RE: Structured Frame Reference Guides
Hi Tim: I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element? As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don't remember the reason. Maybe someone else can help me out here. I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, you'll be fine. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov file:///\\www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured Frame Reference Guides
Fei Min is correct. I've found that the Structure Development Guide that is in the Online Manuals folder in FrameMaker 7 is invaluable. Paragraph styles will always have a paragraph break in them. Text range (which will translate to a Character style) doesn't require a para break. Scott On May 11, 2011, at 8:25, Fei Min Lorente feimin.lore...@onsemi.com wrote: Hi Tim: I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element? As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don’t remember the reason. Maybe someone else can help me out here. I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, you’ll be fine. Fei Min Lorente From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured Frame Reference Guides
It appears Scriptorium has some workbooks - states All workbooks are compatible with versions 7 and 8 of FrameMaker. http://www.scriptorium.com/books/framemaker-workbooks/ http://www.scriptorium.com/books/framemaker-workbooks/Bobbi On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) tim.bjokne.contrac...@usap.gov wrote: I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim * _ * *Tim Bjokne* * Raytheon Technical Services Company* Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: *www.usap.gov* *Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember.* *Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb* * _ * ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rahennes...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rahennessey%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Roberta Hennessey Technical Writer (978) 835-4282 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Structured Frame Reference Guides
Hi Tim, Can't help you with any books, but there are two possible solutions for problem, depending on the situation or type of elements (inline or container) (Note: using the EDD element names in bold below) 1. Use ParagraphFormatting/PropertiesPagination/Placement/RunInHead. You have to also specify the DefaultPunctuation, which can be set to a space 2. Use TextRangeFormatting instead of ParagraphFormatting. This is normally done for inline elements, but you could force a container element to become inline this way. HTH! Best regards, Herbert Leusink | Consultant | SDL | Structured Content Technologies Division | (t) +31 (0)88-735 46 02 | (m) +31 (0)6 11887708 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) Sent: maandag 9 mei 2011 17:33 To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov file:///\\www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured Frame Reference Guides
On the scriptorium web page, there is a tutorial about Building EDDs. http://wiki.scriptorium.com/tiki-index.php FM201 Structured FrameMaker/Introduction to Authoring FM202 Structured FrameMaker/Building EDDs FM203 Structured FrameMaker/Structured Applications --- On Mon, 5/9/11, Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) tim.bjokne.contrac...@usap.gov wrote: From: Bjokne, Tim (Contractor) tim.bjokne.contrac...@usap.gov Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 8:33 AM I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8. Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book somewhere that I can purchase? Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Any help with either question would be much appreciated. Tim _ Tim Bjokne Raytheon Technical Services Company Senior Technical Editor/Writer Polar Services Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way Direct: 720.568.2036 Centennial, CO 80112 Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036 Main Line: 303.790.8606 Fax: 303.792.9006 USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov Tell me, and I'll forget. Show me, and I may not remember. Involve me, and I'll understand. -Native American Proverb _ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as cha...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/chanbr%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Structured Frame Reference Guides
Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way to turn that off from within the EDD. Tim, Inside the text formatting rules you would make the element a text range. You'll see the exact element name in the Element Catalog. - Michael ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
