RE: Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Shelly Schneider]

Thank you, Simon! That was exactly the problem! I turned off Microsoft
Security Essentials [MSE] and that solved the problem. I first tried to
disable the Adobe .exe files - that didn't help. I had to disable MSE.  I
did alert the folks I had talked to at Adobe support, so hopefully they can
post something and be able to support customers with this problem in the
future.

 

I can't imagine how you sleuthed this solution in the first place, but I
sure am glad you did!! Thanks again!  -Shelly

 

Simon wrote ..
Are you perhaps using Microsoft Security Essentials [MSE] on your
workstation?

I have found from experience with customers that the Microsoft Anti-virus
Solution is way too aggressive, and was causing FrameMaker and/or Acrobat
Distiller to hand while attempting to print any graphics that contained
transparency areas.

If your company has a different Anti-virus suite available, I recommend
uninstalling MSE, and switching.

If you don't have that option, you will need to configure MSE to exclude
processes FrameMaker.exe, and Acrobat.exe, and perhaps add folder exclusion
too.

Regards
// Simon BUCH 





On 06/03/2013 04:56, Shelly Schneider wrote:

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have
been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues.
My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit
computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the
Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with
just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs
cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can
make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 

 

 

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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Shelly Schneider]

Thank you, Simon! That was exactly the problem! I turned off Microsoft
Security Essentials [MSE] and that solved the problem. I first tried to
disable the Adobe .exe files - that didn't help. I had to disable MSE.  I
did alert the folks I had talked to at Adobe support, so hopefully they can
post something and be able to support customers with this problem in the
future.



I can't imagine how you sleuthed this solution in the first place, but I
sure am glad you did!! Thanks again!  -Shelly



Simon wrote ..
Are you perhaps using Microsoft Security Essentials [MSE] on your
workstation?

I have found from experience with customers that the Microsoft Anti-virus
Solution is way too aggressive, and was causing FrameMaker and/or Acrobat
Distiller to hand while attempting to print any graphics that contained
transparency areas.

If your company has a different Anti-virus suite available, I recommend
uninstalling MSE, and switching.

If you don't have that option, you will need to configure MSE to exclude
processes FrameMaker.exe, and Acrobat.exe, and perhaps add folder exclusion
too.

Regards
// Simon BUCH 





On 06/03/2013 04:56, Shelly Schneider wrote:

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have
been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues.
My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit
computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the
Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with
just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs
cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can
make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 





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Re: Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[rebecca officer]

Hi Shelly
 
Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.
 
In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a
separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator).
In our FM file, we put a holding page. Once we've made the final PDF
from Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the
real cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

 Shelly Schneider she...@softest.com 6/03/13 17:56 

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I
have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no
issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new
64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps
using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page
frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled
throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a
jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 
 
I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while,
but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has
anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won’t require me
to replace the cover art in all my docs?
 
I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview,
and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview
prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray
boxes, so I’ll use that if necessary.
 
Thank you!!
Shelly Schneider
 

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Re: Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Matt Sullivan]

Hmm,

Sounds like either a printer driver issue (are you using Adobe PDF?) or an 
issue with the PDF. I would open the PDF into Illustrator, and resave as PDF 
with Illustrator editing capabilities.


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On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:20 PM, rebecca officer 
rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz wrote:

 Hi Shelly
  
 Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.
  
 In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a 
 separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator). In our 
 FM file, we put a holding page. Once we've made the final PDF from 
 Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the real 
 cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.
  
 Cheers
 Rebecca
 
  Shelly Schneider she...@softest.com 6/03/13 17:56 
 I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have been 
 using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues. My 
 company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit computer. 
  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the Adobe PDF 
 printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with just the 
 cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs cause no 
 problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can make a 
 pdf, but the quality is not the same.
  
 I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, but 
 they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has anyone 
 else had this problem and found a solution that won’t require me to replace 
 the cover art in all my docs?
  
 I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, and get 
 an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview prevents 
 Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray boxes, so I’ll use 
 that if necessary.
  
 Thank you!!
 Shelly Schneider
  
 
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Re: Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Shelly,

Are you perhaps using Microsoft Security Essentials [MSE] on your 
workstation?


I have found from experience with customers that the Microsoft 
Anti-virus Solution is way too aggressive, and was causing FrameMaker 
and/or Acrobat Distiller to hand while attempting to print any graphics 
that contained transparency areas.


If your company has a different Anti-virus suite available, I recommend 
uninstalling MSE, and switching.


If you don't have that option, you will need to configure MSE to exclude 
processes FrameMaker.exe, and Acrobat.exe, and perhaps add folder 
exclusion too.


Regards
// Simon BUCH




On 06/03/2013 04:56, Shelly Schneider wrote:


I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I 
have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with 
no issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a 
new 64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print 
to .ps using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A 
one-page frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller 
 pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the 
cover art with a jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is 
not the same.


I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, 
but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. 
Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won't 
require me to replace the cover art in all my docs?


I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, 
and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the 
preview prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting 
gray boxes, so I'll use that if necessary.


Thank you!!

Shelly Schneider



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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[rebecca officer]

Hi Shelly

Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.

In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a
separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator).
In our FM file, we put a "holding" page. Once we've made the final PDF
from Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the
real cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Shelly Schneider"  6/03/13 17:56 >>>

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I
have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no
issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new
64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps
using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page
frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled
throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a
jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 

I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while,
but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has
anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won?t require me
to replace the cover art in all my docs?

I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview,
and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview
prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray
boxes, so I?ll use that if necessary.

Thank you!!
Shelly Schneider


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[Matt Sullivan]

Hmm,

Sounds like either a printer driver issue (are you using Adobe PDF?) or an 
issue with the PDF. I would open the PDF into Illustrator, and resave as PDF 
with Illustrator editing capabilities.


-Matt

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phone: 714 960-6840 

On Mar 6, 2013, at 3:20 PM, "rebecca officer"  wrote:

> Hi Shelly
>  
> Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.
>  
> In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a 
> separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator). In our 
> FM file, we put a "holding" page. Once we've made the final PDF from 
> Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the real 
> cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.
>  
> Cheers
> Rebecca
> 
> >>> "Shelly Schneider"  6/03/13 17:56 >>>
> I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have been 
> using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues. My 
> company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit computer. 
>  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the Adobe PDF 
> printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with just the 
> cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs cause no 
> problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can make a 
> pdf, but the quality is not the same.
>  
> I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, but 
> they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has anyone 
> else had this problem and found a solution that won?t require me to replace 
> the cover art in all my docs?
>  
> I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, and get 
> an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview prevents 
> Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray boxes, so I?ll use 
> that if necessary.
>  
> Thank you!!
> Shelly Schneider
>  
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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Shelly,

Are you perhaps using Microsoft Security Essentials [MSE] on your 
workstation?

I have found from experience with customers that the Microsoft 
Anti-virus Solution is way too aggressive, and was causing FrameMaker 
and/or Acrobat Distiller to hand while attempting to print any graphics 
that contained transparency areas.

If your company has a different Anti-virus suite available, I recommend 
uninstalling MSE, and switching.

If you don't have that option, you will need to configure MSE to exclude 
processes FrameMaker.exe, and Acrobat.exe, and perhaps add folder 
exclusion too.

Regards
// Simon BUCH




On 06/03/2013 04:56, Shelly Schneider wrote:
>
> I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I 
> have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with 
> no issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a 
> new 64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print 
> to .ps using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A 
> one-page frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller 
>  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the 
> cover art with a jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is 
> not the same.
>
> I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, 
> but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. 
> Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won't 
> require me to replace the cover art in all my docs?
>
> I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, 
> and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the 
> preview prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting 
> gray boxes, so I'll use that if necessary.
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Shelly Schneider
>
>
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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Shelly Schneider]

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have
been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues.
My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit
computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the
Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with
just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs
cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can
make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 

 

I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, but
they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has anyone
else had this problem and found a solution that won't require me to replace
the cover art in all my docs?

 

I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, and get
an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview prevents
Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray boxes, so I'll use
that if necessary.

 

Thank you!!

Shelly Schneider

 

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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

[Shelly Schneider]

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I have
been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no issues.
My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new 64 bit
computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps using the
Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page frame file with
just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled throughout my docs
cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a jpg or png file, I can
make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 



I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while, but
they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has anyone
else had this problem and found a solution that won't require me to replace
the cover art in all my docs?



I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview, and get
an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview prevents
Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray boxes, so I'll use
that if necessary.



Thank you!!

Shelly Schneider



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Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Ursula McCloy]

Hi,

We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
steep for our tastes).

While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
installed.  Of course, we could print to file using another print
driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
to wrangle with.
* Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
on a Windows7 machine?
* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
can't tell for sure)
* Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?
* And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
Windows7?  


Thanks for any insights :).

Ursula McCloy
Information Developer
The PEER Group Inc.
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Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

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A couple of answers, cut in below.

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
ursula.mcc...@peergroup.comwrote:

 Hi,

 We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
 upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
 Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
 steep for our tastes).

 While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
 SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
 installed.

The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
during the FM 9 installation.

However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in FM
9.



  Of course, we could print to file using another print
 driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
 whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
 to wrangle with.


Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing to
the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance from 9,
it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you update
Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with FM 9?


 * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
 on a Windows7 machine?

* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
 pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
 can't tell for sure)


Why would they have needed to? You said it was already on the system, and
its removal isn't required by the FM 9 installation.


 * Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
 FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?


Yes, printing to the logical printer


 * And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
 show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
 Windows7?


 Thanks for any insights :).

 Ursula McCloy
 Information Developer
 The PEER Group Inc.
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Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Art Campbell]

OK, if you run the installation program in Windows XP compatibility mode, it
doesn't have anything at all to do with what the Acrobat program actually
does or what it works with when it's running. The installation program just
installs. Period. It doesn't control what can or cannot use the virtual
printer but given that A7 is being installed on a system running an
operating system it wasn't designed for, I'm not too surprised you're having
problems though.

