RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the
You probably don't get much of a discount with a jump that big, but contact Adobe to find out. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: May-14-15 2:14 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: : Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the Thanks for the good ideas. I am sure I need the full version of Acrobat on my system for commenting etc. and working in other applications. However, I wonder how much it will cost in my region. From Frame 7.2 you can upgrade to TC5? As from what I recollect I cannot upgrade FrameMaker itself for so many versions Message: 7 Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 17:11:09 -0700 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com To: framers Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Message-ID: CAN3Yy4DtAUHDd=Fj3uLEzqNAf0aONSB8ijykxBt17K6czBSd=a...@mail.gmail.commailto:CAN3Yy4DtAUHDd=Fj3uLEzqNAf0aONSB8ijykxBt17K6czBSd=a...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There's no upgrade pricing from 7.2 to FrameMaker 12, but there is for TCS 5. So the price difference is only $200. Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Tel: +972-077-7745-042| carol...@radcom.commailto:carol...@radcom.com | www.radcom.comhttp://www.radcom.com/ [RADCOM_Logo_Radically_email]http://www.radcom.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: : Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the
In the US, upgrades to FM12 are from 10 or 11 only. Could be different in other countries. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: As from what I recollect I cannot upgrade FrameMaker itself for so many versions ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: : Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the
I was remiss in saying that the FM 7.2 upgrade to FM12 was $800. I had forgotten that in comparing the prices back when TCS5 was first released that I had a FM 10 license that I could upgrade as well as a FM 7.0 license. So the only upgrade path was for FM 7.x was to get TCS 5 for $1200. Worth it, I think. Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
I can endorse the stability of FM12 - I was looking for the crash log location the other day realized that I haven't had a crash yet with it (unlike almost daily ones with FM11). -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Sent: May-13-15 3:41 AM To: Robert Lauriston; Caroline Tabach; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Shmuel shmue...@gmail.com wrote: FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) Here's my list of bugs from FM10 (I had most of these problems with FM9 but didn't have to use it enough to bother making a list), have they all been fixed? 1. Document window size and position are not saved. 2. Docked panels often appear behind the document window, and I have to resize, minimize, or close the document window to use them. Since window size and position are not saved, I have to resize them dozens of times a day. 3. Sometimes I have the opposite problem: the side of a window is completely blocked by the character or paragraph tag catalog, so I have to minimize, close, or move the panel before I can resize the window. 4. When I open a panel, sometimes it appears behind another panel that's already open, and I have to move one or the other before I can use it. 5. The first time I press Ctrl-f, I can just type the search string, but after that the focus within the Find/Change seems to be random, so I can't. 6. After a book has been open for a while, it no longer responds to menu commands. I can double-click files to open them or use the right-click menu, but if I try to select a menu command such as Edit Update Book or File Save As PDF the book window minimizes and is no longer active. The only workaround I've found is to close and reopen the book window, which I end up doing dozens of times a day. 7. A separate FrameMaker button appears on the taskbar for each file that's open. 8. The FrameMaker console window appears behind the application window. Bringing it to the front is sometimes difficult. 9. When I first start FrameMaker, Ctrl-F6 switches between open windows. After a while, it stops working. (I can use alt-key menu navigation.) 10. Alt-key menu letters are not displayed for all menu commands (e.g. Documents on the Window menu). 11. If I Alt-Tab to FrameMaker from another application, pressing Alt-Tab again takes me to another FrameMaker document window (if more than one document is open) instead of back to the other application. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
That's good to know, as it is always difficult to change things like that, that you have got used to Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Tel: +972-077-7745-042| carol...@radcom.com | www.radcom.com -Original Message- From: Shmuel [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:41 To: Robert Lauriston; Caroline Tabach; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version FM9 broke some keyboard shortcuts but in FM11 they work again. (I skipped over 10, so I don't know about 10.) The only thing is that the first time after opening FM, when you use certain keyboard shortcuts like F9, there is a few second delay. After that it's fine and all of them work, F8, F9, etc. They also have added some nice keyboard shortcuts for repeating the last command (previously there was one for repeating character command and one for repeating paragraph commands), and adding/removing conditional text. I've heard 12 is even better than 11 in terms of stability, aside from the additions. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 12-May-15 9:57 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
No, Unicode was FM8. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com wrote: ... I think at 7.2 you're over the Unicode barrier already ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
Thanks, couldn't remember when that was ;) -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: May-12-15 2:59 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version No, Unicode was FM8. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:53 AM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com wrote: ... I think at 7.2 you're over the Unicode barrier already ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
Thanks. I do have a few keyboard short cuts that I use a lot, I will try to get them to give me another computer so I can download an evaluation version to play around with. Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Tel: +972-077-7745-042| carol...@radcom.com | www.radcom.com -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 21:57 To: Caroline Tabach; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Fundamentally, unstructured FrameMaker has changed very little. I've opened FM6 in recent versions and had zero problems. New features have been added but old things all work pretty much the same. FM8 switched to Unicode. Anything using the old Zapf Dingbats that was bundled with FM will need to be redone. Any other symbol or dingbat font may need cleanup. FM9 introduced a new UI layered on the old one (when you drill down, you may still see dialogs unchanged from FM5), which broke a lot of keyboard shortcuts, many of which they never fixed. If you're used to driving everything from the keyboard and never touching the mouse, you'll probably hate it and have a bad month or two getting used to constantly using the mouse. FM12 added the core features from RoboHelp (look for multi-channel publishing in the docs), so you probably won't need to upgrade ePublisher or buy RoboHelp. On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com wrote: At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
