Rebecca,
What you have described is the same behavior that occurs when you leave the
remove overrides box unchecked. The standard paragraphs change according to the
new definition and the overridden paragraphs remain as they were, overrides of
the standard. Nowadays there always seems to be at least a couple of ways to
accomplish the same thing in these sorts of software packages. You get to pick
the implementation method you choose, but the underlying conceptual foundation
needs to be understood in order to pick the one you really want.
Where things get dicey is where large blocks of text have been cut and pasted
into a document where the names of formats are the same, but the definition of
the tag is different. At that point everything is flagged as an override, both
the original standard paragraphs and the particular overrides that were chosen
for special cases. The only way to get anything predictable at that point is to
blow away ALL the overrides (i.e. make everything adhere to the various format
definitions) and then override as necessary for the few special cases. (Since
you're coming into a new environment where any number of things might be
different, including page size, it is unlikely that the overrides would makes
sense anyway, except by chance.) And, if there are more than a few overrides,
you should probably be defining some new formats to use for those cases.
I handled FM documents for a medical device manufacturer when I worked in
translation where every paragraph was an override, apparently because some
writer pasted text in from another source and didn't understand that overrides
need to be the exception in FM documents. Once this happens everybody seemed to
be afraid to fix this by deciding how they actually want to see the paragraph
for fear that standardizing things would change something that the FDA would
be troubled by, forcing a review of the entire document for re-proofing. This
is the insidious way that a writer who doesn't know the tool can create a lot
of extra work in the maintenance of a document. I call it the PageMaker mindset
where things are just plopped down and all the document consistency
aspects/tools/safeguards of FM are ignored.
Craig
On 10/2/2014 6:07 PM, Rebecca Officer wrote:
Hi Craig and Theresa
I didn’t realise the “remove overrides” only removed the overrides for
the selected format types. That’s good to know, thanks.
But you can update formats in a document without removing overrides. For
your example, suppose my section headings start at the top of a page,
but in a few cases I’ve overridden that to make a heading start
“anywhere”. If I import a new font setting without removing overrides,
FM changes the font from Times to Garamond, while preserving my start
position overrides. I like that!
On the other hand, if I’d overridden the font setting on a paragraph,
and I import a format with a new font, then that paragraph’s font won’t
change – FM’ll preserve my override.
Theresa, did your target paragraph have an override on the exact setting
you were trying to change? Or did it have an override on some other
paragraph setting?
For me, FM12.0.3 seems to be behaving the way I expect, which is nice.
Cheers
Rebecca
*From:*Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, 2 October 2014 6:25 a.m.
*To:* Rebecca Officer
*Subject:* RE: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style - MY
ERROR
Rebecca,
The overrides in affected apply only to the format types you've checked
above. If you don't want them removed you don't check the box for that
format type.
If that were not the case, how would you apply new formats to a
document? Say you want to change a document to be 9 x 6 format from
letter portrait and all fonts from Times to Garamond. The beauty of FM
is that you can (with a well designed new template) put all that in
place with minimal fix-up after the fact.
Craig
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Subject: RE: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style - MY
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 01:55:22 +
But that checkbox shouldn't be necessary! You should be able to update a
paragraph tag's settings without removing all overrides from the document.
Cheers
Rebecca
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