I'd try:
1. Download the Acrobat 9 eval version and install it, to make sure that, at
least works. Worst case is you can use it for 90 days free.
2. Ring up Adobe Tech Support (yeah, I know it's several hours of phone
hell, but installation problems are free), and see if it's possible to set
up Acrobat 7 on W7.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
ursula.mcc...@peergroup.comwrote:

 Thanks, Art :).

 While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
 realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
 1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.

 2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.
 3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
 except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
 Devices  Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
 print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
 via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
 not actually installed.
 4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
 called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
 installation.

 Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
 the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
 we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
 could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
 but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
 running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
 for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
 64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?

 Thx

 Ursula

 --
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
 To: Ursula McCloy
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
 Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

 A couple of answers, cut in below.

 Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
 apply.
  DoD 358

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
 ursula.mcc...@peergroup.com wrote:
 Hi,

 We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
 upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
 Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
 steep for our tastes).

 While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
 SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
 installed.
 The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
 Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
 during the FM 9 installation.

 However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
 than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in
 FM 9.


  Of course, we could print to file using another print
 driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
 whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
 to wrangle with.

 Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing
 to the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
 If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance
 from 9, it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you
 update Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with
 FM 9?

 * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
 on a Windows7 machine?
 * If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
 pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
 can't tell for sure)

 Why would they have needed to? You said it was already on the system,
 and its removal isn't required by the FM 9 installation

RE: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Alison Craig]

A quick look at Adobe's site yields the following - so I wouldn't waste my time 
on the phone with Adobe.

As I have Adobe CS2 (Acrobat 7) I have yet another reason to resist the change 
to Windows 7. Yeah!

Alison


What about older versions of Acrobat and Windows 7?

If you own Acrobat 6, Acrobat 7, or Acrobat 8 software, you are eligible for an 
upgrade to Acrobat 9. An Acrobat 9 upgrade can be purchased through your Adobe 
reseller or the Adobe Store. Upgrading to Acrobat 9 will ensure compatibility 
with Windows 7 and access to the latest product enhancements such as the 
ability to build PDF Portfolios, to create and track PDF forms, and to manage 
team collaboration working with additional services available with a free 
Acrobat.com services account. Acrobat 9 can be used to create high-quality PDF 
files from virtually any application and delivers one-click functionality from 
popular business applications such as Microsoft Office 2007, Microsoft Internet 
Explorer, Microsoft Project, Microsoft Visio, and Lotus Notes. More information 
about upgrading to Acrobat 9 is available from upgrade page. Enterprise 
customers with a Gold or Platinum support plan can contact Customer Support for 
upgrade tips and planning help.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/faq/#item-0 


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Ursula McCloy
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on 
Windows7?

OK, if you run the installation program in Windows XP compatibility mode, it
doesn't have anything at all to do with what the Acrobat program actually
does or what it works with when it's running. The installation program just
installs. Period. It doesn't control what can or cannot use the virtual
printer but given that A7 is being installed on a system running an
operating system it wasn't designed for, I'm not too surprised you're having
problems though.

I'd try:
1. Download the Acrobat 9 eval version and install it, to make sure that, at
least works. Worst case is you can use it for 90 days free.
2. Ring up Adobe Tech Support (yeah, I know it's several hours of phone
hell, but installation problems are free), and see if it's possible to set
up Acrobat 7 on W7.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
ursula.mcc...@peergroup.comwrote:

 Thanks, Art :).

 While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
 realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
 1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.

 2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.
 3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
 except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
 Devices  Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
 print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
 via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
 not actually installed.
 4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
 called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
 installation.

 Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
 the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
 we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
 could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
 but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
 running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
 for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
 64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?

 Thx

 Ursula

 --
 From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
 To: Ursula McCloy
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
 Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

 A couple of answers, cut in below.

 Art Campbell
 art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
 and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
 apply.
  DoD 358

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17

RE: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Dov Isaacs]

Acrobat 7 does not support any version of Windows beyond Windows XP
and certainly NOT any 64-bit version of Windows.

With all due respect, if you are considering upgrades of operating system
and hardware (such as more memory than can be supported by a 32-bit OS),
you should consider the FULL cost of such upgrades including any and all
applications you either explicitly or implicitly require.

With regards to generating reliable PDF files from FrameMaker 9 on
Windows 7, some ideas:

(1) FrameMaker 9 does come with a headless limited version
of Distiller 9 (you can't run it separately) that allows creation
of PDF via the save as PDF facility of FrameMaker 9. However,
you would need to uninstall Acrobat 7 if you want it to install
and work.

(2) Non-Adobe PDF creators will not integrate with FrameMaker
and typically have been known to create mediocre-at-best PDF.

- Dov

Adobe does NOT support CS2 on Windows 7. Only CS4 and CS5 are supported
on Windows 7.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
 Ursula McCloy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on 
 Windows7?
 
 Hi,
 
 We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
 upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
 Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
 steep for our tastes).
 
 While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
 SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
 installed.  Of course, we could print to file using another print
 driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
 whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
 to wrangle with.
 * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
 on a Windows7 machine?
 * If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
 pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
 can't tell for sure)
 * Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
 FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?
 * And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
 show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
 Windows7?
 
 
 Thanks for any insights :).
 
 Ursula McCloy
 Information Developer
 The PEER Group Inc.
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Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Ursula McCloy]

Thanks, Art :).  

While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.

2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.  
3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
Devices  Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
not actually installed. 
4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
installation.

Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?

Thx

Ursula

--
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Ursula McCloy
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

A couple of answers, cut in below.

Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
ursula.mcc...@peergroup.com wrote:
Hi,

We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
steep for our tastes).

While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
installed. 
The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
during the FM 9 installation.

However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in
FM 9.

 
 Of course, we could print to file using another print
driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
to wrangle with.
 
Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing
to the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance
from 9, it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you
update Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with
FM 9?
 
* Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
on a Windows7 machine?
* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
can't tell for sure)

Why would they have needed to? You said it was already on the system,
and its removal isn't required by the FM 9 installation.
 
* Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?

Yes, printing to the logical printer
 
* And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
Windows7?


Thanks for any insights :).

Ursula McCloy
Information Developer
The PEER Group Inc.
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Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Art Campbell]

A couple of answers, cut in below.

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
> upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
> Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
> steep for our tastes).
>
> While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
> SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
> installed.

The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
during the FM 9 installation.

However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in FM
9.



>  Of course, we could print to file using another print
> driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
> whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
> to wrangle with.
>

Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing to
the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance from 9,
it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you update
Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with FM 9?


> * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
> on a Windows7 machine?

* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
> pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
> can't tell for sure)
>

Why would they have needed to? You said it was already on the system, and
its removal isn't required by the FM 9 installation.


> * Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
> FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?
>

Yes, printing to the logical printer


> * And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
> show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
> Windows7?
>
>
> Thanks for any insights :).
>
> Ursula McCloy
> Information Developer
> The PEER Group Inc.
> ___
>
>
>

Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Art Campbell]

OK, if you run the installation program in Windows XP compatibility mode, it
doesn't have anything at all to do with what the Acrobat program actually
does or what it works with when it's running. The installation program just
installs. Period. It doesn't control what can or cannot use the virtual
printer but given that A7 is being installed on a system running an
operating system it wasn't designed for, I'm not too surprised you're having
problems though.

I'd try:
1. Download the Acrobat 9 eval version and install it, to make sure that, at
least works. Worst case is you can use it for 90 days free.
2. Ring up Adobe Tech Support (yeah, I know it's several hours of phone
hell, but installation problems are free), and see if it's possible to set
up Acrobat 7 on W7.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
wrote:

> Thanks, Art :).
>
> While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
> realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
> 1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.
>
> 2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.
> 3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
> except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
> Devices & Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
> print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
> via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
> not actually installed.
> 4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
> called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
> installation.
>
> Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
> the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
> we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
> could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
> but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
> running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
> for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
> 64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?
>
> Thx
>
> Ursula
>
> --
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: Ursula McCloy
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
> Acrobat 7 on Windows7?
>
> A couple of answers, cut in below.
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers
> apply.
>  DoD 358
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
>  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
> upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
> Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
> steep for our tastes).
>
> While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
> SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
> installed.
> The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
> Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
> during the FM 9 installation.
>
> However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
> than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in
> FM 9.
>
>
>  Of course, we could print to file using another print
> driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
> whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
> to wrangle with.
>
> Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing
> to the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
> If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance
> from 9, it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you
> update Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with
> FM 9?
>
> * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
> on 

Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Alison Craig]

A quick look at Adobe's site yields the following - so I wouldn't waste my time 
on the phone with Adobe.

As I have Adobe CS2 (Acrobat 7) I have yet another reason to resist the change 
to Windows 7. Yeah!

Alison


"What about older versions of Acrobat and Windows 7?

If you own Acrobat 6, Acrobat 7, or Acrobat 8 software, you are eligible for an 
upgrade to Acrobat 9. An Acrobat 9 upgrade can be purchased through your Adobe 
reseller or the Adobe Store. Upgrading to Acrobat 9 will ensure compatibility 
with Windows 7 and access to the latest product enhancements such as the 
ability to build PDF Portfolios, to create and track PDF forms, and to manage 
team collaboration working with additional services available with a free 
Acrobat.com services account. Acrobat 9 can be used to create high-quality PDF 
files from virtually any application and delivers one-click functionality from 
popular business applications such as Microsoft Office 2007, Microsoft Internet 
Explorer, Microsoft Project, Microsoft Visio, and Lotus Notes. More information 
about upgrading to Acrobat 9 is available from upgrade page. Enterprise 
customers with a Gold or Platinum support plan can contact Customer Support for 
upgrade tips and planning help."

