RE: Quark versus FrameMaker
Quark does not seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global change in the document very difficult. Quark, InDesign, and FrameMaker all have a similar book feature. There are differences in what they can sync however, based on what features they provide. For example, Quark cannot sync master pages, while Frame and IDCS3 can. There are a number of other document-specific features that I use in FrameMaker that Quark just doesn't do, or doesn't do as well. True enough. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Quark versus FrameMaker
> Quark does not > seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global > change in the document very difficult. Quark, InDesign, and FrameMaker all have a similar book feature. There are differences in what they can sync however, based on what features they provide. For example, Quark cannot sync master pages, while Frame and IDCS3 can. >There are a number of other > document-specific features that I use in FrameMaker that Quark just > doesn't do, or doesn't do as well. True enough. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Re: Quark versus FrameMaker
I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: Q: I¹m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my books. Any advice? A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text), multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles, variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not available on the Mac. *Available in InDesign using InCopy **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions about the three programs. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Quark versus FrameMaker
Actually that is not strictly correct. There are a wide range of variables that can be used in QXP for number of defined purposes and if you are using Quark Tags (somewhat similar in its execution to MIF) the range is much wider. However the functionality built into it is not as extensive as FMs. Are you referring to XPress tags, Synchronized Text/Shared Content, or XML tags? XPress tags, for the most part, are for inserting codes for formatting and indexing info. As far as I know, it does not have a feature that works similar to the FrameMaker or InDesign variables. Shared Content is useful, but not the same way as Frame/ID variables. Text content is for an entire Item (a.k.a. Frame or Object), not for in-line text. If XML, the same general process can also work with Frame and InDesign. Can you clarify your usage of Quark Tags as variables? David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Quark versus FrameMaker
On Linda Lecomte at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/30/07 8:36 AM: Thanks David. This was helpful and I probably will have more questions. I do have two right now: What do you mean by Quark does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively. Also, is outsourcing this project to you an option. I might consider that if they insist on Quark. Please let me know when you have a chance. Thanks! The are third-party XTensions (plug-ins): Gluon.com Pro for Bullets Numbers VirginaSystems.com for Cross-Reference Generator, Figure and Table Numbering, and Foonote/Endnote Management. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Quark versus FrameMaker
I love Quark and InDesign, and learned to like PageMaker too back in the day, but these are desktop publishing applications. They are for creating layouts. FrameMaker, on the other hand, is a document management tool. It's better for authoring, in my view. Microsoft Word is a kind of hybrid that does 90% of things 90% well, and OpenOffice is a Java-based text editor that pretends to do layout and document management. Just my two cents on the stage of the authoring tools right now. --- Holwell, Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very well it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC Index, -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: Q: I¹m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my books. Any advice? A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text), multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles, variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not available on the Mac. *Available in InDesign using InCopy **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions about the three programs. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pat.holwell%40idearc.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/athloi%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Quark versus FrameMaker
We've used both Quark and FrameMaker. My colleague, a diehard Quark user, has agreed that for the documents we are creating (user manuals for medical devices) FrameMaker is the better way to go. Quark does not seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global change in the document very difficult. There are a number of other document-specific features that I use in FrameMaker that Quark just doesn't do, or doesn't do as well. Regards, Sylvia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda Lecomte Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Quark versus FrameMaker Hi Everyone, I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. I appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Regards, Linda Lecomte Owner Chief Writer relevant space, llc www.relevantspace.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sjclarke%40hvc.rr.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Quark versus FrameMaker
As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very well it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC Index, -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: Q: I¹m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my books. Any advice? A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text), multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles, variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not available on the Mac. *Available in InDesign using InCopy **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions about the three programs. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pat.holwell%40idearc.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Quark versus FrameMaker
