RE: Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Gust, Dieter
 Message: 15
 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
 From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
 FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
 available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
 that can be performed to provide a window over other parts of
 the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
 Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
 with future versions of FrameMaker!

I'm sorry Dov, 

what you call registry hacks are by no means any secret technology. 
Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft Windows procedure to enable 
different character sets (derived from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an 
OpenType font to Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in Windows XP. 
Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the European Union would be forced 
to throw FrameMaker away, as FrameMaker then would not support about half of 
the European languages.

Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation got lost in the 
Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode age. On the other hand the 
FontSubstitutes feature is an integral part of the RTF specification so almost 
every one dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has to do 
with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if he/she didn't knew this.

http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.com%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f

The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) is wrong.
Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
There you'll find all information you need about FontSubstitutes and virtual 
fonts.

It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support this Windows standard 
existing since Windows 3. But we live now in the Unicode age. We can hardly 
wait for Adobe to implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
what you called a hack.

With regard to the question how to insert less than or equal without using 
the Symbol font the answer is: If that character would belong to an official 
Windows code page you could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't

For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker document take a look 
at:
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html


Regards Dieter Gust
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www.itl.de
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RE: Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
Dieter,

To be very clear ...

(1) I did NOT claim that these techniques were secret.
Please don't put words in my mouth.

(2) By registry hacks I am referring to techniques that
although expedient, can lead to major problems in subsequent
parts of a workflow or in compatibility with other products
or even the same product in the future as well as transferring
documents using such techniques to other systems not-so
configured.

(3) As much as you and I and almost anyone else would love
to see FrameMaker fully Unicode and OpenType savvy, it
unfortunately isn't (and before any of you flame me publicly
or privately with hate mail, I have no control over that!).

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Gust, Dieter
 Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:38 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
 
  Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
  From: Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
  FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
  available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
  that can be performed to provide a window over other parts of
  the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
  Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
  with future versions of FrameMaker!
 
 I'm sorry Dov, 
 
 what you call registry hacks are by no means any secret 
 technology. Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft 
 Windows procedure to enable different character sets (derived 
 from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an OpenType font to 
 Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
 FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in 
 Windows XP. Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the 
 European Union would be forced to throw FrameMaker away, as 
 FrameMaker then would not support about half of the European 
 languages.
 
 Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation 
 got lost in the Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode 
 age. On the other hand the FontSubstitutes feature is an 
 integral part of the RTF specification so almost every one 
 dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has 
 to do with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if 
 he/she didn't knew this.
 
 http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901

http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.c
om%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f
 
 The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) 
 is wrong.
 Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
 There you'll find all information you need about 
 FontSubstitutes and virtual fonts.
 
 It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support 
 this Windows standard existing since Windows 3. But we live 
 now in the Unicode age. We can hardly wait for Adobe to 
 implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
 what you called a hack.
 
 With regard to the question how to insert less than or 
 equal without using the Symbol font the answer is: If that 
 character would belong to an official Windows code page you 
 could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't
 
 For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker 
 document take a look at:
 http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html
 
 
 Regards Dieter Gust
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RE: Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Anne Robotti
 (3) As much as you and I and almost anyone else would love
 to see FrameMaker fully Unicode and OpenType savvy, it
 unfortunately isn't (and before any of you flame me publicly
 or privately with hate mail, I have no control over that!).

I think it would be a good policy if, *whenever* you catch yourself
starting to send *hate mail* about whether FrameMaker is Unicode and
OpenType savvy you take a walk around the block, because clearly you're
working just a little too hard!

Anne
 


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Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Gust, Dieter
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
> From: "Dov Isaacs" 
> Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
> FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
> available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
> that can be performed to provide a "window" over other parts of
> the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
> Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
> with future versions of FrameMaker!

I'm sorry Dov, 

what you call "registry hacks" are by no means any secret technology. 
Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft Windows procedure to enable 
different character sets (derived from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an 
OpenType font to Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in Windows XP. 
Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the European Union would be forced 
to throw FrameMaker away, as FrameMaker then would not support about half of 
the European languages.

Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation got lost in the 
Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode age. On the other hand the 
FontSubstitutes feature is an integral part of the RTF specification so almost 
every one dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has to do 
with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if he/she didn't knew this.

http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.com%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f

The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) is wrong.
Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
There you'll find all information you need about FontSubstitutes and virtual 
fonts.

It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support this Windows standard 
existing since Windows 3. But we live now in the "Unicode age". We can hardly 
wait for Adobe to implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
what you called a "hack".

With regard to the question how to insert "less than or equal" without using 
the Symbol font the answer is: If that character would belong to an official 
Windows code page you could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't

For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker document take a look 
at:
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html


Regards Dieter Gust
dgust at itl.de
itl AG
www.itl.de



Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
Dieter,

To be very clear ...

(1) I did NOT claim that these techniques were "secret."
Please don't put words in my mouth.

(2) By "registry hacks" I am referring to techniques that
although expedient, can lead to major problems in subsequent
parts of a workflow or in compatibility with other products
or even the same product in the future as well as transferring
documents using such techniques to other systems not-so
configured.

(3) As much as you and I and almost anyone else would love
to see FrameMaker fully Unicode and OpenType savvy, it
unfortunately isn't (and before any of you flame me publicly
or privately with hate mail, I have no control over that!).

