Re: OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Dave,,, There are numerous dual-head video cards with two DVI (digital) outputs. By all means, insist that your IT folks provide you with one. If you can't get them to provide you with what you need, I'd buy it out of my own pocket if I were you. Life is too short to deal with the problems of mixed format video formats and drivers. The right card can be had dirt cheap. You can get what you need for under $50 on eBay or at any good discount outlet. For an example of the video card I use, go to eBay.com and search on this item number: 320295526356. Of course, you are own your own (with your IT department's help) to ensure that a card like this is compatible with your computer. LCD monitors will always look and perform better when driven by the DVI digital interface, especially if the graphics card resolution is set to match the native resolution of the LCD display. In your case, that's 1280 x 1024. For a 19 monitor, that should be just about right. I can't speak for any other graphics cards other than my own, but my NVIDIA graphics card drivers support both landscape and portrait-mode displays. Hopefully you can get a graphics card like that. Just as important, I hope your LCD display(s) can be rotated physically on their stands to allow you to display pages in portrait mode, as opposed to the normal landscape mode. It's much better when working on documents typically formatted on letter-size pages in portrait orientation, and it's simple to switch back and forth. Dennis Brunnenmeyer At 06:51 PM 9/4/2008, Dave Reynolds wrote: Hi Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD monitors. After being the only tech writer in our team with a single monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago. Hurray!! It's been a long wait. So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 19 monitors. The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from someone else. Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my first monitor. Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!). This meant I had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a digital feed. The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. I have tried to adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but I've been unsuccessful. I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior to that on the first monitor. After complaining to our IST people, they fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the displays to match. For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing photographs it is a major problem. I take quite a few photos for my manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast. This means that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as the same photo looks so different on each monitor. Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to match the analog input display? Any help appreciated. Thanks Dave -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax:
Re: OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Assuming that:you have some kind of calibration sensor and software in place already, the problem is your video card. Most cards more than a year or so old only have one chip set and can only read and apply one profile, even if there are two output ports. And if the graphics are on the motherboard, there isn't a good way to do this. You'll need either a set of two matching cond graphics cards or a new graphics card. that has two chip sets and the capability to discretely drive two monitors in order to profile both monitors because each monitor is unique. Otherwise, I'd calibrate whichever monitor you're going to use as the primary and use the second for tools and tasks that aren't color-criven. Art On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Dave Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi snip The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing photographs it is a major problem. Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to match the analog input display? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Hi Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD monitors. After being the only tech writer in our team with a single monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago. Hurray!! It's been a long wait. So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 19" monitors. The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from someone else. Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my first monitor. Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!). This meant I had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a digital feed. The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. I have tried to adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but I've been unsuccessful. I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior to that on the first monitor. After complaining to our IST people, they fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the displays to match. For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing photographs it is a major problem. I take quite a few photos for my manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast. This means that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as the same photo looks so different on each monitor. Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to match the analog input display? Any help appreciated. Thanks Dave -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. ===
OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Dave,,, There are numerous "dual-head" video cards with two DVI (digital) outputs. By all means, insist that your IT folks provide you with one. If you can't get them to provide you with what you need, I'd buy it out of my own pocket if I were you. Life is too short to deal with the problems of mixed format video formats and drivers. The right card can be had dirt cheap. You can get what you need for under $50 on eBay or at any good discount outlet. For an example of the video card I use, go to eBay.com and search on this item number: 320295526356. Of course, you are own your own (with your IT department's help) to ensure that a card like this is compatible with your computer. LCD monitors will always look and perform better when driven by the DVI digital interface, especially if the graphics card resolution is set to match the native resolution of the LCD display. In your case, that's 1280 x 1024. For a 19" monitor, that should be just about right. I can't speak for any other graphics cards other than my own, but my NVIDIA graphics card drivers support both landscape and portrait-mode displays. Hopefully you can get a graphics card like that. Just as important, I hope your LCD display(s) can be rotated physically on their stands to allow you to display pages in portrait mode, as opposed to the normal landscape mode. It's much better when working on documents typically formatted on letter-size pages in portrait orientation, and it's simple to switch back and forth. Dennis Brunnenmeyer At 06:51 PM 9/4/2008, Dave Reynolds wrote: >Hi > >Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD >monitors. After being the only tech writer in our team with a single >monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago. >Hurray!! It's been a long wait. So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 >19" monitors. The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from >someone else. Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my >first monitor. > >Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the >second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!). This meant I >had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a >digital feed. > >The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first >monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. I have tried to >adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but >I've been unsuccessful. I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and >in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior >to that on the first monitor. After complaining to our IST people, they >fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still >budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on >analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the >displays to match. > >For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing >photographs it is a major problem. I take quite a few photos for my >manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I >take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast. This means >that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as >the same photo looks so different on each monitor. > >Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I >fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to >match the analog input display? > >Any help appreciated. > >Thanks > >Dave > >-- >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ > >Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 >Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 >Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz >PO Box 1645 >Christchurch >New Zealand > > >=== >This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended >addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be >the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or >lost by reason of this transmission. >If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our >apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no >other act on the email. >Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been > altered or corrupted during transmission. >=== > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as dennisb at chronometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more
