Re: OT: No-tech; was: Funny
The fun (and funny) thing about all this is that every generation says the same thing about how easy their kids have it. And it'll probably be true 100 years from now. And therein lies the conundrum that makes the ever-diminishing degree of difficulty unsupportable. Technological advances are the result of eliminating the most difficult problems, freeing people up to move ahead and encounter new problem spaces. The previous generation's problems get solved, so comparison with the next generation is misleading and not really valid. The new problems are just different, but not likely to actually be that much easier. Given issues like the complexity of operating systems and the rate of change of the industry overall, coders these days have plenty to keep them awake at night too. I may not have been at it as long as some, but I did start coding for a living over 15 years ago and I've been in the industry since... Marcus Carr ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: No-tech; was: Funny
> The fun (and funny) thing about all this is that every generation says the > same thing about how easy their kids have it. And it'll probably be true > 100 years from now. And therein lies the conundrum that makes the ever-diminishing degree of difficulty unsupportable. Technological advances are the result of eliminating the most difficult problems, freeing people up to move ahead and encounter new problem spaces. The previous generation's problems get solved, so comparison with the next generation is misleading and not really valid. The new problems are just different, but not likely to actually be that much easier. Given issues like the complexity of operating systems and the rate of change of the industry overall, coders these days have plenty to keep them awake at night too. I may not have been at it as long as some, but I did start coding for a living over 15 years ago and I've been in the industry since... Marcus Carr
OT: No-tech; was: Funny
Ah yes, the good old(en) days of low-tech. Or maybe I should say no-tech. I wrote my first reports with a hand-held device. Nope, not a Palm Pilot or a hand held PC. This hand-held device was called a FOUNTAIN PEN. Remember fountain pens? Smeary, smelly ink that got all over your fingers and took forever to dry. You had to write each letter by hand. And there was no such thing as white-out. Make a mistake? Do the whooole page over. :-( Ball point pens came out a few years later. And white out too. Wheee. Calculators did not come out 'till after I was out of college. Changed the world - if you could afford one, that is. We use CAD to design things today. Back in college we used something called a drafting board. And we used hand-held devices called PENCILS. They were better than fountain pens because you could actually erase your mistakes and not have to do the whole page over. :-) The first computer I ever used had tubes in it. It cost a million dollars and would add, subtract, multiply, and divide. Programming was in assembly language. Punch cards and green-bar printouts. Advanced technology? Well, maybe. Make mistake? Do the whole punch card over. And watch out for hanging chad. Whoops, no, we didn't have hanging chad back then. That was invented in the election of 2000. Kids today don't know how easy they have it. Hey, kids 10 years ago don't know how easy they had it, either. The fun (and funny) thing about all this is that every generation says the same thing about how easy their kids have it. And it'll probably be true 100 years from now. Diane Gaskill Lockheed-Martin Space Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roberts, Katie Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:32 PM To: framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Funny I'm 47 and have been taking on-line classes since 2002. It is great! It is so much better to be able to attend classes in your pajamas. Way back, in the long, long ago, I had to type my reports on a manual typewriter and depended heavily on white out or the correction paper. Heck, I even used a telex machine in one of my first jobs. Thank heavens for technology. Katie Roberts Ohmart/VEGA Corp. Cincinnati, OH 513-272-0524x167 The important thing is not to stop questioning. Albert Einstein Vote for Char James-Tanny for STC International Secretary! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Malin Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:51 PM To: Gillian Flato; framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Funny What really *bugs* me (and I'm *much* older than 30) is how good science students in college got it now. I majored in Chemistry in undergrad. I had to type science papers on a portable typewriter, make photocopies of instrument outputs or data plots and then do a massive paste-up job. We had primitive calculators, but also relied on slide rules. Need something from an instrument or a test? Get up at 2 am and *walk to the source*. Ugh. Did computer science in grad school. On a mainframe (double ugh). No dial-up; had ride downtown to the computer lab to get on a terminal, then hang around until 2 AM so turnaround on jobs was less than 20 minutes. Had to wait until *3 AM* to get access to the computer graphics equipment. I wouldn't wish any of it on a blind dog. I'm not better for having done it the hard way, just probably more burned out and less educated. What frustrates *me* is that a modern CS student gets to have an ultra-powerful computer *plus* the Internet, and do so many *fun things*!!! :( Boo-hoo. I wanna be a student again! Boy, if Doom 2 had been around when I was a college student, I'd still be in school. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:22 AM To: framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: OT: Funny Just thought you guys might enjoy this... Hard Times related by a 30 year old. When I was a kid, adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes about how hard things were when they were growing up; what with walking twenty-five miles to school every morning... uphill BOTH ways... through year 'round blizzards. Carrying their younger siblings on their backs... to their one-room schoolhouse, where they maintained a straight-A average, despite their full-time, after-school job at the local textile mill... where they worked for 35 cents an hour just to help keep their family from starving to death! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit
OT: No-tech; was: Funny
Ah yes, the good old(en) days of low-tech. Or maybe I should say no-tech. I wrote my first reports with a hand-held device. Nope, not a Palm Pilot or a hand held PC. This hand-held device was called a FOUNTAIN PEN. Remember fountain pens? Smeary, smelly ink that got all over your fingers and took forever to dry. You had to write each letter by hand. And there was no such thing as white-out. Make a mistake? Do the whooole page over. :-( Ball point pens came out a few years later. And white out too. Wheee. Calculators did not come out 'till after I was out of college. Changed the world - if you could afford one, that is. We use CAD to design things today. Back in college we used something called a drafting board. And we used hand-held devices called PENCILS. They were better than fountain pens because you could actually erase your mistakes and not have to do the whole page over. :-) The first computer I ever used had tubes in it. It cost a million dollars and would add, subtract, multiply, and divide. Programming was in assembly language. Punch cards and green-bar printouts. Advanced technology? Well, maybe. Make mistake? Do the whole punch card over. And watch out for hanging chad. Whoops, no, we didn't have hanging chad back then. That was invented in the "election" of 2000. Kids today don't know how easy they have it. Hey, kids 10 years ago don't know how easy they had it, either. The fun (and funny) thing about all this is that every generation says the same thing about how easy their kids have it. And it'll probably be true 100 years from now. Diane Gaskill Lockheed-Martin Space Systems -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Roberts, Katie Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:32 PM To: framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Funny I'm 47 and have been taking on-line classes since 2002. It is great! It is so much better to be able to attend classes in your pajamas. Way back, in the long, long ago, I had to type my reports on a manual typewriter and depended heavily on white out or the correction paper. Heck, I even used a telex machine in one of my first jobs. Thank heavens for technology. Katie Roberts Ohmart/VEGA Corp. Cincinnati, OH 513-272-0524x167 "The important thing is not to stop questioning." Albert Einstein Vote for Char James-Tanny for STC International Secretary! -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+kroberts=ohmartvega@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+kroberts=ohmartvega.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joe Malin Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:51 PM To: Gillian Flato; framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Funny What really *bugs* me (and I'm *much* older than 30) is how good science students in college got it now. I majored in Chemistry in undergrad. I had to type science papers on a portable typewriter, make photocopies of instrument outputs or data plots and then do a massive paste-up job. We had primitive calculators, but also relied on slide rules. Need something from an instrument or a test? Get up at 2 am and *walk to the source*. Ugh. Did computer science in grad school. On a mainframe (double ugh). No dial-up; had ride downtown to the computer lab to get on a terminal, then hang around until 2 AM so turnaround on jobs was less than 20 minutes. Had to wait until *3 AM* to get access to the computer graphics equipment. I wouldn't wish any of it on a blind dog. I'm not "better" for having done it the hard way, just probably more burned out and less educated. What frustrates *me* is that a modern CS student gets to have an ultra-powerful computer *plus* the Internet, and do so many *fun things*!!! :( Boo-hoo. I wanna be a student again! Boy, if Doom 2 had been around when I was a college student, I'd still be in school. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 jmalin at tuvox.com www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 11:22 AM To: framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: OT: Funny Just thought you guys might enjoy this... Hard Times related by a 30 year old. When I was a kid, adults used to bore me to tears with their tedious diatribes about how hard things were when they were growing up; what with walking twenty-five miles to school every morning... uphill BOTH ways... through year 'round blizzards. Carrying their younger siblings on their backs... to their one-room schoolhouse, where they maintained a straight-A average, despite their full-time, after-school job at the local textile mill... where they worked for 35 cents an hour just to help keep their family from