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Gust, Dieter
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:38 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
> 
> > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:04:58 -0800
> > From: "Dov Isaacs" 
> > Subject: RE: Opentype/special characters
> > FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
> > available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
> > that can be performed to provide a "window" over other parts of
> > the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
> > Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
> > with future versions of FrameMaker!
> 
> I'm sorry Dov, 
> 
> what you call "registry hacks" are by no means any secret 
> technology. Contrariwise they are an official(!) Microsoft 
> Windows procedure to enable different character sets (derived 
> from Standard(!) Windows code pages) from an OpenType font to 
> Non-Unicode applications like FrameMaker. 
> FontSubstitutes exist since Windows 3 and they still exist in 
> Windows XP. Without this feature all FrameMaker users of the 
> European Union would be forced to throw FrameMaker away, as 
> FrameMaker then would not support about half of the European 
> languages.
> 
> Microsoft did not document this feature or the documentation 
> got lost in the Microsoft Web as now we live in the Unicode 
> age. On the other hand the FontSubstitutes feature is an 
> integral part of the RTF specification so almost every one 
> dealing with translation in non-western languages had and has 
> to do with this feature (we also call virtual fonts) even if 
> he/she didn't knew this.
> 
> <http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/links/News.aspx?NID=901>
>
<http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.support.microsoft.c
om%2fkb%2f159594%2fen-us%2f>
> 
> The link pointing to WGL Assistant (a non Microsoft solution) 
> is wrong.
> Here is the correct link: http://wgl.typ.pl/
> There you'll find all information you need about 
> FontSubstitutes and virtual fonts.
> 
> It's interesting that Adobe officially refuses to support 
> this Windows standard existing since Windows 3. But we live 
> now in the "Unicode age". We can hardly wait for Adobe to 
> implement Unicode support into FrameMaker in order to forget 
> what you called a "hack".
> 
> With regard to the question how to insert "less than or 
> equal" without using the Symbol font the answer is: If that 
> character would belong to an official Windows code page you 
> could easily insert it in FrameMaker, but it isn't
> 
> For an easy insertion of any character into a FrameMaker 
> document take a look at:
> http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-3.html
> 
> 
> Regards Dieter Gust



Opentype/special characters

2006-03-01 Thread Anne Robotti
> (3) As much as you and I and almost anyone else would love
> to see FrameMaker fully Unicode and OpenType savvy, it
> unfortunately isn't (and before any of you flame me publicly
> or privately with hate mail, I have no control over that!).

I think it would be a good policy if, *whenever* you catch yourself
starting to send *hate mail* about whether FrameMaker is Unicode and
OpenType savvy you take a walk around the block, because clearly you're
working just a little too hard!

Anne



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Opentype/special characters

2006-02-28 Thread D L Reynolds

Please forgive me if this has been covered a million times...

I'm using FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP with Opentype fonts, but I'm 
primarily a Macintosh person. It's my understanding that Opentype 
expands the Windows character set, but I can't find anything like a 
Glyphs palette or a keyboard command that will enable me to enter a 
simple less than or equal sign without having to resort to the 
Symbol font.


Is there a way to coax special characters out of Opentype fonts on 
FrameMaker Win?


Many thanks.

--Donna Reynolds
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RE: Opentype/special characters

2006-02-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
Donna,

FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
that can be performed to provide a window over other parts of
the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
with future versions of FrameMaker!

- Dov
 

 -Original Message-
 From: D L Reynolds
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:34 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Opentype/special characters
 
 Please forgive me if this has been covered a million times...
 
 I'm using FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP with Opentype fonts, but I'm 
 primarily a Macintosh person. It's my understanding that Opentype 
 expands the Windows character set, but I can't find anything like a 
 Glyphs palette or a keyboard command that will enable me to enter a 
 simple less than or equal sign without having to resort to the 
 Symbol font.
 
 Is there a way to coax special characters out of Opentype fonts on 
 FrameMaker Win?
 
 Many thanks.
 
  --Donna Reynolds
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Opentype/special characters

2006-02-28 Thread D L Reynolds
Please forgive me if this has been covered a million times...

I'm using FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP with Opentype fonts, but I'm 
primarily a Macintosh person. It's my understanding that Opentype 
expands the Windows character set, but I can't find anything like a 
Glyphs palette or a keyboard command that will enable me to enter a 
simple "less than or equal" sign without having to resort to the 
Symbol font.

Is there a way to coax special characters out of Opentype fonts on 
FrameMaker Win?

Many thanks.

 --Donna Reynolds



Opentype/special characters

2006-02-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
Donna,

FrameMaker does not directly support the extended character sets
available in many OpenType fonts. There are some registry hacks
that can be performed to provide a "window" over other parts of
the font, but such techniques are not supported or endorsed by
Adobe AND can leave you with documents that are incompatible
with future versions of FrameMaker!

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: D L Reynolds
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Opentype/special characters
> 
> Please forgive me if this has been covered a million times...
> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 7.1 on Windows XP with Opentype fonts, but I'm 
> primarily a Macintosh person. It's my understanding that Opentype 
> expands the Windows character set, but I can't find anything like a 
> Glyphs palette or a keyboard command that will enable me to enter a 
> simple "less than or equal" sign without having to resort to the 
> Symbol font.
> 
> Is there a way to coax special characters out of Opentype fonts on 
> FrameMaker Win?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
>  --Donna Reynolds