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/faq/#item-0 


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Ursula McCloy
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on 
Windows7?

OK, if you run the installation program in Windows XP compatibility mode, it
doesn't have anything at all to do with what the Acrobat program actually
does or what it works with when it's running. The installation program just
installs. Period. It doesn't control what can or cannot use the virtual
printer but given that A7 is being installed on a system running an
operating system it wasn't designed for, I'm not too surprised you're having
problems though.

I'd try:
1. Download the Acrobat 9 eval version and install it, to make sure that, at
least works. Worst case is you can use it for 90 days free.
2. Ring up Adobe Tech Support (yeah, I know it's several hours of phone
hell, but installation problems are free), and see if it's possible to set
up Acrobat 7 on W7.

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
wrote:

> Thanks, Art :).
>
> While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
> realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
> 1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.
>
> 2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.
> 3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
> except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
> Devices & Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
> print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
> via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
> not actually installed.
> 4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
> called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
> installation.
>
> Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
> the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
> we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
> could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
> but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
> running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
> for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
> 64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?
>
> Thx
>
> Ursula
>
> --
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: Ursula McCloy
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
> Acrobat 7 on Windows7?
>
> A couple of answers, cut in below.
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothi

Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Dov Isaacs]

Acrobat 7 does not support any version of Windows beyond Windows XP
and certainly NOT any 64-bit version of Windows.

With all due respect, if you are considering upgrades of operating system
and hardware (such as more memory than can be supported by a 32-bit OS),
you should consider the FULL cost of such upgrades including any and all
applications you either explicitly or implicitly require.

With regards to "generating reliable PDF files from FrameMaker 9 on
Windows 7," some ideas:

(1) FrameMaker 9 does come with a headless limited version
of Distiller 9 (you can't run it separately) that allows creation
of PDF via the "save as PDF" facility of FrameMaker 9. However,
you would need to uninstall Acrobat 7 if you want it to install
and work.

(2) Non-Adobe PDF creators will not integrate with FrameMaker
and typically have been known to create mediocre-at-best PDF.

- Dov

Adobe does NOT support CS2 on Windows 7. Only CS4 and CS5 are supported
on Windows 7.

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Ursula McCloy
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:17 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on 
> Windows7?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
> upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
> Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
> steep for our tastes).
> 
> While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
> SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
> installed.  Of course, we could print to file using another print
> driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
> whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
> to wrangle with.
> * Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
> on a Windows7 machine?
> * If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
> pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
> can't tell for sure)
> * Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
> FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?
> * And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
> show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
> Windows7?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any insights :).
> 
> Ursula McCloy
> Information Developer
> The PEER Group Inc.

Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Ursula McCloy]

Thanks, Art :).  

While I thought I was explaining myself clearly, your questions made me
realize that in fact I did not!  Ah, the value of a peer review...
1)  I have a brand-spanking-new machine with Windows7 64-bit on it.

2)  We installed our new FM9 license.  All works well.  
3)  We installed our old Acrobat 7 Pro on it.  All works well,
except that the PDF Printer driver does not appear as a printer in the
Devices & Printers dialog, nor is it available as an option when you
print via any application (including FrameMaker), nor can I Save As PDF
via FrameMaker.  This leads me to believe that the PDF Print driver is
not actually installed. 
4)  I cannot locate the PDF Printer driver (which I believe is
called AdobePDF.dll or AdobePDF.inf) to try and perform a manual
installation.

Is there any way to successfully install Acrobat7 so that in includes
the PDF Printer driver in Windows 7, 64-bit (i.e., a particular sequence
we have to follow using the normal installer, an extra manual step we
could perform)?  I think we could install under XP compatibility mode,
but then the printer driver would not be available to applications
running in Windows7, rendering it useless.  If there is no workaround
for Acrobat 7, is there another printer driver (not from adobe) that is
64-bit compatible and reliable for use as a postscript generator?

Thx

Ursula

--
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Ursula McCloy
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using
Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

A couple of answers, cut in below.

Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ursula McCloy
 wrote:
Hi,

We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
steep for our tastes).

While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
installed. 
The old 7 driver is still installed, unless you somehow modified your
Acrobat installation. There wouldn't have been any reason to disturb it
during the FM 9 installation.

However, that 5- or 6-year old software is installed in a different path
than the current Acrobat r 9 location, so the newer location is used in
FM 9.


 Of course, we could print to file using another print
driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
to wrangle with.

Actually, most people have reported noticabely fewer problems printing
to the printer instance than using the buggier SaveAs route in 9.
If you're having problems printing to the Acrobat 7 printer instance
from 9, it's likely do to your Acrobat 7 set up. For instance, did you
update Acrobat settings to include the new font folders installed with
FM 9?

* Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
on a Windows7 machine?
* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
can't tell for sure)

Why would they have needed to? You said it was already on the system,
and its removal isn't required by the FM 9 installation.

* Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?

Yes, printing to the logical printer

* And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
Windows7?


Thanks for any insights :).

Ursula McCloy
Information Developer
The PEER Group Inc.
___

Is it possible to Save As PDF from FrameMaker 9 using Acrobat 7 on Windows7?

[Ursula McCloy]

Hi,

We have recently upgraded to Windows7, 64-bit, and were also able to
upgrade to FrameMaker9.  We have not yet committed to upgrading our
Acrobat 7 licenses (bundled with CS2; to upgrade that is ~$700 - a tad
steep for our tastes).

While we are pleased with our FM9 upgrade in general, we are unable to
SaveAsPDF, since the Acrobat PDF print driver does not appear to be
installed.  Of course, we could print to file using another print
driver, but that is not generally considered kosher, and can produce a
whole slew of other problems (fonts, colours, etc.) that I do not want
to wrangle with.
* Has anyone been able to get the Acrobat7 PDF print driver to install
on a Windows7 machine?
* If so, is there a particular install sequence we need to follow? (I am
pretty sure IT  remembered to install Acrobat after FrameMaker, but I
can't tell for sure)
* Are there any other options for generating reliable PDFs from
FrameMaker9 on Windows7, other than upgrading to Acrobat9?
* And (though this question is off topic) has anyone experienced any
show stoppers with using CS2 Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign on
Windows7?  


Thanks for any insights :).

Ursula McCloy
Information Developer
The PEER Group Inc.

Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Art Campbell]

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,  kgrace4...@aol.com wrote:
 I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
 that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
 chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
 Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
 setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job. I would like now create
 the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
 When I change to the setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job I am
 prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
 selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
 combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
 this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode
 i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
 reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
 pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

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RE: Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes. I have done something very similar using batch files and Task
Scheduler. I produce PDFs every morning at 0400...Kelly.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:46 AM
To: kgrace4...@aol.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
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  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,  kgrace4...@aol.com wrote:
 I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
 that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
 chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
 Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
 setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job. I would like now create
 the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
 When I change to the setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job I am
 prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
 selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
 combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
 this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent
mode
 i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
 reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
 pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

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Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Stuart Rogers]

On 04/02/2010 10:41 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:
 You want to specify *.ps in Print to File and select Separate File
 for Each Document from Save Book As:. This will give you inidividual
 postscript files for each chapter, named the same as the chapter
 files.

 --- On Thu, 2/4/10, kgrace4...@aol.comkgrace4...@aol.com  wrote:


 I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm,
 Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like
 a book.pdf (all chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf,
 Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be
 accomplished with the setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job.
 I would like now create the individual chapter pdf files in some
 sort of automated fashion. ...



You should also be aware of the implications for inter-book
cross-references when you distill to separate PDFs.  If you have other
files that refer to x-ref sources in your book, they may not work as 
expected (or at all), depending on how you distill the referring file.

If the source book is open when you distill the referring file, the
resulting PDF hyperlinks will point to book.pdf.

If the source book is closed when you distill the referring file, the
resulting PDF hyperlinks will point to Chn.pdf.

Since you are producing both single book.pdf and multiple Chn.pdf files 
from the book, the cross-references should work in either case (unless 
you mess around with the paths).  But you (or your users) may be 
expecting the book.pdf file to open and instead get only the Chn.pdf 
file, or vice versa.

Furthermore, if you have a complicated directory structure, x-refs 
within a book are handled differently when you distill to separate 
files: the hyperlink includes path information when the referring and 
source files are in different directories, so your separate Chn.pdf 
deliverables must be located in a similar directory structure or the 
hyperlinks between them will fail.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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[Art Campbell]

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,   wrote:
> I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
> that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
> chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
> Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
> setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create
> the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
> When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am
> prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
> selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
> combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
> this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode
> i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
> reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
> pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?
>
> Grace
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Printing PDF from Framemaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Yes. I have done something very similar using batch files and Task
Scheduler. I produce PDFs every morning at 0400...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:46 AM
To: kgrace4715 at aol.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

You could use runfm from omsys.com, or set things up in FrameScript.

Art Campbell
   art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers
apply.
   DoD 358



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:36 PM,   wrote:
> I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm)
> that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all
> chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and
> Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the
> setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create
> the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion.
> When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am
> prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the
> selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a
> combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further
> this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent
mode
> i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In
> reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a
> pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?
>
> Grace
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[Stuart Rogers]

On 04/02/2010 10:41 PM, David Spreadbury wrote:
> You want to specify *.ps in Print to File and select Separate File
> for Each Document from Save Book As:. This will give you inidividual
> postscript files for each chapter, named the same as the chapter
> files.
>
> --- On Thu, 2/4/10, kgrace4715 at aol.com  wrote:
>
>
> I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm,
> Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like
> a book.pdf (all chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf,
> Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be
> accomplished with the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job".
> I would like now create the individual chapter pdf files in some
> sort of automated fashion. ...



You should also be aware of the implications for inter-book
cross-references when you distill to separate PDFs.  If you have other
files that refer to x-ref sources in your book, they may not work as 
expected (or at all), depending on how you distill the referring file.