upgrade to from FM7.x to FM12 $800upgrade from FM 7.x to Technical Communications Suite $1200 For the extra $400 you get full Acrobat XI and not just the headless distiller FrameMaker uses when you buy it alone. That's worth $400 to me.Besides that you get RoboHelp 11, Captivate 8, and Presenter 10 as well and can play around with the Help options offered by RoboHelp. Opening older FM files does not require MIF save. Just open them and resave. I do it all the time with FM5.0 files and up. Copy your older files to new directories so that you still have them in case you think something went amiss. The UNICODE stuff is only a problem when backsaving to versions before 8 or 7.2 which I don't recommend. As someone else said, the retooling of ZapfDingbats (in bullets, etc.) and Symbol font usage is perhaps the biggest issue. Usually you can pick a glyph from you normal font(s) to replace these special use fonts since the modern versions of the fonts have many more glyphs. If you have the Symbol font, you don't have to replace Symbols with the simpler same font glyph unless you want to. Good luck, Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
It's been so long since I have been using Frame 7.2 that it's hard to comment about a learning curve. Certainly, some of the basic stuff hasn't changed much (sigh) but there have been a lot of interface changes and some usability improvements. I think you will have to convert to MIF. You may want to get a copy of MIF2GO, which is now open source and free. That will speed up the process. I'd stick with WebWorks. It's fast and stable and you're familiar with the workflow. You have some template rebuilding to do, but it would be easier than trying to learn RoboHelp. (The publishing features in Frame 12 are fairly basic and you will need RoboHelp to do any serious customization). Regards Keith -- Keith Soltys Senior Technical Writer Architecture TMX Group (416) 947-4397 http://www.tmx.com/ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Hi, At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? thanks -- -- Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer e-mail: carol...@radcom.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as keith.sol...@tmx.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/keith.soltys%40tmx.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
You can now create all those from FM12 directly; however, the learning curve will be a bit of a shock - the UI changed completely starting in FM9. I think at 7.2 you're over the Unicode barrier already so fonts may or may not be an issue. Some finer control over the publishing (generating) of help outputs can be done using the Tech Comm Suite (which includes RH, FM, Acrobat Pro Captivate), but may not be necessary in your case. Personally, I'd download a trial copy of TCS5 and try it out on a non-production machine with copies of your FM7.2 content play around with it for the 30 days of the trial. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: May-12-15 5:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Hi, At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? thanks -- -- Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer e-mail: carol...@radcom.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
Hi Caroline, I recently did this same upgrade (going from FM 7 to FM12). The learning curve was not bad. Mostly, it's getting used to a totally new (and way better, in my opinion) user interface. I recommend taking the FrameMaker 10 essentials course that is in Lynda.com. Adobe changed the UI at ver. 10, so virtually everything that is in that class applies to FM12. File conversion, so far, has been pretty clean. I've had only minor problems, I have a set of templates that I use for various parts of our manuals (Title pages, TOC, Preface, Chapter files, and Appendices. Each of these templates has a number of paragraph and character formats that are unique to them. Once I was up to speed on FM12 (about a week, I think), I converted the FM7 templates to FM12 (start by opening the files in FM12 and allowing FM12 to make them FM12 docs). Then, I went through my paragraph and character format catalogs and modified the tags, as necessary. From this point on, when I open a manual that was created in FM7, I first open the book file, then open each doc in the book file, save it (as FM12), then close it. Then I open my templates and import the formats (usually just paragraph and character) as appropriate. I then save the book (as FM12) and I'm ready to work! I have some manuals that are 600+ pages and the whole process for them took maybe an hour or less. Good luck! Tom Beiswenger Manager, Technical Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc. 1140 Sullivan St. Elmira, NY 14901 PH: +607 735-4279 FX: +607 734-8278 Mobile: +607 769-4779 Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com From: Caroline Tabach carol...@radcom.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: 05/12/2015 05:58 AM Subject:Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Hi, At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? thanks -- -- Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer e-mail: carol...@radcom.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tom.beiswenger%40emhartglass.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version
That's exactly how I did it (full jump from FM7 to 12). I also took the FM essentials course in Lynda.com, which covered all of the new stuff with the UI. Tom Beiswenger Manager, Technical Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc. 1140 Sullivan St. Elmira, NY 14901 PH: +607 735-4279 FX: +607 734-8278 Mobile: +607 769-4779 Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: 05/12/2015 09:00 AM Subject:RE: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com You can now create all those from FM12 directly; however, the learning curve will be a bit of a shock - the UI changed completely starting in FM9. I think at 7.2 you're over the Unicode barrier already so fonts may or may not be an issue. Some finer control over the publishing (generating) of help outputs can be done using the Tech Comm Suite (which includes RH, FM, Acrobat Pro Captivate), but may not be necessary in your case. Personally, I'd download a trial copy of TCS5 and try it out on a non-production machine with copies of your FM7.2 content play around with it for the 30 days of the trial. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [ mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: May-12-15 5:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Help Creation Flow and Upgrading from version 7.2 to the latest version Hi, At the moment we are using FrameMaker 7.2 and ePublisher Pro version 9.2 to create PDF files, and a collections of help files which are mostly html, with 2 or 3 .chm files The applications mostly run on Internet Explorer (and the .chm files are for the 2 that are not over IE). I would like to upgrade our applications as they do not really run on my current operating system and because I want to also produce more modern output. I need to make PDF, ePub, Responsive html and .chm. What do you all recommend? Is FrameMaker 12 enough to use stand alone? Do I need ePublisher Pro or RoboHelp? How would I go about importing my Frame 7.2 files into Frame 12. Does it support them or would I need to save as MIF and then open the MIF files. I have quite a lot of user guides. To what extent will FrameMaker let me change the design? What is the learning curve from 7.2 to 12? thanks -- -- Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer e-mail: carol...@radcom.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tom.beiswenger%40emhartglass.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