If I may, a quick question about InDesign. Can InDesign import xml and have the information act like it does in Frame. Background: We use Frame as part of our software we have designed. This software does marketing and is also able to export and then import into Frame to create large Industrial Catalogs. Very technical with images. We can also export and import into InDesign. However when we autoflow a stream of data (data consisting of feature information, table ordering information and an image) the autoflow is just one big text block. You can't tell one product to straddle while another to fit in column, etc., like you do with Frame. So I teach our clients to drag the individual pieces that make up the data into the InDesign template and individually layout their pages. I think there is way to have an automated import of data act like Frame in InDesign, we just haven't scratched at it enough. Is this possible? InDesign can import and work with XML data similar to FrameMaker, but I don't think ID handles it as well as Frame (yet). ID does not do straddled text like Frame, so while you could automate text, a table, or a graphic being imported into an anchored frame/object, the type would not flow the same as it does in Frame. (ID flows top-to-bottom, left-to-right; Frame will split the flow above-and-below the straddled element.) David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Quark versus FrameMaker
Hi Everyone, I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. I appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Regards, Linda Lecomte Owner & Chief Writer relevant space, llc www.relevantspace.com
Quark versus FrameMaker
> I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their > technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I > suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as > more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. > > Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any > advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess > what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over > Quark. > This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: Q: I?m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my books. Any advice? A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text), multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles, variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not available on the Mac. *Available in InDesign using InCopy **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions about the three programs. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988)
Quark versus FrameMaker
> If I may, a quick question about InDesign. Can InDesign import xml > and have the information act like it does in Frame. > Background: > We use Frame as part of our software we have designed. This software > does marketing and is also able to export and then import into Frame > to create large Industrial Catalogs. Very technical with images. We > can also export and import into InDesign. However when we autoflow a > stream of data (data consisting of feature information, table > ordering information and an image) the autoflow is just one big text > block. You can't tell one product to straddle while another to fit in > column, etc., like you do with Frame. > So I teach our clients to drag the individual pieces that make up the > data into the InDesign template and individually layout their pages. > I think there is way to have an automated import of data act like > Frame in InDesign, we just haven't scratched at it enough. > Is this possible? InDesign can import and work with XML data similar to FrameMaker, but I don't think ID handles it as well as Frame (yet). ID does not do straddled text like Frame, so while you could automate text, a table, or a graphic being imported into an anchored frame/object, the type would not flow the same as it does in Frame. (ID flows top-to-bottom, left-to-right; Frame will split the flow above-and-below the straddled element.) David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Quark versus FrameMaker
We've used both Quark and FrameMaker. My colleague, a diehard Quark user, has agreed that for the documents we are creating (user manuals for medical devices) FrameMaker is the better way to go. Quark does not seem to have features for creating books which makes making a global change in the document very difficult. There are a number of other document-specific features that I use in FrameMaker that Quark just doesn't do, or doesn't do as well. Regards, Sylvia -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda Lecomte Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:56 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Quark versus FrameMaker Hi Everyone, I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. I appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Regards, Linda Lecomte Owner & Chief Writer relevant space, llc www.relevantspace.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sjclarke at hvc.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sjclarke%40hvc.rr.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Quark versus FrameMaker
As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very well & it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC & Index, -- -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker > I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their > technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I > suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as > more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. > > Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any > advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess > what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over > Quark. > This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it concerns InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: Q: I?m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing my books. Any advice? A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, InDesign is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized (but important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show text), multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the graphics area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like effects, the standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and better PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table styles, variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text formatting. I should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker not available on the Mac. *Available in InDesign using InCopy **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does not have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions about the three programs. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as pat.holwell at idearc.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pat.holwell%40idearc.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Quark versus FrameMaker