Fwd: OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Hi Dave, I asked a friend who I know is pedantic about these things: There are a bunch of things that could be causing problems. Using DVI-D (digital) connections for both displays will probably help, at least you will be using the same image processing circuitry in both displays and same behaviour from the display driver then. Go through all of the display menus on both panels and make sure they match (particularly colour/white point temperature). Having the same settings on both doesn't guarantee that they'll match (see below), but you should start there and then, from that point, try tweaking one of them towards the other. Often the displays don't offer much control via the on-screen displays when using DVI-D connections, so you may have to use options in the display drivers instead or in combination. The backlight in the displays becomes dimmer with age (and takes longer to reach peak brightness). This is affected by the number of hours the backlight has been running rather than the actual age of the display. A dimmer backlight affects both the brightness (obviously) and will also affect colour to some degree. If you need accurate colour rendition, the you need to use a colourimeter to calibrate the monitors. If the displays are quite different, this will not get them looking the same, because the colourimeter can't deal with differents in brightness or dynamic range, but at least the colours will be accurate. If there's already a colourimeter in the company, this might be the best place to start first... otherwise the cost of a colourimeter starts at around $250. Manufacturers make changes to the monitor builds over time, so it's possible that the same model monitor may be built with a completely different image processors, firmware, LCD panel, and backlight. If the serial numbers are very close, this is unlikely, and for higher end displays the parts used in the build tends to be much more consistent. Having said that, I have two 24" Dell displays (hardly print-press quality, but they are higher end displays) that were bought about 2 months apart that have different panels and quite different brightness and colour rendition. Cheers, -mjg > > >>> Dave Reynolds 5/09/2008 1:51 p.m. >>> > Hi > > Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD > monitors. After being the only tech writer in our team with a single > monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago. > Hurray!! It's been a long wait. So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 > 19" monitors. The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from > someone else. Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my > first monitor. > > Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the > second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!). This meant I > had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a > digital feed. > > The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first > monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. I have tried to > adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but > I've been unsuccessful. I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and > in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior > to that on the first monitor. After complaining to our IST people, they > fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still > budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on > analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the > displays to match. > > For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing > photographs it is a major problem. I take quite a few photos for my > manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I > take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast. This means > that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as > the same photo looks so different on each monitor. > > Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I > fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to > match the analog input display? > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks > > Dave -- Matthew Gregan |/ /|kinetik at flim.org NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs.
OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Assuming that:you have some kind of calibration sensor and software in place already, the problem is your video card. Most cards more than a year or so old only have one chip set and can only read and apply one profile, even if there are two output ports. And if the graphics are on the motherboard, there isn't a good way to do this. You'll need either a set of two matching cond graphics cards or a new graphics card. that has two chip sets and the capability to discretely drive two monitors in order to profile both monitors because each monitor is unique. Otherwise, I'd calibrate whichever monitor you're going to use as the primary and use the second for tools and tasks that aren't color-criven. Art On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Dave Reynolds wrote: > Hi > > The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first > monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. > For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing > photographs it is a major problem. > Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I > fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to > match the analog input display? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
OT: matching dual LCD monitors
Hi Not exactly Frame related, but I'm after some advice about LCD monitors. After being the only tech writer in our team with a single monitor, I finally got given another monitor a couple of weeks ago. Hurray!! It's been a long wait. So now I have matching Viewsonic VA912 19 monitors. The second one is not new, but reassigned to me from someone else. Judging from the numbers, it is about the same age as my first monitor. Apparently my PC has an on-board video card, so they connected the second monitor via an adaptor card (budget constraints!). This meant I had the first monitor on an analog feed, and the second monitor on a digital feed. The display on the second monitor is quite different from the first monitor in terms of colour, brightness and contrast. I have tried to adjust the second monitor to match the display of the first monitor, but I've been unsuccessful. I've tried the adjustments on the monitor and in the driver, but the display on the second monitor is still inferior to that on the first monitor. After complaining to our IST people, they fitted a new video card that they happened to have in stock (still budget constraints), but I notice that the first monitor is still on analog, and the second is still on digital, and I still can't get the displays to match. For many applications this is only a nuisance. However, for editing photographs it is a major problem. I take quite a few photos for my manuals and it is important that the edited versions of the photos I take are consistent for colour, brightness and contrast. This means that I cannot currently use the second monitor for editing photos, as the same photo looks so different on each monitor. Is there a way to get the second monitor to match the first one, or am I fighting a losing battle trying to get the digital input display to match the analog input display? Any help appreciated. Thanks Dave -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
