Re: PDF headaches
This was a good suggestion, and it works--both with Save As PDF and Print to PDF. The resolution isn't as good, but that's an OK tradeoff for getting the cross references right. I still can't figure out why the first cross reference of almost every chapter is mangled in Save As PDF, but not Print to PDF. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, and then use that instead? Nadine Jenny Greenleaf wrote: Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF headaches
This was a good suggestion, and it works--both with Save As PDF and Print to PDF. The resolution isn't as good, but that's an OK tradeoff for getting the cross references right. I still can't figure out why the first cross reference of every chapter is mangled in Save As PDF, but not Print to PDF. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: > Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, > and then use that instead? > > Nadine > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Thanks, Dov, >> >> Let me clarify: >> >> I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an >> irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image >> on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. >> >> >
PDF headaches
FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF headaches
Jenny, PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no transparency in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear background? Again, that is not transparency. I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using the same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for transparent is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should really have been described as translucent - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an English major and those who came up with the term transparent to describe non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text or vector objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating PDF via save as or via printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output PostScript stream unmodified. - Dov -Original Message- From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM To: Dov Isaacs Subject: Re: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent background. Really! Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support for non-opaque objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. FrameMaker's imaging model, unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not support anything other than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com ] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF headaches
Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a notebook. I am not making this up! I understand that you don't find the word transparent to be precise. I don't know what other word to use. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: Jenny, PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no transparency in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear background? Again, that is not transparency. I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using the same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for transparent is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should really have been described as translucent - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an English major and those who came up with the term transparent to describe non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text or vector objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating PDF via save as or via printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output PostScript stream unmodified. - Dov -Original Message- From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM To: Dov Isaacs Subject: Re: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent background. Really! Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support for non-opaque objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. FrameMaker's imaging model, unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not support anything other than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com ] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more
Re: PDF headaches
Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, and then use that instead? Nadine Jenny Greenleaf wrote: Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF headaches
Jenny, I DON'T disbelieve that you are seeing what you report. The question is what is causing something that isn't supposed to happen. If you were able to e-mail an example document with this problem (the background problem, not the cross-reference problem) off-list (including the PNG background and EPS over it pages), I'd love to see what's going on. By the way, were you using the CMYK versus RGB settings? - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:59 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF headaches Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a notebook. I am not making this up! I understand that you don't find the word transparent to be precise. I don't know what other word to use. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: Jenny, PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no transparency in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear background? Again, that is not transparency. I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using the same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for transparent is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should really have been described as translucent - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an English major and those who came up with the term transparent to describe non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text or vector objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating PDF via save as or via printing to the Adobe PDF PostScript printer driver instance since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output PostScript stream unmodified. - Dov -Original Message- From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenl...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM To: Dov Isaacs Subject: Re: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent background. Really! Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support for non-opaque objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. FrameMaker's imaging model, unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not support anything other than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com ] On Behalf Of Jenny Greenleaf Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF headaches FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenl...@mac.com. Send list
PDF headaches
FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 No additional external Frame tools or plugins I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not an expert in either of these tools. When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the transparency I need for the cover graphic. When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is gibberish (random characters). I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate font. If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. Any clues? Thanks in advance. Jenny Greenleaf Agency, LLC Portland, OR
PDF headaches
Jenny, PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no "transparency" in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear background? Again, that is not transparency. I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using the same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for "transparent" is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should really have been described as "translucent" - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an English major and those who came up with the term "transparent" to describe non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text or vector objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating PDF via "save as" or via printing to the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer driver instance since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output PostScript stream unmodified. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM > To: Dov Isaacs > Subject: Re: PDF headaches > > FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent > background. Really! > > Jenny > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > > > What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support > > for non-opaque > > objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. > > FrameMaker's imaging model, > > unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not > > support anything other > > than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? > > > > - Dov > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > >> lists.frameusers.com > >> ] On Behalf Of > >> Jenny Greenleaf > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM > >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >> Subject: PDF headaches > >> > >> FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) > >> Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) > >> Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 > >> No additional external Frame tools or plugins > >> > >> I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not > >> an > >> expert in either of these tools. > >> > >> When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the > >> transparency I > >> need for the cover graphic. > >> When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first cross- > >> reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is > >> gibberish (random characters). > >> > >> I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality > >> print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the corporate > >> font. > >> > >> If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather not. > >> > >> Any clues? Thanks in advance. > >> > >> Jenny > >> Greenleaf Agency, LLC > >> Portland, OR