I love Quark and InDesign, and learned to like PageMaker too back in the day, but these are desktop publishing applications. They are for creating layouts. FrameMaker, on the other hand, is a document management tool. It's better for authoring, in my view. Microsoft Word is a kind of hybrid that does 90% of things 90% well, and OpenOffice is a Java-based text editor that pretends to do layout and document management. Just my two cents on the stage of the authoring tools right now. --- "Holwell, Pat" wrote: > As noted, Quark is really a designing application and not really > meant for writing documentation. We tried using it in my > organization, but found that it couldn't handle large manuals very > well & it crashed everytime we tried to generate a TOC & Index, > > -- > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David > Creamer > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:06 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Quark versus FrameMaker > > > I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand > their > > technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their > new brand. I > > suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought > of Quark as > > more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. > > > > Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would > appreciate any > > advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical > documentation. I guess > > what I am really looking for is information to sell them on > FrameMaker over > > Quark. > > > This was a questions I answered recently for Layers Magazine--it > concerns > InDesign and FrameMaker, but I will discuss QuarkXPress at the end: > > Q: I?m trying to decide between InDesign and FrameMaker for producing > my > books. Any advice? > A: Both programs are very good for producing books, but generally, > InDesign > is better graphically, while FrameMaker is better in some specialized > (but > important) areas. For example, Frame has conditional text (hide/show > text), > multiple indices, more advanced XML support, track changes*, > cross-referencing**, document compare, built-in equation editor**, > cross-column headlines, and table footnotes. InDesign excels in the > graphics > area, including native Illustrator and Photoshop import with full > transparency support, built-in transparency and Photoshop-like > effects, the > standard Adobe pen tool, color management, multi-media support, and > better > PDF export. Features that are more-or-less equal include table > styles, > variables, numbered lists, anchored graphics, and overall text > formatting. I > should also mention that InDesign is cross-platform, while FrameMaker > not > available on the Mac. > > *Available in InDesign using InCopy > **Available in InDesign as third-party plug-in > > Comparing QuarkXPress to InDesign... > Quark's tables are very limited, it does not do numbered lists or > footnotes > natively, it's text formatting/editing is not as capable, and it does > not > have variables (or any of the above mentioned Frame features). > > This comparison is not meant to be complete. Feel free to contact me > if you > have any other questions about the three programs. > > David Creamer > I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training > http://www.IDEAStraining.com > Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert in FrameMaker and InDesign > Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as pat.holwell at idearc.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pat.holwell%40idearc.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as athloi at yahoo.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/athloi%40yahoo.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
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On Linda Lecomte at lecomte at comcast.net wrote on 11/30/07 8:36 AM: > Thanks David. This was helpful and I probably will have more questions. I do > have two right now: > What do you mean by Quark does not do numbered lists or footnotes natively. > Also, is outsourcing this project to you an option. I might consider that if > they insist on Quark. Please let me know when you have a chance. Thanks! The are third-party XTensions (plug-ins): Gluon.com Pro for Bullets & Numbers VirginaSystems.com for Cross-Reference Generator, Figure and Table Numbering, and Foonote/Endnote Management. David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Quark versus FrameMaker
> Actually that is not strictly correct. There are a wide range of > variables that can be used in QXP for number of defined purposes and > if you are using Quark Tags (somewhat similar in its execution to MIF) > the range is much wider. However the functionality built into it is > not as extensive as FMs. Are you referring to XPress tags, Synchronized Text/Shared Content, or XML tags? XPress tags, for the most part, are for inserting codes for formatting and indexing info. As far as I know, it does not have a feature that works similar to the FrameMaker or InDesign variables. Shared Content is useful, but not the same way as Frame/ID variables. Text content is for an entire Item (a.k.a. Frame or Object), not for in-line text. If XML, the same general process can also work with Frame and InDesign. Can you clarify your usage of Quark Tags as variables? David Creamer I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training http://www.IDEAStraining.com Adobe Certified Trainer & Expert (since 1995) Authorized Quark Training Provider (since 1988) Markzware, Enfocus, FileMaker Certified
Quark versus FrameMaker
Hi Everyone, I have a client who has just been acquired. They want me to rebrand their technical documentation (currently in Word) to comply with their new brand. I suggested FrameMaker, but they are pushing Quark. I alway thought of Quark as more appropriate for designers that do brochures, etc. Has anyone used Quark for technical documentation? I would appreciate any advice/feedback on using this tool to create technical documentation. I guess what I am really looking for is information to sell them on FrameMaker over Quark. I appreciate any help. Thanks! -- Regards, Linda Lecomte Owner Chief Writer relevant space, llc www.relevantspace.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
