbell]

The third list is already running, Rick -- sign up for Adobe's FM user forum.
;- )

Art

On 11/23/05, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting with their feet.
> For example, if someone set up a Framers group on Yahoo and people joined
> that and unsubscribed from the others, the other lists may eventually die.
> But it is risky to unsubscribe from a list if there may still be action on
> it. In other words, a single list is a good idea, but I doubt it is going to
> happen.
>
> Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started, I would join it and
> still remain with the other two.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.frameexpert.com

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Merge lists?

[David Schor]

If I recall, Jeremy started Free Framers a few years ago following a
conflict with Brad over certain issues. 
I personally was neutral, and subscribe to both lists, although it's a
bit of a pain to cross-post and keep track of who answers from where.
Not to mention the issue of defining mail preferences when I'm out of
the office for an extended period of time.

Lisa has since replaced Brad as the main administrator/moderator of
FrameUsers. Perhaps the issues that caused the division then are more
benign between Jeremy and Lisa personally.

I think that a situation where all the Frame experts belong to the same
community optimizes the chances of finding the best solutions to user
questions and problems. To quote some starry-eyed soul in history,
"Can't we all get along?" :-) (THIS IS RHETORICAL! PLEASE DON'T FILL UP
MY MAILBOX WITH RESPONSES TO THAT ONE!)

Have a great weekend everyone!

David

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From: framers-bounces+davids=emblaze-vcon@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+davids=emblaze-vcon.com at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:18 PM
To: Framers List; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Merge lists?


Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
any better.

In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except

for those who have a grudge against one or the other moderator)? If we 
all set aside any personal differences and pride, would there be any 
problem with just having one list?

It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time to

delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the lists 
and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" I miss 
something *important* on the other list?

I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. obviously, 
it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want to force 
anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it would just be a

matter of setting up a new list, telling people about it so they can 
sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we don't want to 
end up with three lists). It would be great if the moderators of the 
current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this is the "perfect 
world").

I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like to

hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to have

two lists that provide the same service to the same people.

Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott

Merge lists?

[Dave Brown]

If? Check out some familiar faces at .

Regards,
Dave Brown d:?)?

Rick Quatro (24 Nov 05 11:37 a.m.) wrote:

>Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started,
>

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RE: Merge lists?

[David Schor]

If I recall, Jeremy started Free Framers a few years ago following a
conflict with Brad over certain issues. 
I personally was neutral, and subscribe to both lists, although it's a
bit of a pain to cross-post and keep track of who answers from where.
Not to mention the issue of defining mail preferences when I'm out of
the office for an extended period of time.

Lisa has since replaced Brad as the main administrator/moderator of
FrameUsers. Perhaps the issues that caused the division then are more
benign between Jeremy and Lisa personally.

I think that a situation where all the Frame experts belong to the same
community optimizes the chances of finding the best solutions to user
questions and problems. To quote some starry-eyed soul in history,
"Can't we all get along?" :-) (THIS IS RHETORICAL! PLEASE DON'T FILL UP
MY MAILBOX WITH RESPONSES TO THAT ONE!)

Have a great weekend everyone!

David

David Schor
Technical Communication Manager
Emblaze VCON Ltd.
Tel: (+972) 9 9590006
Mobile: 054 4788253
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Subject: Merge lists?


Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
any better.

In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except

for those who have a grudge against one or the other moderator)? If we 
all set aside any personal differences and pride, would there be any 
problem with just having one list?

It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time to

delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the lists 
and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" I miss 
something *important* on the other list?

I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. obviously, 
it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want to force 
anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it would just be a

matter of setting up a new list, telling people about it so they can 
sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we don't want to 
end up with three lists). It would be great if the moderators of the 
current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this is the "perfect 
world").

I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like to

hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to have

two lists that provide the same service to the same people.

Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott

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[Rick Quatro]

The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting with their feet.
For example, if someone set up a Framers group on Yahoo and people joined
that and unsubscribed from the others, the other lists may eventually die.
But it is risky to unsubscribe from a list if there may still be action on
it. In other words, a single list is a good idea, but I doubt it is going to
happen.

Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started, I would join it and
still remain with the other two.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
http://www.frameexpert.com

Moooer aha ha ha ha!  Mate, you just asked the Catholics and the
Protestants to kiss and make up!
--
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Technical Communications Tools & Processes Specialist
MYOB Australia 
P.O. box 371   Blackburn VIC 3130   Australia
12 Wesley Court   Tally Ho Business Park   East Burwood VIC 3151 Australia

Tel. +61 3 9222 9992 x 7421,   Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558

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Merge lists?

[phoenix]

Scott Prentice wrote:
>Hi...
>
>I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
>relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
>any better.
>
>In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
>(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 

Heck, even in an imperfect world, there's no need for two lists. :) 

~Tarage

Re: Merge lists?