PDF headaches
Thanks, Dov, Let me clarify: I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a notebook. I am not making this up! I understand that you don't find the word "transparent" to be precise. I don't know what other word to use. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > Jenny, > > PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of > the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no > "transparency" > in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. > > Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not > transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping > path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear > background? Again, that is not transparency. > > I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using > the > same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for > "transparent" > is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should > really > have been described as "translucent" - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an > English major and those who came up with the term "transparent" to > describe > non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). > > In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text > or vector > objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating > PDF via > "save as" or via printing to the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer > driver instance > since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output > PostScript > stream unmodified. > > - Dov > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM >> To: Dov Isaacs >> Subject: Re: PDF headaches >> >> FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent >> background. Really! >> >> Jenny >> >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: >> >>> What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support >>> for non-opaque >>> objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. >>> FrameMaker's imaging model, >>> unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not >>> support anything other >>> than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? >>> >>> - Dov >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at >>>> lists.frameusers.com >>>> ] On Behalf Of >>>> Jenny Greenleaf >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM >>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >>>> Subject: PDF headaches >>>> >>>> FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) >>>> Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) >>>> Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 >>>> No additional external Frame tools or plugins >>>> >>>> I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not >>>> an >>>> expert in either of these tools. >>>> >>>> When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the >>>> transparency I >>>> need for the cover graphic. >>>> When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first >>>> cross- >>>> reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is >>>> gibberish (random characters). >>>> >>>> I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality >>>> print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the >>>> corporate >>>> font. >>>> >>>> If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather >>>> not. >>>> >>>> Any clues? Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Jenny >>>> Greenleaf Agency, LLC >>>> Portland, OR > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, and then use that instead? Nadine Jenny Greenleaf wrote: > Thanks, Dov, > > Let me clarify: > > I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an > irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a > background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. > >
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Jenny, I DON'T disbelieve that you are seeing what you report. The question is what is causing something that isn't supposed to happen. If you were able to e-mail an example document with this problem (the background problem, not the cross-reference problem) off-list (including the PNG background and EPS over it pages), I'd love to see what's going on. By the way, were you using the CMYK versus RGB settings? - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: PDF headaches > > Thanks, Dov, > > Let me clarify: > > I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an > irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a > background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. > > If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly > shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. > > I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have > trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning > my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. > > I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. > However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. > I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and > the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a > notebook. I am not making this up! > > I understand that you don't find the word "transparent" to be precise. > I don't know what other word to use. > > Jenny > > > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > > > Jenny, > > > > PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of > > the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no > > "transparency" > > in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. > > > > Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not > > transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping > > path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear > > background? Again, that is not transparency. > > > > I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using > > the > > same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for > > "transparent" > > is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should > > really > > have been described as "translucent" - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an > > English major and those who came up with the term "transparent" to > > describe > > non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). > > > > In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text > > or vector > > objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating > > PDF via > > "save as" or via printing to the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer > > driver instance > > since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output > > PostScript > > stream unmodified. > > > > - Dov > > > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM > >> To: Dov Isaacs > >> Subject: Re: PDF headaches > >> > >> FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent > >> background. Really! > >> > >> Jenny > >> > >> > >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > >> > >>> What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support > >>> for non-opaque > >>> objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. > >>> FrameMaker's imaging model, > >>> unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not > >>> support anything other > >>> than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? > >>> > >>> - Dov > >>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > >>>> lists.frameusers.com > >>>> ] On Behalf Of > >>>> Jenny Greenleaf > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM > >>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >
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Maybe. The background stays the same and the graphic on top of it changes from manual to manual. We writers would rather not have to ask the graphic artist to do this for every book. Plus, I think then the whole thing would have to be EPS, and the file is gargantuan is it is. I will try it though. I would be fine if I could fix the cross-reference issue. Jenny On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Writer wrote: > Couldn't you merge the eps graphic and png graphic into one graphic, > and then use that instead? > > Nadine > > Jenny Greenleaf wrote: >> Thanks, Dov, >> >> Let me clarify: >> >> I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an >> irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image >> on a background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. >> >> >