If the source book is open when you distill the referring file, the
resulting PDF hyperlinks will point to book.pdf.

If the source book is closed when you distill the referring file, the
resulting PDF hyperlinks will point to Chn.pdf.

Since you are producing both single book.pdf and multiple Chn.pdf files 
from the book, the cross-references should work in either case (unless 
you mess around with the paths).  But you (or your users) may be 
expecting the book.pdf file to open and instead get only the Chn.pdf 
file, or vice versa.

Furthermore, if you have a complicated directory structure, x-refs 
within a book are handled differently when you distill to separate 
files: the hyperlink includes path information when the referring and 
source files are in different directories, so your separate Chn.pdf 
deliverables must be located in a similar directory structure or the 
hyperlinks between them will fail.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't
intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises."

Buzz Aldrin (1930 - )

Printing PDF from Framemaker

[kgrace4715]

I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) 
that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all 
chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and 
Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the 
setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job. I would like now create 
the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion. 
When I change to the setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job I am 
prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the 
selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a 
combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further 
this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode 
i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In 
reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a 
pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

Grace
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Re: Printing PDF from Framemaker

[David Spreadbury]

You want to specify *.ps in Print to File and select Separate File for Each 
Document from Save Book As:. This will give you inidividual postscript files 
for each chapter, named the same as the chapter files.

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, kgrace4...@aol.com kgrace4...@aol.com wrote:


From: kgrace4...@aol.com kgrace4...@aol.com
Subject: Printing PDF from Framemaker
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:36 PM


I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) 
that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all 
chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and 
Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the 
setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job. I would like now create 
the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion. 
When I change to the setting of Print Book As: Single Print Job I am 
prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the 
selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a 
combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further 
this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode 
i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In 
reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a 
pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

Grace
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[kgrace4...@aol.com]

I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) 
that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all 
chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and 
Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the 
setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create 
the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion. 
When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am 
prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the 
selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a 
combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further 
this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode 
i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In 
reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a 
pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

Grace

Printing PDF from Framemaker

[David Spreadbury]

You want to specify *.ps in Print to File and select Separate File for Each 
Document from Save Book As:. This will give you inidividual postscript files 
for each chapter, named the same as the chapter files.

--- On Thu, 2/4/10, kgrace4715 at aol.com  wrote:


From: kgrace4715 at aol.com <kgrace4...@aol.com>
Subject: Printing PDF from Framemaker
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 9:36 PM


I have book (e.g., book.bk) with files (Ch1.fm, Ch2.fm, Ch3.fm,Ch4.fm) 
that I would like to print as pdf files. I would like a book.pdf (all 
chapter files combined in one file) and Ch1.pdf, Ch2.pdf, Ch3.pdf and 
Ch4.pdf. Printing the book.pdf file can be accomplished with the 
setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job". I would like now create 
the individual chapter pdf files in some sort of automated fashion. 
When I change to the setting of "Print Book As: Single Print Job" I am 
prompted to name each file and location. Is there a way to make the 
selection and have the file name be that of the .fm file and not a 
combination of the book and chapter file name by default. To further 
this it would be real nice if this could be accomplished in silent mode 
i.e., I am not bother with the naming of the individual files. In 
reality there are many more files and over time this is going to be a 
pain. Any ideas on streamlining this workflow?

Grace

Can no longer Print to Adobe PDF using FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Kathy Wells]

Have been happily able to Print to an Adobe PDF printer definition
for months on my laptop and all of a sudden (in the throws of a release,
of course), this quit working. Only out of FrameMaker--I can still
generate a PDF from other applications (for example, Word and Excel).

File  Print Book starts up, but does not prompt me as it normally did for
a file name and location. Then nothing--the PDF file is not created.

Sent an email to Adobe Support and they told me to go pound
sand unless I want to pay :-(. I'd even consider this, but I do not feel
all that positive they would assist me and solve the issue in a timely
manner if at all.

Using Vista Ultimate virus :-(
Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.1.5

I uninstalled and reinstalled both Acrobat and FrameMaker and also deleted
the Adobe PDF printer just to make sure it would be created anew. After
doing this, I can again print to a .ps file (which also was not
working) and then
generate using Distiller, but I am still frustrated and puzzled that
File  Print
Book to the Adobe PDF converter just stopped working :-(.

Any help would be so appreciated.

Kathy
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Can no longer "Print to" Adobe PDF using FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Kathy Wells]

Have been happily able to "Print" to an Adobe PDF printer definition
for months on my laptop and all of a sudden (in the throws of a release,
of course), this quit working. Only out of FrameMaker--I can still
generate a PDF from other applications (for example, Word and Excel).

File > Print Book starts up, but does not prompt me as it normally did for
a file name and location. Then nothing--the PDF file is not created.

Sent an email to Adobe Support and they told me to go pound
sand unless I want to pay :-(. I'd even consider this, but I do not feel
all that positive they would assist me and solve the issue in a timely
manner if at all.

Using Vista Ultimate virus :-(
Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.1.5

I uninstalled and reinstalled both Acrobat and FrameMaker and also deleted
the Adobe PDF printer just to make sure it would be created anew. After
doing this, I can again print to a .ps file (which also was not
working) and then
generate using Distiller, but I am still frustrated and puzzled that
File > Print
Book to the Adobe PDF converter just stopped working :-(.

Any help would be so appreciated.

Kathy

Overprint graphic does not overprint when printing to PDF with FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Simon BUCH]

Dear Framers,

It has been quite a long time since I last accessed FrameUsers ... but I
am now asking if anyone has any experience with issues regarding FM8
printing errors?

The reason I ask is because I have an interesting PDF file, which was
created by our customer using CADscript.  The PDF when opened in Acrobat
[version 6 onwards] displays correctly - with the contours and elevation
of the mountains shown in the custom spot colour.   Acrobat displays the
contours and elevation numbers even if the Acrobat Overprint preview
option is *not* enabled.

When I import the PDF into FrameMaker 7.1, the graphic is shown
correctly.   When I print from FM7.1 to the Adobe PDF printer, the
resultant PDF output also displays correctly.   When I import the PDF
into FrameMaker 8.0p277, the graphic is also shown correctly.

Everything is good so far ... until when I print from FM8.0 to the
Adobe PDF printer, the resultant PDF output makes the overprint area
knocked out.

We have tried FM8 with the Adobe PDF printer from Acrobat 6, Acrobat 8
Elements [the one shipped with FM8] and also the latest Acrobat 9
Professional - all with the same results.

Does anyone have any suggestions, recommendations, etc.?


Regards
// Simon BUCH -- M-AIS
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Overprint graphic does not overprint when printing to PDF with FrameMaker 8.0p277

[Simon BUCH]

Dear Framers,

It has been quite a long time since I last accessed FrameUsers ... but I
am now asking if anyone has any experience with issues regarding FM8
printing errors?

The reason I ask is because I have an interesting PDF file, which was
created by our customer using CADscript.  The PDF when opened in Acrobat
[version 6 onwards] displays correctly - with the contours and elevation
of the mountains shown in the custom spot colour.   Acrobat displays the
contours and elevation numbers even if the Acrobat "Overprint preview"
option is *not* enabled.

When I import the PDF into FrameMaker 7.1, the graphic is shown
correctly.   When I print from FM7.1 to the "Adobe PDF" printer, the
resultant PDF output also displays correctly.   When I import the PDF
into FrameMaker 8.0p277, the graphic is also shown correctly.

Everything is good so far ... until when I print from FM8.0 to the
"Adobe PDF" printer, the resultant PDF output makes the overprint area
knocked out.

We have tried FM8 with the Adobe PDF printer from Acrobat 6, Acrobat 8
Elements [the one shipped with FM8] and also the latest Acrobat 9
Professional - all with the same results.

Does anyone have any suggestions, recommendations, etc.?


Regards
// Simon BUCH -- M-AIS

Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

[D L Reynolds]

I'm trying to import a 3D file into FrameMaker and having no luck at  
all. According to everything I've read...
- the file must be in U3D format
- Acrobat 3D should be used to convert the original CAD file into U3D  
format

I've used Acrobat 3D to convert the CAD file, and per instructions in  
the Acrobat documentation I've selected the U3D ECMA 1 option from  
within the Import tab  3D Format in PDF. A file is generated with a  
PDF filetype, and my understanding is that somehow, internally, the  
3D data are (or should be) in U3D format.

Once that's completed, I import the resulting PDF into FrameMaker.
- The Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box isn't displayed as the  
FrameMaker documentation says it will be.
- Nothing appears in the graphics frame; i.e., there is no preview.
- When I export into PDF format, the image appears but Acrobat 3D  
doesn't recognize it as a 3D object.

When I convert the same CAD files directly into PDF, everything works  
fine. But this 3D image is part of a formatted data sheet, so I  
really need to include it in the FrameMaker file.

I'm using the Technical Communications Suite (Acrobat 3D 8,  
FrameMaker 8) and Windows XP. I've tried two different CAD formats:  
STEP and SLDPRT, both of which are supported by Acrobat 3D.

Any ideas?

As always, sincere thanks for your time and consideration.

--D Reynolds
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RE: Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi D,

There's actually a 3D product that comes with Acrobat 3D, called the 3D 
Toolkit, which is the one that allows you to convert virtually any 3D CAD file 
into a u3D and thus bring it into FrameMaker.

I did a recording awhile back that people have found useful on this very topic 
and it walks you through the steps on how to do this, here's the link in case 
you are interested:

http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p29205929/

Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D L Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:17 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

I'm trying to import a 3D file into FrameMaker and having no luck at
all. According to everything I've read...
- the file must be in U3D format
- Acrobat 3D should be used to convert the original CAD file into U3D
format

I've used Acrobat 3D to convert the CAD file, and per instructions in
the Acrobat documentation I've selected the U3D ECMA 1 option from
within the Import tab  3D Format in PDF. A file is generated with a
PDF filetype, and my understanding is that somehow, internally, the
3D data are (or should be) in U3D format.

Once that's completed, I import the resulting PDF into FrameMaker.
- The Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box isn't displayed as the
FrameMaker documentation says it will be.
- Nothing appears in the graphics frame; i.e., there is no preview.
- When I export into PDF format, the image appears but Acrobat 3D
doesn't recognize it as a 3D object.

When I convert the same CAD files directly into PDF, everything works
fine. But this 3D image is part of a formatted data sheet, so I
really need to include it in the FrameMaker file.

I'm using the Technical Communications Suite (Acrobat 3D 8,
FrameMaker 8) and Windows XP. I've tried two different CAD formats:
STEP and SLDPRT, both of which are supported by Acrobat 3D.

Any ideas?

As always, sincere thanks for your time and consideration.

--D Reynolds
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Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

[RJ Jacquez]

Hi D,

There's actually a 3D product that comes with Acrobat 3D, called the 3D 
Toolkit, which is the one that allows you to convert virtually any 3D CAD file 
into a u3D and thus bring it into FrameMaker.

I did a recording awhile back that people have found useful on this very topic 
and it walks you through the steps on how to do this, here's the link in case 
you are interested:

http://my.adobe.acrobat.com/p29205929/

Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite
Adobe eLearning Solutions
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of D L Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:17 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

I'm trying to import a 3D file into FrameMaker and having no luck at
all. According to everything I've read...
- the file must be in U3D format
- Acrobat 3D should be used to convert the original CAD file into U3D
format

I've used Acrobat 3D to convert the CAD file, and per instructions in
the Acrobat documentation I've selected the U3D ECMA 1 option from
within the Import tab > 3D Format in PDF. A file is generated with a
PDF filetype, and my understanding is that somehow, internally, the
3D data are (or should be) in U3D format.

Once that's completed, I import the resulting PDF into FrameMaker.
- The Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box isn't displayed as the
FrameMaker documentation says it will be.
- Nothing appears in the graphics frame; i.e., there is no preview.
- When I export into PDF format, the image appears but Acrobat 3D
doesn't recognize it as a 3D object.

When I convert the same CAD files directly into PDF, everything works
fine. But this 3D image is part of a formatted data sheet, so I
really need to include it in the FrameMaker file.

I'm using the Technical Communications Suite (Acrobat 3D 8,
FrameMaker 8) and Windows XP. I've tried two different CAD formats:
STEP and SLDPRT, both of which are supported by Acrobat 3D.

Any ideas?

As always, sincere thanks for your time and consideration.

--D Reynolds
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Importing 3D PDF into FrameMaker

[D L Reynolds]

I'm trying to import a 3D file into FrameMaker and having no luck at  
all. According to everything I've read...
- the file must be in U3D format
- Acrobat 3D should be used to convert the original CAD file into U3D  
format

I've used Acrobat 3D to convert the CAD file, and per instructions in  
the Acrobat documentation I've selected the U3D ECMA 1 option from  
within the Import tab > 3D Format in PDF. A file is generated with a  
PDF filetype, and my understanding is that somehow, internally, the  
3D data are (or should be) in U3D format.

Once that's completed, I import the resulting PDF into FrameMaker.
- The Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box isn't displayed as the  
FrameMaker documentation says it will be.
- Nothing appears in the graphics frame; i.e., there is no preview.
- When I export into PDF format, the image appears but Acrobat 3D  
doesn't recognize it as a 3D object.

When I convert the same CAD files directly into PDF, everything works  
fine. But this 3D image is part of a formatted data sheet, so I  
really need to include it in the FrameMaker file.

I'm using the Technical Communications Suite (Acrobat 3D 8,  
FrameMaker 8) and Windows XP. I've tried two different CAD formats:  
STEP and SLDPRT, both of which are supported by Acrobat 3D.

Any ideas?

As always, sincere thanks for your time and consideration.

--D Reynolds

Solution to Problem Printing to PDF from FrameMaker 8

[David Kuhn]

Though nobody asked, I thought it would be a good idea to share a
solution I just received from an Adobe engineer regarding a problem
printing to PDF from FrameMaker 8. 
The scenario: We had a document with multiple conditions. The document
printed OK for two of the conditions, but not the third.
When trying to print a FrameMaker 8 document to PDF, the third condition
resulted in an error message that begins as follows:
Internal Error 8004, 6343724, 8484240, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit.

Following is the unedited response:

As a work around, you can try the following:

1.   Open the book
2.   Open all the files of the book (this is an important
step for things to work).
3.   Do a 'Show All'
4.   Save as Pdf (optional steps)
5.   Set the conditions as before (the third condition)
6.   Save As Pdf.

If you are working on an individual document, open the document, and
start from step 3.

David Kuhn
Technical Writer, PBG


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Solution to Problem Printing to PDF from FrameMaker 8

[David Kuhn]

Though nobody asked, I thought it would be a good idea to share a
solution I just received from an Adobe engineer regarding a problem
printing to PDF from FrameMaker 8. 
The scenario: We had a document with multiple conditions. The document
printed OK for two of the conditions, but not the third.
When trying to print a FrameMaker 8 document to PDF, the third condition
resulted in an error message that begins as follows:
Internal Error 8004, 6343724, 8484240, 0. FrameMaker has detected a
serious problem and must quit.

Following is the unedited response:

As a work around, you can try the following:

1.   Open the book
2.   Open all the files of the book (this is an important
step for things to work).
3.   Do a 'Show All'
4.   Save as Pdf (optional steps)
5.   Set the conditions as before (the third condition)
6.   Save As Pdf.

If you are working on an individual document, open the document, and
start from step 3.

David Kuhn
Technical Writer, PBG


+1.972.9.776.1956 (desk)
+1.972.54.307.8987 (mobile)

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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not be 
a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and 
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better (IMHO).  
There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded 
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have 
access to the original files, using save as html on the Word files got the 
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of books 
when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major project, 
on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's capabilities 
and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process, 
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and various 
tools for working with tags.


Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

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From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe fixing up the RTF to FM filter. If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the RTF to anything else
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM

 Hi all,

 Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever
 consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that
 come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would
 be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert
 their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages,
 believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the
 job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame
 if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

 Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering
 that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had
 an easy way to get there from Word.

 Diane

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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Caroline,

Thanks for the tips.  FYI, I've been using FM since 1992, so practice is not
something I need.  When I started with my current company and found they
still used Word, I immediately wrote a proposal to switch to FM.  It did not
happen immediately, but it is happening now.   I'm getting quotes from a
couple of vendors to convert the docs but I also have to do the math on how
much it will take us to do it ourselves.  We probably have access to the
original graphics, but if not, converting to HTML to extract the graphics is
a good idea.   I have several FM plugins, but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.

Thanks,

Diane

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From: Caroline Tabach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:56 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not
be a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better
(IMHO).  There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten
them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have
access to the original files, using save as html on the Word files got the
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of
books when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major
project, on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's
capabilities and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process,
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and
various tools for working with tags.


Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
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Re: PDF to framemaker

[Karen Mardahl]

Hi Diane

On 1/16/07, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have several FM plugins, but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.


I've never heard of TableCleaner Pro, and Google revealed nothing by
that name, but I have heard of TableCleaner:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm
Rick Quatro wrote it.

My docs have 400-600 tables, so TableCleaner paid for itself the day I
bought it. (In fact, in less than the first hour I had it.)

regards, Karen Mardahl, a very satisfied TableCleaner customer
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Re: PDF to framemaker

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Diane Gaskill wrote:
 ... but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
 forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
 it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.
   
Hi Diane,

I'm also worked with FM since 1994. I think the most of us worked with
FM over 8 to 10 years, so practice is not
something we need, but we all
- need tips and tricks and
- want to make our knowledge available and
- want to help.

In that respect: 
The TableCleaner comes from Rick Quattro and it is the only tool (in my
knowledge) for this purpose.

WoK
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PDF to framemaker

[Caroline Tabach]

The issue is that embedded graphics in Frame is found by many people to not be 
a useful way of working.
If you have a large number of documents which are going to be updated, and 
their graphics will change, then using referenced files is much better (IMHO).  
There are actually a lot more advantages, but I have forgotten them.
Part of the move from Word to FrameMaker is changing from using embedded 
graphics to referenced graphics. As someone mentioned, if we did not have 
access to the original files, using "save as html" on the Word files got the 
graphics out (it took me about a week to fix the graphics in our set of books 
when we made the transfer).

Moving all of your documentation from Word to Frame is indeed a major project, 
on the other hand it is an excellent way to get to know Frame's capabilities 
and practice working on it.

There are a number of utilities out there to help in the transfer process, 
including Table cleaner, which we could not have managed without, and various 
tools for working with tags.


Caroline?Tabach
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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 9:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe "fixing up the RTF to FM filter." If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the "RTF to anything else"
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever
> consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that
> come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would
> be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert
> their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages,
> believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the
> job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame
> if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.
>
> Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering
> that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had
> an easy way to get there from Word.
>
> Diane

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PDF to framemaker

[Wolfgang Ku"hn]

Diane Gaskill wrote:
> ... but not TableCleaner Pro.   I
> forget, is that one of Bruce' Foster's apps or did Chris Despopulous write
> it?   I'll check the website and get it if needed.
>   
Hi Diane,

I'm also worked with FM since 1994. I think the most of us worked with
FM over 8 to 10 years, so practice is not
something we need, but we all
- need tips and tricks and
- want to make our knowledge available and
- want to help.

In that respect: 
The TableCleaner comes from Rick Quattro and it is the only tool (in my
knowledge) for this purpose.

WoK

RE: PDF to framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe fixing up the RTF to FM filter. If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the RTF to anything else
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do 
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov 
 

 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
 
 Hi all,
 
 Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever 
 consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that 
 come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would 
 be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert 
 their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, 
 believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the 
 job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame 
 if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.
 
 Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering 
 that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had 
 an easy way to get there from Word.
 
 Diane
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Re: PDF to framemaker

[Daniel Emory]

--- Peter Ring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dov is of course correct in stating that PDF should
 be considered a final form document format. But, 
 nevertheless, PDF can be used as an 
 input (to Frame)
===
Another effective way to use PDF as an input to
FrameMaker is to use it to import graphs for display
in FrameMaker documents. In this case, however, the
graphs are first created in FrameMaker. The method is
described below.

Step 1. On a new FrameMaker master page, create a
background frame in which you create (using
FrameMaker's drawing tools) the graph's frame (i.e.
the X and Y axes with labeled tickmarks (and perhaps
corresponding horizontal and vertical lines), plus any
additional static text.

Step 2. On a body page in which the background master
page from step 1 is used, employ FrameMaker's drawing
tools to to overlay the background created in step 1
with the foreground graphical plots (lines, curves,
wedges, etc), using different colors diferent dashed
lines, etc as needed. Additional text labels might
also be created in the overlay, as needed, using the
drawing tools.

Step 3. Save the body page created in step 2 as a
1-page PDF with an appropriate filename.

Step 4. Open the PDF created in step 3 and crop it as
needed to eliminate all the white space surrounding
the graphic, and then re-save it as a single-page
document.

Step 5. At the location in a FrameMaker document where
you want the graph to appear, import the PDF produced
in step 4 into a graphic frame, scaling it as needed.

This methodology is particularly useful when the basic
graph background created in step 1 above is used
multiple times to produce different graphical plots.
In that case, each graph created in step 2 is saved to
a separate PDF file in steps 3 and 4.

And of course, the resulting PDF graphics are not
restricted to use in FrameMaker. They can be used in
any software product which can import PDFs.

 

Dan Emory  Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design  Database Publishing
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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe fixing up the RTF to FM filter. If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the RTF to anything else
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM

 Hi all,

 Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever
 consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that
 come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would
 be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert
 their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages,
 believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the
 job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame
 if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

 Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering
 that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had
 an easy way to get there from Word.

 Diane

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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

I frequently get Word files with embedded graphics from our engineers. The
best way I have found to get the content in Frame has been to save the Word
file as both HTML and TXT. I then extract the graphics from the HTML
graphics folder, import the TXT, and reformat according to our template.
I never try to replicate the format of the Word doc. Since our engineers
rarely use styles, all I ever end up with in the RTF is a bunch of
overrides.
Just my $0.02 worth.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean by Adobe fixing
up the RTF to FM filter. If you are finding bugs, by all means officially
report them!

You should be aware that many of the RTF to anything else
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how Microsoft itself
produces and/or interprets RTF in various versions and releases of Word.
Even within a particular version of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of
these have to do with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are copying text from
old Word documents from times prior to that in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Diane Gaskill
 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM

 Hi all,

 Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider 
 fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  
 Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies 
 like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large 
 manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It 
 would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to 
 switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this 
 for us.

 Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more 
 companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get 
 there from Word.

 Diane

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PDF to framemaker

[Peter Ring]

Dov is of course correct in stating that PDF should be considered a 
final form document format. But, nevertheless, PDF can be used as an 
input or intermediate format when converting legacy documents formats to 
XML [1][2].

CambridgeDocs and Exegenix are used by many markup shops, not just for 
one-off conversion of 'old' legacy documents -- also for ongoing 
production. The process is *not* cheap and easy to set up, but it will 
sometimes be the only viable solution. It may be cost-effective compared 
to changing the ways documents are initially created.

kind regards
Peter Ring

[1] http://www.cambridgedocs.com/products/overview/pdf2xml.htm
[2] http://exegenix.com/technology/ecs_engine.html

Dov Isaacs wrote:

> PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
> the context of the graphical objects it represents.
> At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
> can make some guesses as to the original document
> structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
> but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
> as well as the third party products out there try to
> make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
> is about the best they can do. Very little context of
> a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
> resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
> formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters"
> back to those formats, users expectations would be set
> to a level that we could not deliver to.
> 
> Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
> for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
> means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter 
> simply because just about every text consuming program out
> there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
> most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
> retrieval.
> 
>   - Dov

PDF to framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean
by Adobe "fixing up the RTF to FM filter." If you are finding
bugs, by all means officially report them!

You should be aware that many of the "RTF to anything else"
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how
Microsoft itself produces and/or interprets RTF in various
versions and releases of Word. Even within a particular version
of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of these have to do 
with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are
copying text from old Word documents from times prior to that
in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov 


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever 
> consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that 
> come with Frame.  Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would 
> be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert 
> their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, 
> believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the 
> job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame 
> if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us.
> 
> Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering 
> that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had 
> an easy way to get there from Word.
> 
> Diane

PDF to framemaker

[Daniel Emory]

--- Peter Ring  wrote:
> Dov is of course correct in stating that PDF should
> be considered a final form document format. But, 
> nevertheless, PDF can be used as an 
> input (to Frame)
===
Another effective way to use PDF as an input to
FrameMaker is to use it to import graphs for display
in FrameMaker documents. In this case, however, the
graphs are first created in FrameMaker. The method is
described below.

Step 1. On a new FrameMaker master page, create a
background frame in which you create (using
FrameMaker's drawing tools) the graph's frame (i.e.
the X and Y axes with labeled tickmarks (and perhaps
corresponding horizontal and vertical lines), plus any
additional static text.

Step 2. On a body page in which the background master
page from step 1 is used, employ FrameMaker's drawing
tools to to overlay the background created in step 1
with the foreground graphical plots (lines, curves,
wedges, etc), using different colors diferent dashed
lines, etc as needed. Additional text labels might
also be created in the overlay, as needed, using the
drawing tools.

Step 3. Save the body page created in step 2 as a
1-page PDF with an appropriate filename.

Step 4. Open the PDF created in step 3 and crop it as
needed to eliminate all the white space surrounding
the graphic, and then re-save it as a single-page
document.

Step 5. At the location in a FrameMaker document where
you want the graph to appear, import the PDF produced
in step 4 into a graphic frame, scaling it as needed.

This methodology is particularly useful when the basic
graph background created in step 1 above is used
multiple times to produce different graphical plots.
In that case, each graph created in step 2 is saved to
a separate PDF file in steps 3 and 4.

And of course, the resulting PDF graphics are not
restricted to use in FrameMaker. They can be used in
any software product which can import PDFs.



Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing

PDF to framemaker

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

I frequently get Word files with embedded graphics from our engineers. The
best way I have found to get the content in Frame has been to save the Word
file as both HTML and TXT. I then extract the graphics from the HTML
graphics folder, import the TXT, and reformat according to our template.
I never try to replicate the format of the Word doc. Since our engineers
rarely use styles, all I ever end up with in the RTF is a bunch of
overrides.
Just my $0.02 worth.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Dov Isaacs; Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker

Embedded graphics in Word do not come across with the text.  In fact, most
RTF files with graphics in them crash the filter.  It simily stops.  After a
few seconds, it displays an error message about not being able to continue.
This happens with anything except very small files (one or two pages).  Yes,
I realize that Word has many problems (ok, it's full of bugs) and that is
one of the reasons we are switching to FM.

Does Adobe have any recommendations for prepping the word file before trying
to import it?  When previoiusly trying to convert files, I've removed all
the graphics and that helped a lot.  But I assume we shouldn't have to do
that if the filter worked as it is supposed to.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:33 AM
To: Diane Gaskill; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


You could/should be a bit more specific about what you mean by Adobe "fixing
up the RTF to FM filter." If you are finding bugs, by all means officially
report them!

You should be aware that many of the "RTF to anything else"
conversion issues do relate to inconsistencies between how Microsoft itself
produces and/or interprets RTF in various versions and releases of Word.
Even within a particular version of Word, you can see discrepancies. Many of
these have to do with character encodings, especially anything other than
base ASCII characters! This is especially true if you are copying text from
old Word documents from times prior to that in which Unicode was supported.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Diane Gaskill
> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider 
> fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  
> Especially the RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies 
> like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large 
> manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It 
> would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to 
> switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this 
> for us.
>
> Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more 
> companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get 
> there from Word.
>
> Diane

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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

(1) There are a lot of people within Adobe who 
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign converter at 
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of 
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a final form document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a tagged PDF, a converter
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply converters
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter 
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov

 

 -Original Message-
 
 I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't 
 know what FrameMaker is.
 
 Rick Quatro
 
  It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included 
  a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of 
  their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file 
  formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF-FM?
 
  Diane
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RE: PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are a lot of people within Adobe who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign converter at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a final form document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a tagged PDF, a converter
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply converters
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov



 -Original Message-

 I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't
 know what FrameMaker is.

 Rick Quatro

  It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included
  a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of
  their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file
  formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF-FM?
 
  Diane

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PDF to framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

(1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who 
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at 
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of 
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters"
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter 
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> 
> I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't 
> know what FrameMaker is.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> > It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included 
> > a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of 
> > their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file 
> > formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?
> >
> > Diane

PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi all,

Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing
up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame.  Especially the
RTF to FM filter.  It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are
about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800
pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM.  It would have made the job of
convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to
pay an outside vendor to do this for us.

Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more
companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there
from Word.

Diane

-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker


(1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who
don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either!

(2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to
FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at
least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of
these programs understand the problems of trying to
do such reverse engineering of a PDF file.

PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have
the context of the graphical objects it represents.
At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter"
can make some guesses as to the original document
structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables,
but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability
as well as the third party products out there try to
make good guesses as the original formatting, but that
is about the best they can do. Very little context of
a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the
resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those
formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters"
back to those formats, users expectations would be set
to a level that we could not deliver to.

Conversions from PDF should be viewed as and only be used
for emergency retrieval of content that has no other
means of being retrieved. We provide an RTF converter
simply because just about every text consuming program out
there can open or import content in RTF and that does satisfy
most of our customer's needs in terms of such emergency
retrieval.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
>
> I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't
> know what FrameMaker is.
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> > It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has
included
> > a function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of
> > their competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file
> > formats.  Perhaps there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?
> >
> > Diane

RE: PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has included a
function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of their
competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file formats.  Perhaps
there is not enough demand for PDF-FM?

Diane


snip

True... although Recosoft has recently released a product to convert PDF
into an editable *InDesign* document, so I guess they must have thought
there was a commercial need.

http://www.recosoft.com/company/press/news01092007.htm

Same company does lots of other PDF-somethingelse converters, but sadly not
for FrameMaker... unsurprisingly. However, you might be able to use one of
their converters as a stepping stone, but I don't know whether it would give
any advantage over a save to RTF from Acrobat.

--
Steve

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Re: PDF to framemaker

[Rick Quatro]

I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't know what 
FrameMaker is.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has included a
function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of their
competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file formats.  Perhaps
there is not enough demand for PDF-FM?

Diane


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PDF to framemaker

[Diane Gaskill]

It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has included a
function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of their
competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file formats.  Perhaps
there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?

Diane




True... although Recosoft has recently released a product to convert PDF
into an editable *InDesign* document, so I guess they must have thought
there was a commercial need.



Same company does lots of other PDF->somethingelse converters, but sadly not
for FrameMaker... unsurprisingly. However, you might be able to use one of
their converters as a stepping stone, but I don't know whether it would give
any advantage over a save to RTF from Acrobat.

--
Steve

PDF to framemaker

[Rick Quatro]

I am sure there are a lot of people within Adobe that don't know what 
FrameMaker is.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> It always puzzles me how companies make decisions.  Adobe has included a
> function within Acrobat to convert PDF to RTF, the file format of their
> competitor, but not to FM which is one of their own file formats.  Perhaps
> there is not enough demand for PDF->FM?
>
> Diane

Re: PDF to framemaker

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Steve.

Steve Rickaby wrote:

Same company does lots of other PDF-somethingelse converters, but sadly not 
for FrameMaker... unsurprisingly. However, you might be able to use one of their 
converters as a stepping stone, but I don't know whether it would give any 
advantage over a save to RTF from Acrobat.


One advantage ... some of the better ones (like the one I mentioned from
Nuance called PDF Convertor Pro) do a pretty decent job of converting and
recognizing tables and bulleted lists in the PDF and putting these directly
into the resulting Word document.

This makes the job a bit easier when reading the RTF output from Word (into
the final FrameMaker destination).

Not perfect, but workable.

Z
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PDF to framemaker

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:06 -0500 11/1/07, Kenneth C. Benson wrote:

>PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is
>set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to
>formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and
>judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source
>applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any
>degree of reliability.

True... although Recosoft has recently released a product to convert PDF into 
an editable *InDesign* document, so I guess they must have thought there was a 
commercial need.



Same company does lots of other PDF->somethingelse converters, but sadly not 
for FrameMaker... unsurprisingly. However, you might be able to use one of 
their converters as a stepping stone, but I don't know whether it would give 
any advantage over a save to RTF from Acrobat.

-- 
Steve

PDF to framemaker

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Hi, Steve.

Steve Rickaby wrote:
> Same company does lots of other PDF->somethingelse converters, but sadly not 
> for FrameMaker... unsurprisingly. However, you might be able to use one of 
> their converters as a stepping stone, but I don't know whether it would give 
> any advantage over a save to RTF from Acrobat.

One advantage ... some of the better ones (like the one I mentioned from
Nuance called PDF Convertor Pro) do a pretty decent job of converting and
recognizing tables and bulleted lists in the PDF and putting these directly
into the resulting Word document.

This makes the job a bit easier when reading the RTF output from Word (into
the final FrameMaker destination).

Not perfect, but workable.

Z

Re: PDF to framemaker

[Kenneth C. Benson]

PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is
set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to
formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and
judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source
applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any
degree of reliability.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

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Re: PDF to framemaker

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:

PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is
set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to
formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and
judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source
applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any
degree of reliability.


What I use, when forced to, is convert the PDF back to MS Word
(using PDF Converter Professional from Nuance) and then output
it in RTF and back into FrameMaker.

This is not perfect, since it needs cleanup after the final import
into FrameMaker, but it does the trick on the rare occasions when
the need arises. With surprisingly clean results, and much less
time than re-entering all the typing again.

But, I would not want to automate this process - the results would
be terrible without the final edits in FrameMaker after the RTF is
brought in. In other words, it is not something that allows me to go
back and forth on a daily basis!

Z
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PDF to framemaker

[Surbhi Singhal]

Hello Framers

Could anyone guide me on any utility that converts pdf to Framemaker keeping
the layout and formatting intact.
I have been doing the same using the RTF option; but if anybody on the list
of some converter tool, that would be more then good. :)

Thanx for your help

Regards
Surbhi

PDF to framemaker

[Kenneth C. Benson]

PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is
set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to
formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and
judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source
applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any
degree of reliability.

Kenneth Benson
Pegasus Type, Inc.
www.pegtype.com

PDF to framemaker

[Syed Zaeem Hosain]

Kenneth C. Benson wrote:
> PDF is mostly a one-way street. It's an end product. The text in a PDF is
> set line by line and page by page. Any method of converting PDF back to
> formatted text and graphics is going to involve a good deal of work and
> judgment. PDFs are complex enough and generated from enough different source
> applications that I can't imagine a tool that could do this for you with any
> degree of reliability.

What I use, when forced to, is convert the PDF back to MS Word
(using PDF Converter Professional from Nuance) and then output
it in RTF and back into FrameMaker.

This is not perfect, since it needs cleanup after the final import
into FrameMaker, but it does the trick on the rare occasions when
the need arises. With surprisingly clean results, and much less
time than re-entering all the typing again.

But, I would not want to "automate" this process - the results would
be terrible without the final edits in FrameMaker after the RTF is
brought in. In other words, it is not something that allows me to "go
back and forth" on a daily basis!

Z

Re: Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[rebecca officer]

According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Cheers, Rebecca


 Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/07/06 17:45 
During the years before Frame 7.0 was released, there were many, many
messages on this list regarding using Save As PDF in FM 6.0.  It worked
for
a few people who happened to have the right printer driver set up but
many
people complained that they were not getting the results they needed. 
A
certain Adobe employee who sometimes posts on this list said many
times,
DON'T USE Save As PDF in FM 6.0 because it is badly broken and usually
gives
undesired results.  When FM 7.0 was released, that same employee did
announce on this list that Save As PDF works correctly in FM 7.0 and
was OK
to use.

Personally, however, I still print to postscript and then distill.  It
always works.

Diane

==

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:29 AM
To: Spreadbury, David
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0


 But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
 FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
 File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
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Re: Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Shlomo Perets]

Rebecca Officer wrote:


According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)


Some additional issues related to Save as PDF are listed in FrameMaker 
Annoyances -- under different FM releases, such as:


* The Save as PDF function does not report switching of drivers – output 
may not match current FrameMaker layout (line breaks, page breaks) or 
reflect missing fonts. (unless Adobe PDF is the default printer driver)


* The combination of Save as PDF and Tagged PDF may result in some 
anomalies, such as missing text in shaded table cells.


Other issues have been mentioned in the mailing list, see below.

However way the PDF is produced, it should be thoroughly tested.

Shlomo



Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:14:55 +0200
To: Martin Polley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rename PDF, xrefs stop working (more)
Cc: Framers@FrameUsers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Martin,

You wrote:


With some of the PDFs that I create, if I rename them, the
cross-references stop working, giving this error:

The specified file old file name does not exist.

Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Is there a workaround?
(Other than don't rename the file...)


As I mentioned earlier, some of the older FrameMaker 5.x versions specify 
internal links with a file name target, in which case renaming the PDF 
causes bad links (even when the PDF is stand-alone, with no links pointing 
to it from other PDFs).


Upon further examination, I was able to reproduce the creation of PDF 
links which use a filename even though the link is internal in FrameMaker 
7.0, 7.1 and 7.2, but only when Save as PDF was used.  In the same 
tests, the problem was not encountered even once when printing books to a 
.ps file and then distilling to PDF.


Given this FrameMaker bug, we may have yet another reason to stick to the 
original PDF file names, yet another reason to print to .ps rather than 
Save as PDF, and yet another reason to test PDF links carefully...



Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training  consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[rebecca officer]

According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Diane Gaskill"  18/07/06 17:45 >>>
During the years before Frame 7.0 was released, there were many, many
messages on this list regarding using Save As PDF in FM 6.0.  It worked
for
a few people who happened to have the right printer driver set up but
many
people complained that they were not getting the results they needed. 
A
certain Adobe employee who sometimes posts on this list said many
times,
DON'T USE Save As PDF in FM 6.0 because it is badly broken and usually
gives
undesired results.  When FM 7.0 was released, that same employee did
announce on this list that Save As PDF works correctly in FM 7.0 and
was OK
to use.

Personally, however, I still print to postscript and then distill.  It
always works.

Diane

==

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On

Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:29 AM
To: Spreadbury, David
Cc: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0


> But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
> FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
> File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com 
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Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Shlomo Perets]

Rebecca Officer wrote:

>According to Shlomo Perets' website
>(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
>with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
>page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.
>
>We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Some additional issues related to "Save as PDF" are listed in "FrameMaker 
Annoyances" -- under different FM releases, such as:

* The Save as PDF function does not report switching of drivers ? output 
may not match current FrameMaker layout (line breaks, page breaks) or 
reflect missing fonts. (unless "Adobe PDF" is the default printer driver)

* The combination of "Save as PDF" and Tagged PDF may result in some 
anomalies, such as missing text in shaded table cells.

Other issues have been mentioned in the mailing list, see below.

However way the PDF is produced, it should be thoroughly tested.

Shlomo


>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:14:55 +0200
>To: Martin Polley 
>From: Shlomo Perets 
>Subject: Re: Rename PDF, xrefs stop working (more)
>Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com, frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com, 
>Kathy.Bowman at saabsystems.com.au, james.brandal at c2i.net
>
>Martin,
>
>You wrote:
>
>>With some of the PDFs that I create, if I rename them, the
>>cross-references stop working, giving this error:
>>
>> The specified file  does not exist.
>>
>>Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Is there a workaround?
>>(Other than "don't rename the file"...)
>
>As I mentioned earlier, some of the older FrameMaker 5.x versions specify 
>internal links with a file name target, in which case renaming the PDF 
>causes bad links (even when the PDF is stand-alone, with no links pointing 
>to it from other PDFs).
>
>Upon further examination, I was able to reproduce the creation of PDF 
>links which use a filename even though the link is internal in FrameMaker 
>7.0, 7.1 and 7.2, but only when "Save as PDF" was used.  In the same 
>tests, the problem was not encountered even once when printing books to a 
>.ps file and then distilling to PDF.
>
>Given this FrameMaker bug, we may have yet another reason to stick to the 
>original PDF file names, yet another reason to print to .ps rather than 
>Save as PDF, and yet another reason to test PDF links carefully...
>
>
>Shlomo Perets
>
>MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Paul Grigg]

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 




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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Spreadbury, David]

There are numerous articles and threads on this subject in the archives,
if they are working this morning.

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

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Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Beck, Charles]

You don't even need to Print to file if you use an Adobe printer
driver when printing to PDF. In versions 7.x, the printer driver is
Adobe PDF. (I forget just now which one it is in version 6.x--Acrobat
Distiller, maybe?) 

When you do it this way (making sure to *clear* the Print to file
check box), you don't have to later look up the file and distill it. The
print process prompts you for a PDF file name, and then proceeds to
print and distill to PDF wherever you tell it to put the output. 

I've never had a problem doing it this way in Frame 6 or 7--though I
*have* had problems saving as PDF.

HTH,
Chuck
 

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-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

snipBut, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul

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Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Doug]

Now that we use Frame 7 we've never had problems with Saving as PDF.

--Doug


snipBut, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

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Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Bill Swallow]

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.


I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

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Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Bill Swallow]

We have a similar docs payload, and have custom job options that we
just load and run on save-as. Laziness has its benefits. :-)

On 7/17/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As - PDF. We have 10
writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it this way and we don't
have any problems with Save As - PDF.


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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Spreadbury, David]

I never said it didn't work, only that it was problematic. Your mileage
may vary (YMMV) on the use of Save As PDF.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:36 AM
To: John Posada
Cc: Spreadbury, David; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

We have a similar docs payload, and have custom job options that we
just load and run on save-as. Laziness has its benefits. :-)

On 7/17/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As - PDF. We have 10
 writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it this way and we don't
 have any problems with Save As - PDF.

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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Joe Malin]

Dunno, but I have been using the Adobe PDF driver + write to file +
distilling for nearly five years now without any problems on both
unstructured and structured FM versions 6.0 - 7.1. I haven't yet run
into a need for save as PDF.

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Of Paul Grigg
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:06 AM
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Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

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RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[John Posada]

David...And I didn't just say it worked...I said it worked 100% of
the time without problems. In your experience, how is using Save As
- PDF, in version 7.x, problematic?

In version 7.x, what problems have you experienced?

--- Spreadbury, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I never said it didn't work, only that it was problematic. Your
 mileage may vary (YMMV) on the use of Save As PDF.
 
 On 7/17/06, John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As - PDF. 
  We have 10 writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it 
  this way and we don't have any problems with Save As - PDF.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is.
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Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Paul Grigg]

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Spreadbury, David]

There are numerous articles and threads on this subject in the archives,
if they are working this morning.

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of Paul Grigg
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:06 AM
To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

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Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Beck, Charles]

You don't even need to "Print to file" if you use an Adobe printer
driver when printing to PDF. In versions 7.x, the printer driver is
"Adobe PDF." (I forget just now which one it is in version 6.x--"Acrobat
Distiller", maybe?) 

When you do it this way (making sure to *clear* the "Print to file"
check box), you don't have to later look up the file and distill it. The
print process prompts you for a PDF file name, and then proceeds to
print and distill to PDF wherever you tell it to put the output. 

I've never had a problem doing it this way in Frame 6 or 7--though I
*have* had problems "saving as PDF".

HTH,
Chuck


Chuck Beck | Sr. Information Developer | Infor Global Solutions, Inc. |
Office: 614-523-7302 | Charles.Beck at infor.com 


-Original Message-
To: Paul Grigg; framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

-Original Message-
To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Doug]

Now that we use Frame 7 we've never had problems with Saving as PDF.

--Doug

> But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
> FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
> File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Bill Swallow]

> But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
> FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
> File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[John Posada]

We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As -> PDF. We have 10
writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it this way and we don't
have any problems with Save As -> PDF. 

> > But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions
> > of FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using
> > Print to File and then Distilling eliminates all of these
> > problems.
> 
> I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally 
> fixed. But yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to 
> print to file.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Bill Swallow]

We have a similar docs payload, and have custom job options that we
just load and run on save-as. Laziness has its benefits. :-)

On 7/17/06, John Posada  wrote:
> We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As -> PDF. We have 10
> writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it this way and we don't
> have any problems with Save As -> PDF.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Spreadbury, David]

I never said it didn't work, only that it was problematic. Your mileage
may vary (YMMV) on the use of Save As PDF.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:36 AM
To: John Posada
Cc: Spreadbury, David; framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

We have a similar docs payload, and have custom job options that we
just load and run on save-as. Laziness has its benefits. :-)

On 7/17/06, John Posada  wrote:
> We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As -> PDF. We have 10
> writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it this way and we don't
> have any problems with Save As -> PDF.

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Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Stuart Rogers]

Paul Grigg wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
> over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?


In FM 6, yup, a lot of disadvantages; somewhat fewer in later versions. 
See http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html
for the full story.

If you install Setprint from Sundorne
http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm
you can set up Distiller (or Adobe PDF or whatever your version of it is 
called) as the default printer within FM, while leaving your regular h/w 
printer as the default in other applications. Then you can simply print 
your FM docs to PDF.


-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification 
for selfishness."

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Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Joe Malin]

Dunno, but I have been using the Adobe PDF driver + write to file +
distilling for nearly five years now without any problems on both
unstructured and structured FM versions 6.0 - 7.1. I haven't yet run
into a need for "save as PDF".

Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Grigg
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:06 AM
To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[John Posada]

David...And I didn't just say it worked...I said it worked 100% of
the time without problems. In your experience, how is using Save As
-> PDF, in version 7.x, problematic?

In version 7.x, what problems have you experienced?

--- "Spreadbury, David"  wrote:

> I never said it didn't work, only that it was problematic. Your
> mileage may vary (YMMV) on the use of Save As PDF.
> 
> On 7/17/06, John Posada  wrote:
> > We're on 7.1 and 7.2. Out policy is to use Save As -> PDF. 
> > We have 10 writers maintaining almost 100 books doing it 
> > this way and we don't have any problems with Save As -> PDF.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

[Diane Gaskill]

During the years before Frame 7.0 was released, there were many, many
messages on this list regarding using Save As PDF in FM 6.0.  It worked for
a few people who happened to have the right printer driver set up but many
people complained that they were not getting the results they needed.  A
certain Adobe employee who sometimes posts on this list said many times,
DON'T USE Save As PDF in FM 6.0 because it is badly broken and usually gives
undesired results.  When FM 7.0 was released, that same employee did
announce on this list that Save As PDF works correctly in FM 7.0 and was OK
to use.

Personally, however, I still print to postscript and then distill.  It
always works.

Diane

==

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From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:29 AM
To: Spreadbury, David
Cc: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0


> But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
> FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
> File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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PDF to FrameMaker?

[Pat Christenson]

Thanks to everyone who replied.

This was a small, one-time job so save as RTF was the best solution but 
it's great to know there are other options.

Pat

Re: PDF to FrameMaker?

[Art Campbell]

In Acrobat, Save As .RTF. Depending on your version, you may or may
not have to export the graphics manually.

Open in FM.

Your mileage will vary greatly depending on what you expect as far as
formatting,
cross-refs and so on. But the gist of the info will be there.

Art

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 Hi -

 FrameMaker 7, Windows 2000 Professional.

 Does anyone know of a way to convert a PDF to FrameMaker? I'm not talking 
 about placing the PDF as a graphic image but actually converting it to live 
 text and graphics. The only thing I can think of is cut-and-paste text and 
 save out the graphics.

 Thanks in advance.

 Pat


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Re: PDF to FrameMaker?

[pxenson]

Thanks, Art.

Pat

 -- Original message --
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In Acrobat, Save As .RTF. Depending on your version, you may or may
 not have to export the graphics manually.
 
 Open in FM.
 
 Your mileage will vary greatly depending on what you expect as far as
 formatting,
 cross-refs and so on. But the gist of the info will be there.
 
 Art
 
 On 3/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi -
 
  FrameMaker 7, Windows 2000 Professional.
 
  Does anyone know of a way to convert a PDF to FrameMaker? I'm not talking 
 about placing the PDF as a graphic image but actually converting it to live 
 text 
 and graphics. The only thing I can think of is cut-and-paste text and save 
 out 
 the graphics.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Pat
 
 
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