[Dave Brown]

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Regards,
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Rick Quatro (24 Nov 05 11:37 a.m.) wrote:


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Re: Merge lists?

[John Posada]

Some people may be fogetting something.

The rules of the lists are different. The only way I could see of
merging would be to make the rules on both the same...

...and seeing that the reason the second was created was because of
the rules on the first, I don't see that happening...do you Jeremy or
Lisa?

> The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting 
> with their feet.

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Re: Merge lists?

[Rick Quatro]

The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting with their feet.
For example, if someone set up a Framers group on Yahoo and people joined
that and unsubscribed from the others, the other lists may eventually die.
But it is risky to unsubscribe from a list if there may still be action on
it. In other words, a single list is a good idea, but I doubt it is going to
happen.

Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started, I would join it and
still remain with the other two.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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http://www.frameexpert.com

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[John Posada]

Some people may be fogetting something.

The rules of the lists are different. The only way I could see of
merging would be to make the rules on both the same...

...and seeing that the reason the second was created was because of
the rules on the first, I don't see that happening...do you Jeremy or
Lisa?

> The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting 
> with their feet.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"What do we want? More than 
anybody else has."
 Steve Ballmer

Merge lists?

[Robert Kern]

Scott,

I moderate several  lists. If you use Mailman, its quite straightforward 
to merge lists. I'd suggest keeping one list and merging the 2nd list 
into it on as "invite" instead of "subscribe" so that people wouldn't 
need to do anything to opt out.  In mailman at the command level you can 
export the 2nd list's membership and then use Mass Subscription to merge 
the file into the 1st list. Mailman is programmed to automatically cull 
out duplicate names.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
bob at technicalpublishing.com
919-933-2629 phone and fax

Scott Prentice wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
> relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to 
> know any better.
>
> In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
> (FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists 
> (except for those who have a grudge against one or the other 
> moderator)? If we all set aside any personal differences and pride, 
> would there be any problem with just having one list?
>
> It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
> which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time 
> to delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the 
> lists and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" 
> I miss something *important* on the other list?
>
> I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. 
> obviously, it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want 
> to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it 
> would just be a matter of setting up a new list, telling people about 
> it so they can sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we 
> don't want to end up with three lists). It would be great if the 
> moderators of the current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this 
> is the "perfect world").
>
> I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like 
> to hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to 
> have two lists that provide the same service to the same people.
>
> Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)
>
> Cheers!
>
> ...scott
>
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[phoenix]

Scott Prentice wrote:
>Hi...
>
>I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
>relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
>any better.
>
>In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
>(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 

Heck, even in an imperfect world, there's no need for two lists. :) 

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[Robert Kern]

Scott,

I moderate several  lists. If you use Mailman, its quite straightforward 
to merge lists. I'd suggest keeping one list and merging the 2nd list 
into it on as "invite" instead of "subscribe" so that people wouldn't 
need to do anything to opt out.  In mailman at the command level you can 
export the 2nd list's membership and then use Mass Subscription to merge 
the file into the 1st list. Mailman is programmed to automatically cull 
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-bob

Robert Kern
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108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Scott Prentice wrote:


Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to 
know any better.


In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists 
(except for those who have a grudge against one or the other 
moderator)? If we all set aside any personal differences and pride, 
would there be any problem with just having one list?


It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time 
to delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the 
lists and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" 
I miss something *important* on the other list?


I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. 
obviously, it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want 
to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it 
would just be a matter of setting up a new list, telling people about 
it so they can sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we 
don't want to end up with three lists). It would be great if the 
moderators of the current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this 
is the "perfect world").


I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like 
to hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to 
have two lists that provide the same service to the same people.


Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott

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[Scott Prentice]

Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
any better.


In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 
for those who have a grudge against one or the other moderator)? If we 
all set aside any personal differences and pride, would there be any 
problem with just having one list?


It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time to 
delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the lists 
and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" I miss 
something *important* on the other list?


I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. obviously, 
it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want to force 
anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it would just be a 
matter of setting up a new list, telling people about it so they can 
sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we don't want to 
end up with three lists). It would be great if the moderators of the 
current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this is the "perfect 
world").


I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like to 
hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to have 
two lists that provide the same service to the same people.


Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott

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[Scott Prentice]

Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
any better.

In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 
for those who have a grudge against one or the other moderator)? If we 
all set aside any personal differences and pride, would there be any 
problem with just having one list?

It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time to 
delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the lists 
and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" I miss 
something *important* on the other list?

I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. obviously, 
it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want to force 
anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it would just be a 
matter of setting up a new list, telling people about it so they can 
sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we don't want to 
end up with three lists). It would be great if the moderators of the 
current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this is the "perfect 
world").

I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like to 
hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to have 
two lists that provide the same service to the same people.

Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott