Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't buy that at all. DITA has major costs that are not offset unless you have substantial opportunities for reuse and publish in multiple languages. There's no rational reason to spend money on low-value upgrades. Do a cost-benefit analysis and know what you're paying for. At one old job we

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor/features.html On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Bernard Gagne bernyga...@rogers.com wrote: That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author (which

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe also says it does not support DocBook: http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/framemakerxmlauthor/faq.html (see What is the difference ...) On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-27 Thread Bernard Gagne
That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML Author (which should more appropriately be called FrameMaker DITA Author) is useless. Oxygen and XMetal have nothing to fear. Berny Gagne Senior Technical Writer Siemens Canada On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:28:02 AM,

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:28 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: The unhappy ones are probably the small users - like myself - who helped FrameMaker become what it is and Adobe *clearly* does not care about us anymore. That is unlike the founders of Frame Technology who I met many years

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
My guess is Adobe's goal in creating FrameMaker XML Author and pricing it at $400 is to eliminate the cost savings incentive for structured FrameMaker users to switch to Oxygen or XMetal instead of adding more FM seats. Also, at $400, I doubt if FrameMaker XML Author is going to be able to

Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 07:49 -0800 22/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Financial success by large companies is not the only measure of success that matters. It is why in my 35+ years of work, I have chosen to do many small startups and try to only work for small companies. My current startup

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Rick Quatro
Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as successful as it is. In my

RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-22 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Rick Quatro said: Excellent point by Syed. Another point that is easy to miss in this discussion: If all of Adobe's products had the level of quality control that FrameMaker has (long-standing and new bugs, outdated and incomplete documentation, etc.), Adobe certainly wouldn't be as